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That’s so much better in my opinion. Didn’t really like the twin theory given how Sukuna interacts with him. I feel he would be a bit less dismissive maybe if that was the case.
He noticed it during their fight when he possessed megumu for the first time, by saying « oh it’s that brat from that Time » it was implied that he knew or had a guess about who yuji could be.
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If sukuna ate his twin brother in the womb he could have gain his CT and powers too like yuji did with his half brothers as cursed womb. Fuga may come from it, it could be yuji father’s CT, so yuji could also gain it or already have it without knowing.

I love how yuji’s shrine CT is represented. It’s his own version so he could gain another type of DE since DE represent the user soul and spirit.
 

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He noticed it during their fight when he possessed megumu for the first time, by saying « oh it’s that brat from that Time » it was implied that he knew or had a guess about who yuji could be.
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If sukuna ate his twin brother in the womb he could have gain his CT and powers too like yuji did with his half brothers as cursed womb. Fuga may come from it, it could be yuji father’s CT, so yuji could also gain it or already have it without knowing.

I love how yuji’s shrine CT is represented. It’s his own version so he could gain another type of DE since DE represent the user soul and spirit.
When he possessed Megumi and was flying of with Uraume, he was joking about Yuji face of despair, looking like someone from the past.
 

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So let me get this straight. Souls reincarnate into different vessels, different future identities, but maintain their potency/potential? Or is this more of a "Sukuna = Indra and Yuji = reincarnated Ashura" ? I mean to compare with Narutoverse.

So Sukuna's 4 hands and two mouths was a callout to fetal twin absorption. Sick dude. I wonder if Gege is a Stephen King fan.

And now Yuji's got Black Flash, his own version of shrine / slicing, and Piercing Blood.

//calling it now - Yuji's going to figure out remote activation of slash techniques using the cursed blood manipulation. IE the blood misses or hits with no force but then the blood itself becomes a medium for Yuji's soul to fire off a slashing technique, since the blood's an extension of his body.
 

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If he can send slashs off from blood, hell yeah gonna be awesome and a little overpower
 

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So let me get this straight. Souls reincarnate into different vessels, different future identities, but maintain their potency/potential? Or is this more of a "Sukuna = Indra and Yuji = reincarnated Ashura" ? I mean to compare with Narutoverse.

So Sukuna's 4 hands and two mouths was a callout to fetal twin absorption. Sick dude. I wonder if Gege is a Stephen King fan.

And now Yuji's got Black Flash, his own version of shrine / slicing, and Piercing Blood.

//calling it now - Yuji's going to figure out remote activation of slash techniques using the cursed blood manipulation. IE the blood misses or hits with no force but then the blood itself becomes a medium for Yuji's soul to fire off a slashing technique, since the blood's an extension of his body.
Dunno about the first part
Sukuna killed his twin, the body was destroyed
The soul was not, kenjaku somehow managed to track down where the soul was, and in his sick way, created Yuji.
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GOATJI LET’S GO

Not only he has Fraudkuna’s CT, but he also landed 6 Black Flashes
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At this stage, I almost believe that Kenjaku and Tengen are Fraudkuna’s parents. Would explain lots of things
He managed 7 BF today and one on the previous chapter.
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Finally we got confirmation that Shrine is Sukuna's CT

For me it was never in doubt, because your domain has your CT as it base.

Unlimited Void with Limitless
Yuta's Domain
Jogo's Fire domain
Mahito's domain

Malevolent Shrine follows the same rule

Now the Sukuna fans out there have one less argument
 

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So what kind of technique is a shrine? How are shrines thematically connected to cutting techniques? Oh and fire (Sukuna’s only twice-used “fuga”)?

I am further calling it -Yuji being a chain black flash user plus cursed blood plus Shrine technique user, with the potential to outshine Sukuna - it will be all the more meaningful when Yuji goes full heavenly restriction. Imagine a Sukuna-level sorcerer dividing by zero.
 

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So what kind of technique is a shrine? How are shrines thematically connected to cutting techniques? Oh and fire (Sukuna’s only twice-used “fuga”)?

