Fantasy Irene vs Gildarts

[sharkai]

Gildarts stomps her human form but he gets owned badly against her dragon form.

If gildarts stomps human irene does it means he beat erza with a flick of his pinky finger

 

[Nemispelled]

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They most certainly could, at least more so than normal mages.

Against Cobra:

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Dragon grunts "ugh" implying he felt it.

Mira, a normal mage, uppercuts Zilconis and it feels nothing.

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Compared to when Wendy uses sky dragon roar he clearly feels it, which is abundantly clear from his facial expression.

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Natsu punches Motherglare who proceeds to scream "Aaah"

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So yes, DS magic is what bypasses their durability.



Erza was performing better against Irene even after Wendy went down than how she performed against Ajeel. My point still stands. So if we're using your argument then I guess Ajeel can beat Irene and since Elfman and Lisanna beat Ajeel they can beat Irene as well, right? Like I said, logic doesn't apply to Erza. Her cutting down that meteor in no way means Gildarts can.





I'm most certainly not. All I've done is state what she's done, which is break every bone in Erzas's body with a single swipe and call down a meteor from outer space. Gildarts has destroyed a cathedral and blocked a random magcial attack from August. Absolutely nothing about either of those feats warrants placing him above Irene let alone "far" above her like you're claiming.



Not really. I've already pointed out the flaw in that argument. And he doesn't have DS magic, so he's never getting past her durability.

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Exactly. Irene's enchantment abilities allow her to call a meteor from space rather than create one like Jellal's.

I never doubt that DS magic is more effective on dragons... that's the definition of that magic. Just like how Devil Slaying Magic is effective on demons.

But my point is that the statement of "DS magic being required to bypass a dragon's durability" is flawed. Dragons naturally have high durability, but that doesn't mean a non-DS powerful mage can't beat it.

Erza needs DS magic because her raw power alone isn't enough to damage a dragon. Gildartz on the other hand, is far more powerful than Erza is. For somebody like him, he wouldn't need DS magic to defeat a GMG-tiered dragon.


And actually, Erza still needed Wendy to enhance her while she fought Human Irene. Don't tell me that Erza could solo Irene just fine... it was obvious that Human Irene could only have been defeated if Wendy was present with Erza.


My point still stands. Dragon Irene's strongest spell feat-wise is Deus Sema.

If Erza could destroy it, Gildartz should have no problem doing so either.

And at full-power, Gildartz has more than enough strength and magical power to break whatever scales Irene has on her body. Gildartz's strongest attack has >>>>> damage than Erza's DS-enchanted Sword

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@Nemispelled

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Nemi now i agree with most of your points.But... Human Irene VS Gildarts (Gildarts win)

Dragon Irene VS Gildarts(Dragon Irene wins simply because of the fact Irene is a Dragon and Gildarts don't have DS Magic.

I guess we're going to have to disagree then.

I have to admit, there was a time when dragons seemed almost invincible compared to humans. And tiers like Igneel and Acnologia still are drastically superior...

But GMG-tiered dragons? Like Zirconis and Atlas Flame?

I have almost no doubt that the strongest human wizard (August or Gildartz Tier), should have no problem taking a single one of those dragons down.

 

[Arjuna]

I never doubt that DS magic is more effective on dragons... that's the definition of that magic. Just like how Devil Slaying Magic is effective on demons.

But my point is that the statement of "DS magic being required to bypass a dragon's durability" is flawed. Dragons naturally have high durability, but that doesn't mean a non-DS powerful mage can't beat it.

Erza needs DS magic because her raw power alone isn't enough to damage a dragon. Gildartz on the other hand, is far more powerful than Erza is. For somebody like him, he wouldn't need DS magic to defeat a GMG-tiered dragon.


And actually, Erza still needed Wendy to enhance her while she fought Human Irene. Don't tell me that Erza could solo Irene just fine... it was obvious that Human Irene could only have been defeated if Wendy was present with Erza.


My point still stands. Dragon Irene's strongest spell feat-wise is Deus Sema.

If Erza could destroy it, Gildartz should have no problem doing so either.

And at full-power, Gildartz has more than enough strength and magical power to break whatever scales Irene has on her body. Gildartz's strongest attack has >>>>> damage than Erza's DS-enchanted Sword

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I guess we're going to have to disagree then.

There was a time when dragons seemed almost invincible compared to a human. And tiers like Igneel and Acnologia still are drastically superior...

But GMG-tiered dragons? Like Zirconis and Atlas Flame?

I have almost no doubt that the strongest human wizard (August or Gildartz Tier), should have no problem taking a single one of those dragons down.

No Nemi he can't.

No magic can penetrate the skin of a Dragon other than DS Magic.So even if Gildarts is 50x stronger than Erza he can't defeat a Dragon without using DS Magic.

Remember in the past Dragons ruled the whole world until the Dragon Slayers came.No human mages could stand against them.We have Belserion and Zirconis confirming it.

 

[Seven777]

No Nemi he can't.

No magic can penetrate the skin of a Dragon other than DS Magic.So even if Gildarts is 50x stronger than Erza he can't defeat a Dragon without using DS Magic.

