Discussion King

[Amplitude404]

King definitely was dodging ban without him even realizing...
Such as in the dead world or whatever when ban tried to hit king but he dodged...
Or during their first fight when ban was attacking king but he has already moved...

Meliodas can swing his entire arm before a bolt of lightning hits (at 3700 miles per second that's fricking amazing, and yes I think it was cloud to ground lightning)...
Note Mel was able to draw sword yet ban wasn't able to even see king the first time he impaled him, until after he was on the spear embedded in his chest...
Ban is faster than Mel...
So the order goes
Lightning --->Mel(reaction)---->ban/king(reaction) --->chastiefol(actual speed)

 

[kkck]

Well, but don't weapons have a very real effect on the speed of the user? I think we have seen a few sins being speedblitz back when they did not have their weapons even against people who have no business blitzing a sin. I am not sure if gil's lightning really travels that fast. It probably is naturally very fast however if its speed is of that magnitude then wouldn't it be a sort of disadvantage for gil? People at mel's level seem to be able to handle it and assuming it has its real life counterpart speed then it is also not getting any faster. So, if gl fights a commandment, who seem to have PLs somewhere in the range of 30000 then in the time between gil initiating an attack and it hitting a commandment would have enough time to ponder on the meaning of life, make an espresso, read a magazine, get gil's mom pregnant, have a long hot shower, get back to the fight, have an inner monologue on whether its cool to kill a guy whose mom you just did, decide to end the fight, ponder on the most baddass way to kill the person and the perfect one liner to end him only to the deliver a horrible pun (you'd be shocked if you could see what just happened) and then do it. Ok, clearly that is hyperbole but if mel can react to real life lightning speed then someone with roughly 10 times his pl would be able to pretty much run laps around lighting(unless it can somehow get faster however if we are assuming RL lighting then it shouldn't).

To add to that, king's speed would be based on his PL and weapon... So would mel's. In which case it would make more sense that chastiefol was actually overall faster than mel, at least at his base form. In demon form mel should be comparable at least though, if not faster. However king himself is not slouch either way considering he has shown some decent speed feats. There we see king easily dealing with helbram... who at the time had absorbed the blunt PL of a bunch of HKs.

 

[Amplitude404]

It shouldn't get any faster, however the writer can always increase the speed of Gil's lightning...
And not only does King have good speed feats, he can ride on his weapon, giving him another level of speed.

---------- Post added July 28, 2015 at 05:53 PM ---------- Previous post was July 22, 2015 at 04:46 AM ----------

Well now we know what disaster does!
And holy shit I wasn't expecting that...
King just keeps getting more bad ass!
Not to mention meliodas is back in black...lol

 

[HeartGold12]

It shouldn't get any faster, however the writer can always increase the speed of Gil's lightning...
And not only does King have good speed feats, he can ride on his weapon, giving him another level of speed.

---------- Post added July 28, 2015 at 05:53 PM ---------- Previous post was July 22, 2015 at 04:46 AM ----------

Well now we know what disaster does!
And holy shit I wasn't expecting that...
King just keeps getting more bad ass!
Not to mention meliodas is back in black...lol

Called it. A long time ago. Though I was wrong in one spot - he doesn't cause disasters, he can amplify everything that happens around him to the point of a disaster.

It's still a god-tier power, and quoting the manga, it quite effectively gives him control over life and death and everything that surrounds him, really.

Hell yes.

EDIT: Also, the wing thing is going to be resolved over the course of the next arc, I'm sure of that. Although we still don't know if he was just too weak atm to grow a pair of if they were locked up in his body.

Either way, they're gonna come out, and he's in for a hilariously tough time. Can't wait to see how they look *0*

 

[overlordpringerx]

What do you guys think King is? A true fairy? A human that BECAME a fairy? A hybrid between a human and a fairy? A DEMON-fairy hybrid? Tell me

 

[Demonspeed]

What do you guys think King is? A true fairy? A human that BECAME a fairy? A hybrid between a human and a fairy? A DEMON-fairy hybrid? Tell me

A normal Fairy but there's something special in his family, that's why he and Elaine have no wings, he knows the reason at least, he hated humans and knew nothing of Demon powers, I don't think he could be hybrid.