I am further calling it -Yuji being a chain black flash user plus cursed blood plus Shrine technique user, with the potential to outshine Sukuna - it will be all the more meaningful when Yuji goes full heavenly restriction. Imagine a Sukuna-level sorcerer dividing by zero.
mizushi (御厨子?), could have several meanings:
Disregarding the honorific prefix mi- (御?), a zushi (厨子?) is a miniature, double-doored Buddhist shrine, similar to a feretory, that is used to store important items like statues, śarīra, sutras, mortuary tablets, and so on.
The mizushi-dokoro (御厨子所?) is an archaic word referring to a section of the Emperor's residential compound in the Imperial Palace, where food from the kitchen compound, meant for the Emperor's meals, would be brought for more advanced stages of preparation.
The second character zu/kuriya (厨?) means "kitchen".

Given that Cleave and Dismantle are quite powerful yet simple technique in comparison to Limitless, u can argue that the shrine is where Sukuna keep his tools. Fuga means Open. I already stated here. He can only open something and bring out some techniques if they were kept there.
 

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mizushi (御厨子?), could have several meanings:
Disregarding the honorific prefix mi- (御?), a zushi (厨子?) is a miniature, double-doored Buddhist shrine, similar to a feretory, that is used to store important items like statues, śarīra, sutras, mortuary tablets, and so on.
The mizushi-dokoro (御厨子所?) is an archaic word referring to a section of the Emperor's residential compound in the Imperial Palace, where food from the kitchen compound, meant for the Emperor's meals, would be brought for more advanced stages of preparation.
The second character zu/kuriya (厨?) means "kitchen".

Given that Cleave and Dismantle are quite powerful yet simple technique in comparison to Limitless, u can argue that the shrine is where Sukuna keep his tools. Fuga means Open. I already stated here. He can only open something and bring out some techniques if they were kept there.
So I guess we’re going to see what Yuji has in his storehouse.
 

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So I guess we’re going to see what Yuji has in his storehouse.
Sukuna mastered Jujutsu. Its not impossible that he mastered other techniques other than his. But given he has so much experience with Binding Vows, that he needs to change "Open" to use them

In regards to the shrine technique, is is original technique, and he can use Cleave and Dismantle.
Yuta copied this. Yuji can use this

Its just that Sukuna have a larger inventory, more techniques to use.
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So I guess we’re going to see what Yuji has in his storehouse.
Yuji has his bros
 

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As far as I am concerned, if Yuji has Sukuna's brother's soul, they're bros.
 

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Who had Sukuna's brother soul was Yuji's dad
Yeah either way they're saying that Yuji is of the same bloodline as Sukuna which directly means similar latent potential.

I don't like how matter-of-fact, no-dramatic-reveal Gege is handling this:
  1. Yuji being a relative of Sukuna is a big farking deal.
  2. Yuji having a similar technique to Sukuna is a big farking deal
  3. Yuji having ANY TECHNIQUE WHATSOEVER is a big farking deal
  4. Yuji having Cursed blood manipulation is a big farking deal
  5. Yuji cannibalizing the death womb paintings 4 through 9 is a big farking deal.
And yet Gege is handling these reveals almost as non-sequiturs. Like "oh hey look Yuji just used piercing blood. I guess he can do that now?" And "oh hey look Yuji just ...used Sukuna's technique. In the middle of a chapter and not as a big cliffhanger. GUESS HE CAN DO THAT NOW.".

For fark sake, Yuta using Cleave on Sukuna had more dramatic impact than Yuji doing it.

Oh and the whole spamming of black flash. Seriously, 8 in a single fight. As much as Black Flash has been built up, and its secondary effects of either leveling up the character (see Mahito) or full heal/restore (see Gojo, Sukuna) have beeen touted... Sukuna just pulled off what, 4 of them? Where's his healed arms, restored RCT, restored CT turning the other characters into kibbles and bits? ALSO YUJI JUST SPAMMED 8 OF THEM. Where's Sukuna getting launched through buildings, or gasping for air due to the unexpected deep damage?

