Fantasy Kyria vs Jacob

[WoWfan]

And I gave you fair and reasonable counter points to those scans, but your opinions are your own

 

[One4All]

The Blade Dragon takes this. Jacob's deadly weapon was his transport,other than that,he is manageable.
In this fight,Kyria doesn't have light magic,so she needs to use AOE attacks like her roar randomly to hurt Jacob and then use consecutive number of attacks to hurt him further.

With regards to H2H,do we have any proof,like even words from Jacob himself that he was holding back when he fought Natsu and Lucy?he was even pissed when NaLu tricked him. IMO,he didn't held back,and he only made some bruises and didn't render both incapacitated. Kyria on the other hand knocked out Lucy,Wendy,Carla,slaved Erza and Merc. This just proves that Kyria's offence > Jacob's offence.
Jacob being pissed after Nalu kicked him.

Durabilitywise,Jacob and Kyria may be equal or close to equal. Jacob was defeated by FDKM. Kyria by Laxus' Roaring Thunder.

 

[WoWfan]

Jacob said that he would torture Lucy and Natsu so that Mavis would tell him where FH is, so he was holding back, if he can tank Natsu’s hits and even overpower him physically then he would scale to him. With Jacob’s blade would have cut off a limb or two had Natsu not interfere, and he still had to use his heat powers to melt it before it could pierce him

 

[Verter]

Oh, get off it. Natsu wasn't nerfed in the slightest. The first page of the sequel flat out says that Fairy Tail was stronger than ever. Natsu was miles deep underwater and couldn't get flames going in the first place. You expect Natsu to vaporize the entire sea?

I've discussion with you for reason not to troll, but because I strongly disagree with you here.

That's Natsu reaction on "water" (it's simply vaporised by heat of his body (with mode activation ) :

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I don't say Natsu should vaporise entire sea/ocean

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But at least some area around his hand should boil.
But we did not see it, so -> what's why i said how Natsu was nerfed to compare with his real self,

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Jellal hasn't beat no one, he was not the target of Kyria's roar,

I don't have so m. time to waste, so sorry me please.
I just answer on one funny issue in your post and skip others.

Did someone say about her "strong" roar AoE ?!

It's actually AoE. So about which "he was not the target" you said ?

He was "target, but for AoE it's not a thing there's or there's not any target - because it's AoE = attack of earth.

Here you can see Jellal was aimed by that trash attack:

Fairy Tail 100 Years Quest :: Chapter 36 :: Sorcerer Weekly

And on next three pages he didnt have even single scratch (!) As well as Erza.

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That's absolutely shows that her roar was extremely trash and weakest from all we saw in manga.

 

[WoWfan]

This actually makes sense with the Jellal example, especially since he was hurt by someone like Neinhart who would be a level or two below the likes of Jacob.

 

[Axiomus]

I've discussion with you for reason not to troll, but because I strongly disagree with you here.

That's Natsu reaction on "water" (it's simply vaporised by heat of his body (with mode activation ) :

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I don't say Natsu should vaporise entire sea/ocean

Fairy Tail 100 Years Quest :: Chapter 7 :: Sorcerer Weekly

But at least some area around his hand should boil.
But we did not see it, so -> what's why i said how Natsu was nerfed to compare with his real self,

Again. First page of the 100 Year Quest flatly says that the members of Fairy Tail were stronger than ever. There's no nerf. In what way would Natsu have been nerfed? People don't just get nerfed for no apparent reason.

Spoiler

There's a huge difference between Natsu trying to use a base mode punch underwater, and Natsu using FDK above water. Natsu was able to vaporize the lake because he was above water and able to get some of his strongest flames going. There is a giant fireball trailing behind him as he enters FDK mode. Sure you can argue that somewhat argue that Natsu started to vaporize the lake water before entering FDK mode, but at that point he was already preparing to use FDK. That's far, faaaaar different than trying to use a regular base mode punch.

