Conditional Irene Belserion vs Jellal, Laxus and Gildarts

[WoWfan]

They would be relatively around the same level form their initial interaction with one another with how they faced off with one another, Irene struggled because of Wendy being an Enchanter herself and using DS magic to stagger her as well, which Irene still won in the end regardless, and she managed to even push Acno back even and even dodge his attacks too. Erza and Laxus are roughly the same level of strength with Laxus being slightly stronger, but not enough to put down Irene where he even struggled for a bit against base Wahl for a while.

 

[grey matter]

They would be relatively around the same level form their initial interaction with one another with how they faced off with one another, Irene struggled because of Wendy being an Enchanter herself and using DS magic to stagger her as well, which Irene still won in the end regardless, and she managed to even push Acno back even and even dodge his attacks too. Erza and Laxus are roughly the same level of strength with Laxus being slightly stronger, but not enough to put down Irene where he even struggled for a bit against base Wahl for a while.

Just because two characters are portrayed to be around similar level, they'll face same difficulty in facing the same opponents? Ridiculous logic.

Eileen struggled against Erza, while August didn't against Jellal and Gildarts specifically because of the way August's magic works.
"But Wendy helped" yea, in round 1. In round 2, when Wendy was out cold, Erza still held her own against human Eileen. So no, you're wrong. Human Eileen hasn't shown any impressive physical combat skills, she's more of a ranged caster type.

"Being around same level" overall means little, when how the powers themselves work makes a lot of difference.

Neinhart had a far easier time dealing with Erza than even Eileen, because he just outnumbered Erza with his summons, and Erza lacks AOE to deal with numbers. Dimaria, for example, can one shot Erza if she has enough MP to use timestop on Erza. While Wahl would likely lose high diff against Erza.
Neinhart, Dimaria and Wahl are portrayed to be on the same level overall. Yet, one low-mid diff'd her. One will one shot her. While the other will lose. See the difference?

"Eileen pushed back Acno"
Yeah, and? Pushing back jobbing non serious Acno is supposed to impress me? Jellal upstaged those feats by the way.

Also, Laxus was stronger than Erza by a decent margin in x792. The gap only closed by x793.
Human Eileen was on x792 Erza tier in all stats except magic power. x792 Laxus will give human Eileen a serious run for her money.

 

[WoWfan]

Irene only really struggled because Wendy was there, she underestimated her skill in enchantment, it would basically be the same thing in August Fight without Wendy there. Wendy was not out Cold for all of it which Wendy gave her DS magic to wound Irene which did no take her down, and it was pretty one sided without her aid as Erza did not even get a single cut in until that one DS slash at the end, the other Spriggans are strong too since they could give even top tier FT members a run for their money, Irene and August only committed suicide due to personal circumstances, but would still be considered a win for them. Walk would just counter her with weaknesses and adapt to her attacks too, he only lost because he did not consider Red Lightning until it was too late, if his Proxy was the one to fight Laxus and defeated in the same way, the fight would have gone down differently. Acno was pretty fired up with Irene as he got excited And surprised. Jellal pretty much did the same thing but less. Irene was above Erza by a wide margin, even Laxus struggled against Wahl, it is known by how Erza was basically schooled by Irene in almost every area without support from Wendy.

 

[Axiomus]

Irene struggled because Erza could smash deus sema and cut down her dragon form. Wendy only contributed by enchanting dragon slaying magic onto Erza's sword. Other than that, all Wendy really did was use barriers to block Irene's explosions. Jellal's barriers are better than Wendy's barriers. They can block attacks from Acno, so they're more than sufficient in blocking Irene's explosions.

Unless you think that Jellal, Laxus, and Gildarts combined can't hit as hard as Erza, they can simply break deus sema together. They don't need Wendy to enchant dragon slaying magic onto anyone, because Laxus is already an Erza-tier dragon slayer.

 

[LaGOAT]

Lol I love when ppl say Irene was holding back lol when she summon a damn meteor to try to kill erza stop the . If erza can do it the other 3 can do the same. Irene is getting blitzed by Gildartz laxus will end her in her dragon form and jellal will just sema to end the job

 

[Tirl]

Human Eileen was struggling against Erza + Wendy

It is called plot. Context is too hard, is it?

We all (I think) have seen that Irene can control Erza's magic and make her useless, we also seen that she can smash her like nothing. We literally know that Irene = August >>>>> spriggans > Erza. Erza lost her fight with Ajeel even with wind and water swords like it was insane difficulty to her to stand against him. And you are telling that Erza can beat Irene in a fair fight where Irene can just throw all Erza'a attack back to her or just blow all her armor and weapons? She controls magic. She controls physical things. Erza has better chance against even August than Irene. Not like she could win in any of them, but still. Please stop arguing about plot being a real thing. That fight was utterly bs much more than Zeref vs Natsu.

I don't know if Irene can beat all three of them or not, but can she nodiff Erza? Yes.

PS. Small part of Irene magic >>>>> Dragon Nebal >> regular DE <=> Erza 793

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Wendy: Irene's magic superior to her and she can disenchant her spell, which Wendy herself proved while being in Irene's body.
People: Irene was struggling against Wendy bc she is too strong.
FP

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

We all (I think) have seen that Irene can control Erza's magic and make her useless, we also seen that she can smash her like nothing. We literally know that Irene = August >>>>> spriggans > Erza.

Irene can't control anyone's magic. That's Faris White Out spell. Removing someone's magic is not the same as controlling it.

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It is called plot. Context is too hard, is it?

The plot is nothing but a cheap argument just like POF. To Mashima POF moments are nothing but what he thinks is cool.

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Erza lost her fight with Ajeel even with wind and water swords like it was insane difficulty to her to stand against him.