This is supposedly the most dramatic twisty fight in the whole bloody story. With all of these major character and plot developments happening, how is the drama this minimal?

//Gege, please, PLEASE, listen to your editors and hire an assistant writer, because your ability as a dramatic writer is abysmal. So much potential you're sleepwalking through.
 

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Gojo got off screened( big deal) and that was address more than 15 chapters later

About the death paintings, it was very clear since Yuji said sorry to Choso.
Kenjaku said since Shibuya end that he expected a lot from Yuji
And till now, it's going this way, even if he said otherwise to Choso(maybe just to disturb him, "I don't care about your brother".
He even saved Yuji schools friends lol
Kenjaku was always twisted
And he wasn't friends with Sukuna, they just needed each other for convenience, Kenjaku helped Sukuna with his knowledge about reincarnation or cursed objects, Sukuna made a great Chaos and killed Gojo
Kenjaku couldn't beat Sukuna in a 1vs1
But creates the being that could beat him

Of course some things is handles casually but I'm not a person that wants every secret to be handled like a bomb for cliffhanger

For Kenjaku to inhabit a woman's body and help give birth to a baby, it was more than just wanting a CT. This or a fetish. Then we found out that Jin's backstory.

The rest the other guys like Zehahaha and Franz can debate more



Dunno why complain now or ask him to get assistant writer now, like, Yuji found out about his mom via a dream and wasn't a cliffhanger nor he spent a great time do deal with it.
Gege's finishing the manga soon and will continue handling it like this
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Yeah either way they're saying that Yuji is of the same bloodline as Sukuna which directly means similar latent potential.

I don't like how matter-of-fact, no-dramatic-reveal Gege is handling this:
  1. Yuji being a relative of Sukuna is a big farking deal.
  2. Yuji having a similar technique to Sukuna is a big farking deal
  3. Yuji having ANY TECHNIQUE WHATSOEVER is a big farking deal
  4. Yuji having Cursed blood manipulation is a big farking deal
  5. Yuji cannibalizing the death womb paintings 4 through 9 is a big farking deal.
And yet Gege is handling these reveals almost as non-sequiturs. Like "oh hey look Yuji just used piercing blood. I guess he can do that now?" And "oh hey look Yuji just ...used Sukuna's technique. In the middle of a chapter and not as a big cliffhanger. GUESS HE CAN DO THAT NOW.".

For fark sake, Yuta using Cleave on Sukuna had more dramatic impact than Yuji doing it.

Oh and the whole spamming of black flash. Seriously, 8 in a single fight. As much as Black Flash has been built up, and its secondary effects of either leveling up the character (see Mahito) or full heal/restore (see Gojo, Sukuna) have beeen touted... Sukuna just pulled off what, 4 of them? Where's his healed arms, restored RCT, restored CT turning the other characters into kibbles and bits? ALSO YUJI JUST SPAMMED 8 OF THEM. Where's Sukuna getting launched through buildings, or gasping for air due to the unexpected deep damage?

This is supposedly the most dramatic twisty fight in the whole bloody story. With all of these major character and plot developments happening, how is the drama this minimal?

//Gege, please, PLEASE, listen to your editors and hire an assistant writer, because your ability as a dramatic writer is abysmal. So much potential you're sleepwalking through.
About the BF, last chapter revelead that Yuji awakened. Now he can understand more of his abilities and spent 1 month with everyone(included Gojo) to try it.
Yuji used a lot of BF against Hanami and Mahito too, now he's forbidden?

Choso stated last chapter that doesn't matter how many BF Sukuna used to restore his output, with Yuji hitting him, nothing would change
 

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Yeah either way they're saying that Yuji is of the same bloodline as Sukuna which directly means similar latent potential.