Natsu isn't Acnologia level level, and Acnologia didn't try to create flames underwater....So I'm not sure why that is relevant.

 

[WoWfan]

Those kinds of text are not really part of the story canon, for really any story, unless they provide explicit details, like how one cover said Magnolia is 4km wide.

 

[Axiomus]

Those kinds of text are not really part of the story canon, for really any story, unless they provide explicit details, like how one cover said Magnolia is 4km wide.

They are canon. More canon than the fanfiction you have going on in your head, anyways.

 

[WoWfan]

They are canon. More canon than the fanfiction you have going on in your head, anyways.

The only one providing fanfic is you, besides that, that was simply an random introductory text, not relative additional information, the other below is considered canon that Magnolia is 4-5 km in size from the main street to FT Guild Hall.

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So there you go, for all we know is that that intro is that they still managed to secure their position as #1 Guild in the kingdom without letting up.

 

[Axiomus]

The only one providing fanfic is you, besides that, that was simply an random introductory text, not relative additional information, the other below is considered canon that Magnolia is 4-5 km in size from the main street to FT Guild Hall.

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So there you go, for all we know is that that intro is that they still managed to secure their position as #1 Guild in the kingdom without letting up.

The line is found even in the original Japanese text.

Spoiler

It does give relevant information: Acnologia and Zeref's battles are over. Fairy Tail is back, and stronger and rowdier than ever. It's just information you choose to ignore because it doesn't fit your fanfiction scenarios. You're just cherry picking texts from chapter covers that you consider canon.

 

[WoWfan]

That does not mean they are to be considered new information, if it said something like they are stronger than Acnologia and Zeref, then that is new information, don't confuse things as something important when they are not, especially since The enemies they face (besides the 5DG and possibly Touka) are weaker than Spriggans, so who is choosing what to believe now.

 

[Seven777]

I've discussion with you for reason not to troll, but because I strongly disagree with you here.

That's Natsu reaction on "water" (it's simply vaporised by heat of his body (with mode activation ) :

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I don't say Natsu should vaporise entire sea/ocean

Fairy Tail 100 Years Quest :: Chapter 7 :: Sorcerer Weekly

But at least some area around his hand should boil.
But we did not see it, so -> what's why i said how Natsu was nerfed to compare with his real self,

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I don't have so m. time to waste, so sorry me please.
I just answer on one funny issue in your post and skip others.

Did someone say about her "strong" roar AoE ?!

It's actually AoE. So about which "he was not the target" you said ?

He was "target, but for AoE it's not a thing there's or there's not any target - because it's AoE = attack of earth.

Here you can see Jellal was aimed by that trash attack:

Fairy Tail 100 Years Quest :: Chapter 36 :: Sorcerer Weekly

And on next three pages he didnt have even single scratch (!) As well as Erza.

Fairy Tail 100 Years Quest :: Chapter 36 :: Sorcerer Weekly

Fairy Tail 100 Years Quest :: Chapter 36 :: Sorcerer Weekly

Fairy Tail 100 Years Quest :: Chapter 36 :: Sorcerer Weekly

That's absolutely shows that her roar was extremely trash and weakest from all we saw in manga.

If by "strong" you mean a lot better than what Jacob's got, then sure, Kyria's roar is strong. If by "strong" you mean in comparison to main FT fighters attacks, then no, not strong. Just goes to show how utterly outclassed Jacob is these days.

AoE means Area of Effect not attack of earth, but sure, Jellal was prob hit too, but Jellal blocked the roar, Laxus didn't.

 

[WoWfan]

Jellal was out cold after one weak attack by Neinhart, and Jellal was unharmed by Kyria's roar, and Jacob has more feats than Neinhart despite being on the same tier. block is not the same as being unharmed.

 

[Axiomus]

That does not mean they are to be considered new information, if it said something like they are stronger than Acnologia and Zeref, then that is new information, don't confuse things as something important when they are not, especially since The enemies they face (besides the 5DG and possibly Touka) are weaker than Spriggans, so who is choosing what to believe now.