 

[Amplitude404]

A normal Fairy but there's something special in his family, that's why he and Elaine have no wings, he knows the reason at least, he hated humans and knew nothing of Demon powers, I don't think he could be hybrid.

I'm betting that he's a giant fairy hybrid...
Maybe the fairies can shape shift to the size of giants..

If this is true then logically there must be some way a fairy and giant can elope...
Which means that king could end up with Diane...

 

[kkck]

A normal Fairy but there's something special in his family, that's why he and Elaine have no wings, he knows the reason at least, he hated humans and knew nothing of Demon powers, I don't think he could be hybrid.

Well, but isn't the idea of a fairy "family" kinda weird? Looking at fairies it does not look like the reproduce normally. They have no knowledge of growing up or responsibility, they also don't seem to age at all. King left the fairy kingdom 700 years ago or so and even then the fairies we have seen from back then who remain look exactly the same. Even the tiny one that looks like a baby. Even though that fairy by now would be about half done with his entire life span. With this in mind it does not seem like fairies normally have actual families or even reproduce sexually or otherwise. Which would obviously make harlequin and elaine's situation quite weirder. Its also weird that there has been no mention of king's parents even though there is a 300 year difference between him and elaine agewise.

 

[Amplitude404]

So Elaine is adopted...
Or they were both "found" somewhere and they have no idea what they are, other than regular fairies...

 

[kkck]

Well, going by my post "adopted" is a concept which wouldn't fit into fairy culture because to begin with there are no parents. My crackpot theory is that fairies are born from the sacred tree itself. Maybe from the sacred tree's cabbages or something lol. Maybe the whole "the birds and the bees' is far more literal for a fairy. Specially the bee part lol.

 

[Amplitude404]

Well, going by my post "adopted" is a concept which wouldn't fit into fairy culture because to begin with there are no parents. My crackpot theory is that fairies are born from the sacred tree itself. Maybe from the sacred tree's cabbages or something lol. Maybe the whole "the birds and the bees' is far more literal for a fairy. Specially the bee part lol.

So they were adopted by the sacred tree...
No one knows why, the previous fairy king was like yep
And ta-da we have two beings who are now living and being raised as fairies...

Or Maybe they are midget giants who got turned into fairies...

 

[overlordpringerx]

So they were adopted by the sacred tree...
No one knows why, the previous fairy king was like yep
And ta-da we have two beings who are now living and being raised as fairies...

Or Maybe they are midget giants who got turned into fairies...

The giant-theory is... weird.

 

[Amplitude404]

The giant-theory is... weird.

Alright, revision then

But hypothetically speaking
If a giant and a fairy were in love
Couldn't the fairy shape shift into human size and the giant get shrunk by the mushroom things
Meaning they would be equal in size...

Ta-da we have a half fairy half giant
One that lives really long, can manipulate nature, has fairy abilities, has stats closer to Giants...
Think about it
King has fairy abilities
However he also seems to outclass other fairies in ability when not even trying.
He was way faster than helbram...
He's not necessarily stronger physically, but it could be his telekinesis is stronger than the average fairies...
Giants fight a lot, king fights a lot

 

[HereNThere]

I'm curious as to how many facets there are to Disaster. Assuming that each of Chastifol's forms is brought out by a seperate Disaster technique, King should have about 6 more Disaster related techniques along with "Status Promotion" and "Condense Power".

 

[Amplitude404]

I'm just wondering if status promotion makes stuff worse does he have one that has the opposite effect?

Because when his ability was described it was said he had control over "life and death"...
Status promotion can fit the death aspect, however it wouldn't necessarily fit under the life aspect...
It can be argued that killing is power over life, however if someone is dying already, without healing you don't really have control over life...

 

[kkck]

I'm curious as to how many facets there are to Disaster. Assuming that each of Chastifol's forms is brought out by a seperate Disaster technique, King should have about 6 more Disaster related techniques along with "Status Promotion" and "Condense Power".