I don't like how matter-of-fact, no-dramatic-reveal Gege is handling this:
  1. Yuji being a relative of Sukuna is a big farking deal.
  2. Yuji having a similar technique to Sukuna is a big farking deal
  3. Yuji having ANY TECHNIQUE WHATSOEVER is a big farking deal
  4. Yuji having Cursed blood manipulation is a big farking deal
  5. Yuji cannibalizing the death womb paintings 4 through 9 is a big farking deal.
And yet Gege is handling these reveals almost as non-sequiturs. Like "oh hey look Yuji just used piercing blood. I guess he can do that now?" And "oh hey look Yuji just ...used Sukuna's technique. In the middle of a chapter and not as a big cliffhanger. GUESS HE CAN DO THAT NOW.".

For fark sake, Yuta using Cleave on Sukuna had more dramatic impact than Yuji doing it.

Oh and the whole spamming of black flash. Seriously, 8 in a single fight. As much as Black Flash has been built up, and its secondary effects of either leveling up the character (see Mahito) or full heal/restore (see Gojo, Sukuna) have beeen touted... Sukuna just pulled off what, 4 of them? Where's his healed arms, restored RCT, restored CT turning the other characters into kibbles and bits? ALSO YUJI JUST SPAMMED 8 OF THEM. Where's Sukuna getting launched through buildings, or gasping for air due to the unexpected deep damage?

This is supposedly the most dramatic twisty fight in the whole bloody story. With all of these major character and plot developments happening, how is the drama this minimal?

//Gege, please, PLEASE, listen to your editors and hire an assistant writer, because your ability as a dramatic writer is abysmal. So much potential you're sleepwalking through.
This is probably not the manga for you. You will enjoy things like Naruto or Bleach better. Instead of "demanding" Gege to change, please understand that many of us enjoy this style of writing and the way the story is developing. I enjoy piecing it together instead of having huge signposts for every little thing. I don't know how anything you have said that was revealed should be a surprise, people have been theorizing and putting these things together forever. It does not have to cater to you and can't cater to everyone all at once. Just find something you like instead of demanding that it be changed so that you can enjoy it better.
 

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This is probably not the manga for you. You will enjoy things like Naruto or Bleach better. Instead of "demanding" Gege to change, please understand that many of us enjoy this style of writing and the way the story is developing. I enjoy piecing it together instead of having huge signposts for every little thing. I don't know how anything you have said that was revealed should be a surprise, people have been theorizing and putting these things together forever. It does not have to cater to you and can't cater to everyone all at once. Just find something you like instead of demanding it be changed so that you can enjoy it better.
It's fair game to offer constructive criticism for fun but flawed creative works. Also, let's be real here, what was there for you to piece together? NONE of this last chapter's impactful developments, save one, were given foreshadowing. The only thing we all saw coming was Yuji eventually receiving Sukuna's cursed technique. Except there's tons of foreshadowing that he'd receive a different one. There's been foreshadowing that Yuji was a failed attempt at deliberately creating a "Toji Zenin", and there was also foreshadowing that Yuji should by rights have inherited a cursed technique from EITHER of his parents, OR from Kenjaku himself (who had parasitized Yuji's mother prior to his birth).

Also, how does it make sense that Yuji has cursed blood manipulation from eating death womb paintings four through nine? The only death womb painting to have that technique is Choso, the other two living/incarnated ones had different techniques. Also wouldn't it make sense that Yuji would develop ...five different techniques, possibly, from eating those five death womb paintings? Why just the one technique, and why THAT one?

I didn't suggest anything that was revealed was a surprise. What was surprising is how little dramatic impact the author decided to imbue. Yuji suddenly developing not one but TWO cursed techniques, and learning how to make each and every blow a black flash, AND turning out to be Sukuna's nephew, AND... you see?

Gojo getting off-paneled by Sukuna is like your favorite porno cutting away to commercial right before the climax and then when it comes back on, you find out Dirk Diggler's dick FELL OFF right before the money shot and he spontaneously decided to never appear onscreen ever again.

Imaging if this were Game of Thrones, you were watching the red wedding, and everything looked like it was going to work out for Rob Stark, then literally next episode you find out "yeah, no, everyone died, Walder Frey betrayed them and killed them all" but it was all off-panel. No "Rains of Castermere" played by the band, no pregnancy belly getting repeatedly stabbed, NONE OF THE DRAMATIC MOMENT.

