Discussion Irregulars

[apellon]

what is weird to me is that they came in the tower , but apprently not on their own choice but by the will of FUG ...

it feels a little concerning that the FUG could extend their power to the outside world , in so much a fact that they are able to bring 2 irregulars in the tower ???

 

[TheMoa]

they didn't come by the will of the FUG.
Headon can be working for the FUG, but he wasn't the one to pick Baam, he was there to welcome him

 

[Mr. Arashi]

I wonder why Irregulars who entered with Zahard are bound to make a contract like if they were regulars. I recall that while Zahard is inside the tower, they cannot kill him.

 

[Dacomp89]

Accepting Headon's offer to enter the Tower binds you in some sort of contract with him. Irregulars are not bound to that specific contract, but are still free to make other sorts of contracts with any guardian as they please.

Edit: Oh, I misunderstood. I don't know why you think that the irregulars who entered with Zahard, the 10 Family Heads, made a contract like if they were regulars. There isn't anything to indicate that they aren't capable of killing Zahard, if they were strong enough.

 

[abc1233]

I wonder why Irregulars who entered with Zahard are bound to make a contract like if they were regulars. I recall that while Zahard is inside the tower, they cannot kill him.

Where was it said that they had to make contracts? Are you referring to Baam making a contract with the 2nd floor guardian?

 

[Mr. Arashi]

I don't remember well where i read it. I will look out for an argument, while...

Spoiler

If him did it, his warriors must did it. He cannot be killed thanks to Guardians' wish, so when a Irregular enters he is actually threatened by the idea of dying.

 

[apellon]

I don't remember well where i read it. I will look out for an argument, while...

Spoiler

If him did it, his warriors must did it. He cannot be killed thanks to Guardians' wish, so when a Irregular enters he is actually threatened by the idea of dying.

- i dont see how this scan page proves the point of the heads not being able to kill the king .
- yes , thats also how i understand it, the main reason why he fears irregulars is not only because they are strong , but also because they are not bound to rules and so can go directly to guardians, wich means they can undo the kings rules/laws and even kill him...
while in contrast regulars arent a bother for him since it makes good soldiers and continue increase his influence since ultimatly they cant really go further than him , in fact the fulfilment of their journey ends with the meeting with the king at the last floor they can reach...

floor 135th is unbeaten yet or at least we think that for now , but i wouldnt be suprise if there is some people that actually cleared it like some irregulars like ureak and phantom could be one some of the people that passed by this floor but we dont know that for certain yet... one thing is for sure, the king wasnt able to clear this yet, and so its a raw lvl , ruled by a guardian.. since regulars dont go directly to guardians , thus its pretty much impossible for them to go further.

 

[0Xellos]

Obviously since the Z&10FH entered the Tower on their own, they're not bound by the "one may not kill Zahard". It only applies to regulars.

However, this leads to a question: how come Zahard can sleep peacefully, given that? Several possiblities arise:
1. They've formed an independent rule through a different mechanism (not as the rules of the Tower), which effectively means the same. However, that one is voluntary, hence all other irregulars pose a threat.
2. It's just a matter of trust. They've been friends with Zahard since long before, and have no interest in killing him whatsoever.
3. The same as 2. People change, though, and at least one of them is planning to overthrow Zahard.

I find 3. the most exciting. Imagine how chaotic the world'd become if there were multiple groups going after Zahard independently!

 

[Mr. Arashi]

Zahard and 9 head families are immortal. By being immortal, you cannot die, but they can kill themselves each other cause are Irregulars. There's a system that makes the families to challenge each other, the princess system... and they aren't going for the kill. Instead we have someone who helped Zahard to climb like any of the families, this one is the only that wants to kill him, but he can't.
One of the head of the families isn't immortal... then you can start thinking that he could be like a Judas in the group or something else. He's allowed to live, that makes it strange if there is a faction to defend Zahard.

Zahard made a contract with all the Guardians in the Tower. If 9 families heads are immortal. Why this people isn't in the same position? would be strange to think that there's no reason for it. Also, why they aren't killing/fighting each other? Another thing that is very weird to me. There's a secret beneath this and Luslec is victim in it i could guess, one of the keys of that secret i think is the relation between a son of a princess like Anak and this red rings with Zahard's crest on them, make them their sons, if i recall correctly.

 

[niblack89]

Pretty much an irregular's so powerful because Good Evening doesn't have to go by the rules and laws of the tower. In the beginning Baam did something he wasn't supposed to do. He created shinsoo without a contract with a guardian's contract which means Baam could use how ever much shinsoo he can hold without consequences. Shinsoo is the basics of everything in the tower anyone that can freely manipulate it becomes a god. That separates a irregular form a regular. Even though Baam's a waveconteoler his mastery of it is extremely proficient.