Ajeel immediately resorted to the sand world after he got cut by Erza which gives him an advantage over someone like Erza.

 

[Tirl]

Irene can't control anyone's magic

Spoiler

Plot is nothing but a cheap argument

That is why you all use it to argue that Irene beat Erza? xd

advantage over someone like Erza

What is special in Erza, that it gives advantage over her especially? She still has elemental magic like wind, fire etc. Ajeel is just too strong and too hax for her to beat. The same goes to many of spriggans.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Spoiler

What? This shows Irene control other people's magic? She just destroyed her swords that's all. Faris can control other people's magic because she can render it to zero and zero to the max.

That is why you all use it to argue that Erza beat Irene? xd

Don't remember saying Erza beat Irene but I don't wank Irene like you do with things she hasn't or her limits.

What is special in Erza, that it gives advantage over her especially? She still has elemental magic like wind, fire etc. Ajeel is just too strong and too hax for her to beat. The same goes to many of spriggans.

Ajeel has intangibility. He literally calls that Swords are useless against him. Erza's strongest form is flame pants armor which is useless against Ajeel. The rest of her armors are fodder they break every time. Laxus literally one-shotted an anti lightning armor with a punch. Once she brought out wind and water armor. Ajeel got cut and quickly restored the sand world which gives an advantage over Erza. He can hide Sand world and attack him. Erza is not someone who does big AOE attacks.

 

[grey matter]

It is called plot. Context is too hard, is it?

You use plot as an argument and say it's context?

An utter failure in using my own argument against me lmfao.

Take your L and GTFOH

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Lol I love when ppl say Irene was holding back lol when she summon a damn meteor to try to kill erza stop the . If erza can do it the other 3 can do the same. Irene is getting blitzed by Gildartz laxus will end her in her dragon form and jellal will just sema to end the job

Eileen wankers on massive copium overdose

 

[Vex_Haid]

Lol I love when ppl say Irene was holding back lol when she summon a damn meteor to try to kill erza stop the . If erza can do it the other 3 can do the same. Irene is getting blitzed by Gildartz laxus will end her in her dragon form and jellal will just sema to end the job

LOL by that scaling erza is above those 3. honestly she should be since she held her own against irene even if irene was holding back alot she still was holding back probably as much as august and gildarts still could not do jack against august and irene>=august

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everyones best claims for irene losing: ErZa BeAt HeR

Ok by that logic erza>gildarts,laxus and jellal cause it should be pretty fucking obvious that irene can finger flick the trio
irene slaughters no debate

 

[Phaizzy]

Irene demolishes. Sorry
Gildarts is the only factor here.

jellal and laxus are the same level and considering they both fought people way weaker than her and barely win shows.

gildarts also couldn’t even beat the son of mavis… his counterpart would be her. Mind you.. both august and Irene didn’t defeated but more so off themselves. Irene one shots laxus and jellal and make light work of gildarts

 

[WoWfan]

^right Irene hardly struggles, she was just angry, she really struggles when Wendy uses Irene’s own powers against her, Erza with DS was last minute and caught Irene off guard, and that was still not enough to take her down. Laxus would simply no different in that regard with his tier and fight against other Spriggans

 

[Jean Grey]

Ok by that logic erza>gildarts,laxus and jellal cause it should be pretty fucking obvious that irene can finger flick the trio
irene slaughters no debate

she beats them with a finger flick???

 

[Seven777]

Lol, the Eileen wank. At this point, given how powerful Suzaku is and the likelihood that FT is gonna beat Diablous, we might be looking at everyone here soloing her .

 

[grey matter]

she beats them with a finger flick???

He's probably exaggerating.

But then again it's coming from the legendary Vex_Haid. So, maybe not

 

[sharkai]

Irene should take this. And easily so
Because
Jellal and gildarts magic won't work on her. She can ignore them.
Laxus is the only one who can hurt her. Though most likely only mildly. Either how Laxus strongest move is reiko and it was pretty much stalemateed by erza blumblatt. Human irene can handle that casually. It should be a piece of cake for dragon irene. So all irene has to do is keep an eye on laxus moves. Every single one she can counter. And ignore jellal and gildarts. Jellal might be able to push her, but that is it.
Gildarts can't do anything. If he gets near irene, his hits could also push irene but irene backlash could one shot gildarts so very risky for no real reward.

So dragon irene should take it. Mid diff most likely because the boys can't hurt her

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Human Eileen is Erza tier in physical stats by feats, superior maybe, but in the same tier.

How is human Eileen in same tier as erza

 

[Phaizzy]

Lol, the Eileen wank. At this point, given how powerful Suzaku is and the likelihood that FT is gonna beat Diablous, we might be looking at everyone here soloing her .

It’s not a wank I can promise you that much.
1.) the power scaling in ft is VERY bad..
2.) still to this moment… spriggan 12 is STILL hax. The only person who recently has been seen as hax is Ignia seeing as his fire can burn things that can’t be burned. But the rest aren’t. Suzuka maybe strong but at the end of the day he’s not beating Irene and tbvh neither is the moon god dragon. Nothing they have shown outdo what we seen from Irene… I mean literally she rearranged a whole continent .., she created two entities from a slither of her power alone.

august and Irene is mad hax and tbvh if Irene and August teamed up.. this quest that natsu and co is doing currently would be light work.

 

[WoWfan]

Power Scaling is rather fine, for the Spriggans, they have more than just hax as they have strength as well.

 

[grey matter]

How is human Eileen in same tier as erza

Because of that fact that Eileen struggled against Erza + Wendy. And then Erza held her own against human Eileen after Wendy was down.

august and Irene is mad hax and tbvh if Irene and August teamed up.. this quest that natsu and co is doing currently would be light work.

Any DG no diffs all Spriggans combined