This is what's happening here. This shit's amateurish. Or just lazy. Or Gege's heart's not in it anymore. Which happens. I mean look at what happened with Bleach...which honestly has pretty similar strengths and weaknesses to JJK, and we know Kubo Tite just wanted it to end:
-Great character design and superpowers
-Abysmal character development
-None of the villains seem particularly compelling outside of their omnipotence
-The main character's origin and powers are CONSTANTLY getting retconned with more added in, to make him personally relevant to both the heroes and the villain.

TBH, the only thing really separating JJK from Bleach is Kubo at least had decent female character design.
 

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First of all I don't think anyone here needs or wants to read about porno comparisons, let's keep things here at a good level

Eso and Kechizu had cursed techniques that were related to blood. And if u look the panel that Yuji made the blood he spilled on Sukuna's face burst, it's similar to those brothers already mentioned.

So all of them have blood related techniques because of Kamo Noritoshi, Kamo clan have blood related techniques.

Sukuna's having a twin as theorized for a long time, because of his OG appearance that Gege always dropped here and there.

He's not Sukuna nephew. He's the son of a man than had Sukuna's twin's soul after a lot of other people had it too(it was mentioned as Cycles)
Called him Sukuna's nephew is the same as calling Jin as Sukuna's brother.
Sukuna killed his twin at the womb, just to not starve. Jin is Jin

Yuji was specially made by Kenjaku, he's not a failed Toji Zenin, it never was stated that Yuji was supposed to be him, Kenny just created him to don't have CE at first because he wanted Yuji to hold Sukuna. He needed to eat Sukuna's finger to begin the story and most of people would have a low chance of success. He got Sukuna's techniques because of that, even if that took a while.
He had to ingest the paintings because of that, because he didn't have techniques before, he wanted and needed to fight Sukuna.

He managed to hit Mahito and Hanami, again, multiple times in a single fight without awakening, without sorting out his powers. Now that he did, it's not out nowhere that he did it. Lol
 

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Sukuna just pulled off what, 4 of them? Where's his healed arms, restored RCT, restored CT turning the other characters into kibbles and bits? ALSO YUJI JUST SPAMMED 8 OF THEM. Where's Sukuna getting launched through buildings, or gasping for air due to the unexpected deep damage?
Sukuna takes Soul Damage from Yuji which reverse effects of his black flashes as Choso said no matter how many Sukuna will land as long as Yuji will keep making hits on him.

Also, there's a parts that Sukuna is unable to heal like Arm and heart at least for now cause it's also Soul Damage from Maki.
 

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I don't know why anything has to do with Yugi is underwhelming.
He looks normal, doesnt speak, then suddenly pulls a great technique, but still looks underwhelming.
I would understand if all of the characters are efficient and dont power up or talks too much; but this has not been the case except for Yuji.
He is very boring, doesnt have a character, and we dont see or hear about him training at all.
 

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I don't know why anything has to do with Yugi is underwhelming.
He looks normal, doesnt speak, then suddenly pulls a great technique, but still looks underwhelming.
I would understand if all of the characters are efficient and dont power up or talks too much; but this has not been the case except for Yuji.
He is very boring, doesnt have a character, and we dont see or hear about him training at all.
Tell me your don't read JJK without you telling me you don't read JJK

Could be that u and some other people just usually read other works with OP MC since the beginning or with a vast potential, but no character? Like saying, no personality? He's silent like a GTA protagonist? Since he got into the Jujutsu High there was never a time to properly train to get stronger like most people want. It was attack after attack, incidents and fighters after incidents and fights. But he always getting stronger bit by bit. Being cited by Gojo that he along Hakari and Yuta could surpass him. He got stronger after strengthening his resolver fighting Mahito. Then Culling Games happened. Then Sukuna possessed Megumi. He got 1 month training.
Now he awakened vs Sukuna.

Lol
 
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