Well, none of the disaster techniques we have seen really relates to a specific chastiefol form. And looking at disaster his power seems to have a potentially limitless scope. King's disaster is basically control over life and death, over nature, he can make things bad things worst and perhaps even good things better. So far the most we can reasonably assume is happening is that king is using chastiefol to bring out the properties of the sacred tree (its moss, its flowers, its pollen...) and enhance them several times over with his disaster. So the limiting aspect here is probably not specific disaster techniques but rather the very properties of the tree, the offensive and defensive abilities of the tree. King can potentially enhance every single aspect of the tree. Heck, its even possible that using disaster differently on the tree would result in the same aspect having different abilities.

---------- Post added at 10:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:58 PM ----------

I'm just wondering if status promotion makes stuff worse does he have one that has the opposite effect?

Because when his ability was described it was said he had control over "life and death"...
Status promotion can fit the death aspect, however it wouldn't necessarily fit under the life aspect...
It can be argued that killing is power over life, however if someone is dying already, without healing you don't really have control over life...

Well, king has the pollen garden of chastiefol. It uses the pollen of the tree, presumably enhanced with his own disaster to save lives. King said the pollen takes a while to act when it comes to the tree however from what we saw diane's pain went away pretty quickly and to boot her wounds were to an extent healed at least as she was soon after that able to move.

 

[Holt]

I'm just wondering if status promotion makes stuff worse does he have one that has the opposite effect?

Because when his ability was described it was said he had control over "life and death"...
Status promotion can fit the death aspect, however it wouldn't necessarily fit under the life aspect...
It can be argued that killing is power over life, however if someone is dying already, without healing you don't really have control over life...

Well it can be considered as having power over life and death because he can essentially make things worse. For example, he can determine if a small scratch would remain that way (by leaving it) or to use status promotion to make it a gaping wound that leads to death. If one is already dying, status promotion wouldn't really be needed then, would it? Even so, he can essentially do nothing, thus allowing the person to live for a little longer or he can promote it so the person dies in a short while. I believe that's what is meant by having power over life and death. King also has the chastefiol form that can heal although I don't think Merlin was referencing that when she mentioned him having power over life and death.

 

[Amplitude404]

Well it can be considered as having power over life and death because he can essentially make things worse. For example, he can determine if a small scratch would remain that way (by leaving it) or to use status promotion to make it a gaping wound that leads to death. If one is already dying, status promotion wouldn't really be needed then, would it? Even so, he can essentially do nothing, thus allowing the person to live for a little longer or he can promote it so the person dies in a short while. I believe that's what is meant by having power over life and death. King also has the chastefiol form that can heal although I don't think Merlin was referencing that when she mentioned him having power over life and death.

That like saying whoever can kill people has power over life and death... Which is true..

But say his sister is dying, status promotion isn't gonna help her
He can let her die, but that doesn't mean he has control over her life since he can't affect it...

And he must have some way to heal other than chasteifol pollen form,
Considering he has his disaster ability longer the he has had chasteifol...

If disaster only can cause death, it doesn't make sense that he would have a healthy forest...

 

[Holt]

The forest's health was from the fountain of youth or Elaine or so. That's why Ban was attached to the forest. It wasn't because of King. His disaster ability probably doesn't have an inherent ability to heal. Or at least not one that has been revealed

 

[kkck]

The forest's health was from the fountain of youth or Elaine or so. That's why Ban was attached to the forest. It wasn't because of King. His disaster ability probably doesn't have an inherent ability to heal. Or at least not one that has been revealed

Well, assuming the way king fights is by taking aspects of the tree and enhancing them through his disaster ability (the alternative would be that he fights solely with chastiefol without using disaster) then he does have pollen garden which to an extent healed diane and the others within it. Of course, in this case king's own ability to heal would depend on how much the tree itself can heal to begin with. And king did say the pollen used by the tree generally takes a while so we can easily make the case that he enhanced a healing ability that was not particularly strong, or at least fast. If we consider what merlin said about healing magic then its likely that whatever healing ability king might or not have won't be particularly strong because its outside the scope of his normal powers. Maybe king's thing won't be so much healing (as in him closing wounds and whatnot) as it will be him accelerating the natural process. One way or the other it wouldn't be weird if his ability is significantly better at offense than healing though.