Remember in the past Dragons ruled the whole world until the Dragon Slayers came.No human mages could stand against them.We have Belserion and Zirconis confirming it.

Zeref doesnt know DS magic, but with enough power backing him he still has a chance against Acno.

If you're strong enough you can do anything, kill an immortal or slay a dragon, as long as you've got the power its doable

 

[Arjuna]

Zeref doesnt know DS magic, but with enough power backing him he still has a chance against Acno.

If you're strong enough you can do anything, kill an immortal or slay a dragon, as long as you've got the power its doable

Zeref can't do that as of now.So he needs FH-an unlimited source of magic power.Even then it's a gamble no outright guarantee-as mentioned by August and Irene.

And killing an immortal with immense power IGNatsu had the power of dead.Only raw power can't kill an immortal.

If defeating Dragons with only raw power was possible then humans would not have feared the Dragons in the past and there would not have been any need of Dragon Slayers.

 

[Seven777]

Zeref can't do that as of now.So he needs FH-an unlimited source of magic power.Even then it's a gamble no outright guarantee-as mentioned by August and Irene.

And killing an immortal with immense power IGNatsu had the power of dead.Only raw power can't kill an immortal.

Yes, but its still without DS magic, meaning power>dragons scales, even scales belonging to the strongest dragon by far. Besides, Larcade's magic works too.

Never bought into that "power of the dead" stuff, seemed like Zeref was just being poetic, not literal. Natsu thought he could kill the immortal Zeref long before any power of the dead was mentioned. END also can kill Zeref. Zeref also acknowledged the possibility of Mavis killing him with Fairy Heart were she willing to use it.

 

[Arjuna]

Yes, but its still without DS magic, meaning power>dragons scales, even scales belonging to the strongest dragon by far. Besides, Larcade's magic works too.

Never bought into that "power of the dead" stuff, seemed like Zeref was just being poetic, not literal. Natsu thought he could kill the immortal Zeref long before any power of the dead was mentioned. END also can kill Zeref. Zeref also acknowledged the possibility of Mavis killing him with Fairy Heart were she willing to use it.

There is a difference there.

Zeref needs unlimited magic and as far as i remember Gildarts don't have unlimited magic.And Irene did mention to Acnologia that it is a "possibilty" that Zeref can defeat Acnologia-no 100 % confirmation.

I doubt there was not a single mage like Gildarts 400 years ago.Considering all powerhouses today are from 400 years ago.But even then they couldn't defeat a Dragon without Dragon Slayers.It has been mentioned since the start of the series that you can't defeat a Dragon without DS Magic.And Larcade's ability is hax-no raw power.Even then Zeref still needs FH.

To kill an immortal you need to bypass his immortality.Zeref did say even if he is beheaded he will not die.

 

[Seven777]

There is a difference there.

Zeref needs unlimited magic and as far as i remember Gildarts don't have unlimited magic.And Irene did mention to Acnologia that it is a "possibilty" that Zeref can defeat Acnologia-no 100 % confirmation.

I doubt there was not a single mage like Gildarts 400 years ago.Considering all powerhouses today are from 400 years ago.But even then they couldn't defeat a Dragon without Dragon Slayers.It has been mentioned since the start of the series that you can't defeat a Dragon without DS Magic.And Larcade's ability is hax-no raw power.Even then Zeref needs FH.

To kill an immortal you need to bypass his immortality.Zeref did say even if he is beheaded he will not die.

True, but Gildarts also isnt trying to defeat the absolute strongest character in the universe.
Its also true that its not 100% confirmed that Zeref would win. However as i see it Zeref is 100% confirmed to be able to damage Acno, to the point where winning is a possibility, which still means power overcomes dragon scales, even if he doesnt take the win.

Do you think Eileen is stronger than Zeref and could beat him?

Maybe there were mages like Gildarts, but its highly unlikely that many of them belonged to one nation, in fact most nations would probably be like Bosco, or one of the nations Brandish "broke" alone, with only fodders located there. Besides, back then for every 1 Gildarts tier character there'd be 100 Dragons of that level or above. Humans wouldnt have a chance considering even civilian dragons are probably top tier fighters. 1 powerful wizard killing 1 average dragons would be pretty much meaningless in a time where dragons ruled the world.

Sure, and what im saying is that power can bypass/overcome immortality, beheading would be easier to come back from than being turned to ash, or a pile of bubbly goo.

 

[Nemispelled]

There is a difference there.

Zeref needs unlimited magic and as far as i remember Gildarts don't have unlimited magic.And Irene did mention to Acnologia that it is a "possibilty" that Zeref can defeat Acnologia-no 100 % confirmation.

I doubt there was not a single mage like Gildarts 400 years ago.Considering all powerhouses today are from 400 years ago.But even then they couldn't defeat a Dragon without Dragon Slayers.It has been mentioned since the start of the series that you can't defeat a Dragon without DS Magic.And Larcade's ability is hax-no raw power.Even then Zeref still needs FH.

To kill an immortal you need to bypass his immortality.Zeref did say even if he is beheaded he will not die.