Also from Baam fast learning seems to be a traits of an irregular. After seeing an attack just once Baam already knows the basics of the attack and can even use it back at you (the attack is much weaker) Quant stated that the attack that freezes, he said that attack took him Adrian's 50-100 years to do but Baam did it in an instant after Quant taught him the basics of it. If this ability is within all Irregulars then it's no wonder they're so powerful they're learning curve is greater than anything in the tower

 

[kkck]

Seeing what siu has written about the tower and irregulars (in the previous page of this thread) it kinda seems like there are two kinds of irregulars which would be characterized by rachel and baam. Baam was chosen by the tower and allowed to enter. Rachel was not chosen by the tower but yet she managed to get in by a loophole even in that rule. She went in in spite of the tower seemingly not allowing her access. So far the process to choose a regular seems to be meant to choose people who are capable of climbing the tower AND also not a threat to it. Lets assume such a process also applies to how the tower chooses people to climb it. As in, it occasionally allows people to enter who are worthy and not a threat to it. What does that make rachel? Under that logic she might be an irregular irregular so to speak which perhaps is why people around her feel weird, even androssi when she first joined her all those chapters back. Rachel is someone who the tower outright denied passage to but she still managed to find a loophole.

 

[shaheer]

Well may be the tower was in the process of taking baam in and she snuck in before him. She ws bascally running while baam following when he nailed her down the light engulfed her if i remember right. Prolly because Baam ws in proximity and her urge to get in the tower some how became the means for her to enter

 

[kkck]

Looking at the information siu has given about the irregulars it seems like there is something weird there. It seems baam is different from them in a way. As far as the story and siu have told the previous irregulars suddenly appeared and caused great commotion within the tower. It kinda seems like the irregulars before were already strong back in the day. In turn with baam and rachel we have the opposite scenario, they started out weak as they can be. Completely ordinary and featureless. Of course baam grew out of that and rachel has had a weird presence to her (I pointed out before how in a way she is an irregular irregular as someone who snick into the tower even though the tower rejected her).

Its remarkably weird that the previous irregulars would just appear and be masters of shinso even though there is no shinso outside the tower. One of them just appeared, killed a guardian and disappeared. Zahard took control of the tower and then... it does not seem like he does much. Urek wants to leave the tower for some reason even though he supposedly opened the door himself. Seeing the somewhat erratic behavior of the irregulars before I would argue that all of them came to the tower with specific objectives in mind. Maybe experiments considering the arbitrary death of a guardian. The issue is them leaving afterward.

 

[shaheer]

Well in all fairness Baam was pretty powerful but only seemed to be weak and timid. People who got to know him at the start were saying he ws a monster. Also he did control shinsoo without contract when he u know used it to attack Hwya ryun in the crown game. Now he is unleashing the monster bit by bit. I for one cant understand rachel either she is like a parasite

 

[kkck]

He was weak, he simply had talent which did not make a shred of sense at all. I mean, he had no durability, no power, some agility but nothing else going on. Its only at his ability to learn fast that people saw more in him. But my point is still that the other irregulars seems to have gotten to the tower as monsters to begin with, not as people with a lot of talent.

 

[Sakashi]

It is stated on the wiki that Phantamium is a "axis" and there are only 5 axis in the whole tower of god series. Siu even said that IF Enryu would go up against a axis..he would lose hard. And he even said that he will not make Phantamium appear a lot because he is too broken.

 

[syx]

It is stated on the wiki that Phantamium is a "axis" and there are only 5 axis in the whole tower of god series. Siu even said that IF Enryu would go up against a axis..he would lose hard. And he even said that he will not make Phantamium appear a lot because he is too broken.

The number of Axis' is unknown. The "five" you are referring to is that Phantaminum is one of the five most powerful Axis in the Talse Uzer Story.

Wiki entry: Axis User

There are many Axes outside the Tower.

Wiki entry: Phantaminum

SIU has stated that he is one of the 5 most powerful Axis in the universe.

 

[VON]

I read somewhere on a very good theory for why Phantanium stormed into Jahad's palace.

The outside world (e.g. outside the tower) might be in a war that includes multiple Axises and Phantanium went around in search for some axis that he could potentially recruit to his side. With that in mind, he went into the tower and found out there is this king, which is Jahad. He went into his castle and killed his way until Jahad showed up, which Phantanium got confirmation that he wasn't an Axis and because of that, left. Enryu wasn't on his search list despite being ranked higher than Jahad because he's probably one of the forces in the axis war outside the tower already.

It was a interesting theory.