They are stronger than ever. It's just information you willingly ignore because that directly contradicts your claims of the main character being unreasonably and inexplicably nerfed. Characters don't just get weaker for no reason.

Consider the reason why Elmina is even being flooded for a second. It's because of Mercphobia's powers. In other words, it's the power of a God Dragon flooding an entire city. Do you guys expect Natsu to be able to boil away a city-wide flood created by a God Dragon with a regular base punch?

And guess what? You know what the most infuriating part of this conversation is? It's that it doesn't even matter if Natsu has been nerfed. You know who absolutely has not been nerfed? Lucy. She's flat out stronger in the 100YQ than in Alvarez with her star dress mix. Kyria can oneshot Lucy, whereas Jacob could barely damage her. Instead of just looking at Kyria and Jacob's feats, you guys are pretending that Natsu can match Madmole without magic power and that he has been inexplicably nerfed. As if that is going to change the fact that Kyria's feats are wholly better than Jacob's.

 

[WoWfan]

not stronger than ever as literally stronger than Acnologia, more they have maintained high stature as of lately, It does not contradict anything, if anything, the recent showings have contradicted that quote you gave as DE are confirmed weaker than Spriggans. Merc is multi continent level for being able to lift an entire Ocean at half strength. does not matter as Jacob would have literally cut her to pieces with just a knife had Natsu not interfered. It is not about feats alone, it is about scaling, which Kyria's stats are below that of the Spriggans.

 

[Fyron]

He is referring to when he uses FDKM that Igneel’s power will be used up, that doesn’t mean he can’t use portions of it for standard FDK spells

Mind you please elaborate this statement ? I couldn't understand it.

You mean to say despite Igneel's power being used up he can still use portions of it for FDK ? Who gave it to him again for a second use ? You implying Igneel lives on inside of Natsu like Irene ?

 

[WoWfan]

Mind you please elaborate this statement ? I couldn't understand it.

You mean to say despite Igneel's power being used up he can still use portions of it for FDK ? Who gave it to him again for a second use ? You implying Igneel lives on inside of Natsu like Irene ?

What I mean is, when he uses FDKM mode during his battle with Zeref, that is when he will use up all of Igneel's power, but before that happened, Natsu still used Igneel's flames with standard FDK spells as he stated that when he was using Demolition Fist against the War God, that those were Igneel's flames. After that, it is just regular FDK spells and FDKM

 

[Fyron]

What I mean is, when he uses FDKM mode during his battle with Zeref, that is when he will use up all of Igneel's power, but before that happened, Natsu still used Igneel's flames with standard FDK spells as he stated that when he was using Demolition Fist against the War God, that those were Igneel's flames. After that, it is just regular FDK spells and FDKM

Nope. He said that as a metaphor because he was Igneel's son . You literally see him removing his bandages to activate Igneel's power against Zeref. He didn't use Igneel's power against War god.

 

[WoWfan]

Nope. He said that as a metaphor because he was Igneel's son . You literally see him removing his bandages to activate Igneel's power against Zeref. He didn't use Igneel's power against War god.

if it was a metaphor, then it would have been more obvious like "These Flames are Igneel's burning heart or something", this was pretty straight forward. those are Igneel's flames. besides, if anything is more metaphorical, it is when Natsu called Igneel's flames when he fought Zeref's "Igneel's Resolve"

 

[Fyron]

if it was a metaphor, then it would have been more obvious like "These Flames are Igneel's burning heart or something", this was pretty straight forward. those are Igneel's flames. besides, if anything is more metaphorical, it is when Natsu called Igneel's flames when he fought Zeref's "Igneel's Resolve"

You see Natsu removing the bandages to fight Zeref , you see Natsu saying he can use it only once , enough said. Assuming Natsu used a metaphor is a lot better than assuming removing those bandages was insignificant , the power rise by several orders of magnitudes which was noted by Zeref was false , and that Natsu was lying about it being a one time use.