It was only said that Zeref needs unlimited magic to defeat Acnologia. I don't recall the manga ever stating that Zeref needs unlimited magic to beat any regular old dragon.

Acnologia is at the top of the Dragon tier, so it's no surprise that he is nearly invincible to anybody without unlimited magic. Same with Igneel. But Zirconis, Atlas Flame, and the Rock Dragon dude are nowhere near the former two.


Dragons are naturally tougher to beat because of their size:

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As you can see, Erza's whole body is not even the size of a Dragon's palm. It's no wonder why humans would lose a war against dragons.

Sure, their scales add a lot of durability, but it's not unbreakable:

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This is the best example I can give you because Mashima avoids Dragon vs. Human fights.

But the point still stands. A dragon's scale can still be broken. It doesn't deflect everything. Given enough magical power, even a sword can stab through it.

Gildartz's crash magic is known for its destructive capacity, so combined with his strength and magic power, even a GMG-dragon would eventually fall.

 

[Demon Hunter]

@Nemispelled while I do agree that Gildarts wins against Human Irene, I think we should wait to see his full fight against August. if he pushes him to high diff or even win then I can see Gildarts beating Dragon Irene.

 

[Jko]

You need DS to break through Dragon scales. Stop comparing Zeref who's trying to gain FH to maybe beat Acno. Zeref far surpasses Gildarts and Zeref isn't regarded as human anymore, he is an immortal so the comparison is null. Human Irene is just a physique so all that blood and bruises were fake as seen when she enter Dragon form.

Gildarts hasn't beaten August and he has never shown once to hurt a fodder Dragon let alone a higher-up Dragon. He needs DS to hope to beat Irene w/o it he can't hurt her.

 

[**Silver**]

what people is comparing Irene to Acnologia??? Human Acnologia can literally one-shot Dragon Irene.... why is August called the strongest spriggan?? if he cant even defeat Irene or is not even par with her????

Irene is not invincible Gildarts breaks Irenes pretty Dragon face...

 

[Jko]

If human Irene is just physique, and the blood and bruises were fake, then when she killed herself it was also fake ? Because it is just a fake ?

She stabbed herself with a DS sword (I was talking about the fight before she went Dragon form), but maybe she's still alive.

 

[Aonori]

Irene might rape if she manages to use Universe One first in the fight, aside from that case, I´d say the result would most likely a tie, with both having similar chances to defeat one another, Gildarts magic would make Irene´s meteors, useless, physical feats wise I´d say Dragon Irene > current Gildarts, but Prime Gildarts > Dragon Irene, because prime Gildarts tanked one Acno hit, that is powerfull enough to one shot a Spriggan tier Dragon Slayer and Ghost Igneel, plus his magic would work very well with his physical feats, unlike Irene.

 

[Takuan]

She stabbed herself with a DS sword (I was talking about the fight before she went Dragon form), but maybe she's still alive.

I think Irene is dead. It hasn't been explicitely stated, but with Erza saying farewell, i'm not expecting her to come back...
Just like i wouldn't want and expect Makarov to come back to life...
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... But eh, in this arc Gajeel came back from the underworld, Mira survived from a laser piercing her heart, Happy received no damage from August, and Juvia survived despite suiciding...
We also had Kagura receiving the same type of wound as Irene, during GMG.
It's entirely possible that she's still alive... Uhh. I want her to stay DEAD.

Anyway... Back to topic.
Gildarts beats Human Irene, that's for sure. Dragon Irene though, that's tricky.
To be honest i think one really needs DS magic in order to bypass a dragon's gigantic durability. Otherwise someone top tier from GMG, like Jura, would have done more damage to a dragon than Zirconis received from Wendy - their difference in power was pretty high.

 

[Ilikeyou]

ut Prime Gildarts > Dragon Irene, because prime Gildarts tanked one Acno hit, that is powerfull enough to one shot a Spriggan tier Dragon

because acno wasnt trying to actually kill him. Acno while playing still destroyed gildart in like half a second. Human Irene actualy had better portrayal against acno than both gildart and God serena.

 

[Aonori]

because acno wasnt trying to actually kill him. Acno while playing still destroyed gildart in like half a second. Human Irene actualy had better portrayal against acno than both gildart and God serena.

Yes, but only because of universe One which is why I say she could easily one shot Gildarts by throwing him to the bottom of the sea, there's no way he can survive there or use his magic to get back up on the surface without getting killed by sheer water pressure or lack of oxygen.

Only thing here is that acno did jackshit while she was casting Universe One, and unless gildarts waited as well he would be safe from it for the most part.

 

[Spirit]

Irene has more votes...
This is why I think hype is taken too much to heart in Shounen like Fairy Tail.
Why would I choose anyone but Gildarts?

 

[Sevently]

Gildarts can beat Irene human form but can't don anything against Dragon form

 

[Laxus chan-yo]

There really should be no debate at this point. Gildarts beats the toss out of human Irene and Dragon Irene beats the toss out of Gildarts. In human form she was disappointing and wasn't even overwhelming the tired Erza/Wendy combo completely. In dragon form Gildarts lacks Dragon Slayer magic.