Fantasy Kyria vs Jacob

[Axiomus]

What is the debate??

He apparently thinks that because Natsu can't evaporate the sea with a base mode punch when he's underwater....and that Skullion can use magic to turn the sea into ash even though water cannot be burned into ash in real life... that somehow Natsu has been nerfed.

 

[Ramen]

He apparently thinks that because Natsu can't evaporate the sea with a base mode punch when he's underwater....and that Skullion can turn the sea into ash... that somehow Natsu has been nerfed.

But Natsu has better feats in this sequel so far than in the entire Alvarez Arc.

 

[Axiomus]

Complete combustion without any ash,

The water did not combust there (water does not combust in general). The water in that video simply evaporated from liquid to gas. But okay, evaporating water does not create ash. We can agree on that. What exactly is this supposed to prove in regards to Natsu being nerfed?

 

[Verter]

The water did not combust there (water does not combust in general). The water in that video simply evaporated from liquid to gas. But okay, evaporating water does not create ash. We can agree on that. What exactly is this supposed to prove in regards to Natsu being nerfed?

It's not evaporation, because we say not about water vapor. But if possible, i also want to stop with it.

I want to prove just one - Natsu was nerfed.
Again, I did n't say neither mean Natsu should vaporise entire sea.
But when Natsu is not able to use his magic underwater (for plot issues ofc) it's nerf.
And need not explain that nerf with physics laws, because if we will talk about it we'll find that same laws work for Natsu and in same battle didnt work for Skullion.

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 8, 2020, Original Post Date: Feb 8, 2020 ---

But Natsu has better feats in this sequel so far than in the entire Alvarez Arc.

Totally disagree.

Natsu feats - like "Challenger" in new GMG, vs Bluenote, vs S12 was above everything he did in sequel.

 

[Ramen]

It's not evaporation, because we say not about water vapor. But if possible, i also want to stop with it.

I want to prove just one - Natsu was nerfed.
Again, I did n't say neither mean Natsu should vaporise entire sea.
But when Natsu is not able to use his magic underwater (for plot issues ofc) it's nerf.
And need not explain that nerf with physics laws, because if we will talk about it we'll find that same laws work for Natsu and in same battle didnt work for Skullion.

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 8, 2020, Original Post Date: Feb 8, 2020 ---

Totally disagree.

Natsu feats - like "Challenger" in new GMG, vs Bluenote, vs S12 was above everything he did in sequel.

Disagree all you want.

 

[Verter]

Disagree all you want.

Needn't make false accusations. It's my rights to say about some characters nerf in sequel and I also can explain it.

 

[Ramen]

Needn't make false accusations. It's my rights to say about some characters nerf in sequel and I also can explain it.

Well you haven't. You say Blue note and GMG are above anything in tbe sequel, that's simply not true.

@Axiomus already gave you the feats and you disregarded them

 

[Axiomus]

It's not evaporation, because we say not about water vapor. But if possible, i also want to stop with it.

I want to prove just one - Natsu was nerfed.
Again, I did n't say neither mean Natsu should vaporise entire sea.
But when Natsu is not able to use his magic underwater (for plot issues ofc) it's nerf.
And need not explain that nerf with physics laws, because if we will talk about it we'll find that same laws work for Natsu and in same battle didnt work for Skullion.

Ummmm... fine, I'll drop it. But water cannot combust, only evaporate.

We don't even have to use physics to explain it. Happy simply said fire magic doesn't work in water. Skullion, unlike Natsu, isn't burning stuff to create ash. His magic simply transforms stuff into ash. Natsu needs his fire magic to burn stuff, and it doesn't work underwater.

Spoiler

 

[Verter]

Well you haven't. You say Blue note and GMG are above anything in tbe sequel, that's simply not true.

@Axiomus already gave you the feats and you disregarded them

Really?

1.

Pre-Alvarez
Just casual roar vs Bluenote:

Fairy Tail 423 - Read Fairy Tail 423Online - Page 9

Fairy Tail 423 - Read Fairy Tail 423 Manga Scans Page 9. Free and No Registration required for Fairy Tail 423

www.mangapanda.com

Fairy Tail 423 - Read Fairy Tail 423 Online - Page 10

Fairy Tail 423 - Read Fairy Tail 423 Manga Scans Page 10. Free and No Registration required for Fairy Tail 423

www.mangapanda.com

Sequel:
Flame Dragon Kings' roar

Fairy Tail 100 Years Quest :: Chapter 19 :: Sorcerer Weekly

Fairy Tail 100 Years Quest :: Chapter 19 :: Sorcerer Weekly

2.

Pre-Alvarez:
Heat by presence melt metal and stones (passive)

Fairy Tail 418 - Read Fairy Tail 418 Online - Page 23

Fairy Tail 418 - Read Fairy Tail 418 Manga Scans Page 23. Free and No Registration required for Fairy Tail 418

www.mangapanda.com

Sequel:
Natsu could not even properly activate fire magic

Fairy Tail 100 Years Quest :: Chapter 7 :: Sorcerer Weekly

3.

Pre-Alvares:
FDK fist

Fairy Tail 434 - Read Fairy Tail 434 Online - Page 15

Fairy Tail 434 - Read Fairy Tail 434 Manga Scans Page 15. Free and No Registration required for Fairy Tail 434

www.mangapanda.com

Sequel;
FDK fist

Fairy Tail 100 Years Quest :: Chapter 10 :: Sorcerer Weekly

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 8, 2020, Original Post Date: Feb 8, 2020 ---

Ummmm... fine, I'll drop it. But water cannot combust, only evaporate.

There's no water anymore - there's hydrogen, which is burning. Also there's oxygen.

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 8, 2020 ---

We don't even have to use physics to explain it. Happy simply said fire magic doesn't work in water. Skullion, unlike Natsu, isn't burning stuff to create ash. His magic simply transforms stuff into ash. Natsu needs his fire magic to burn stuff, and it doesn't work underwater.

Spoiler

Lame explanation. For turning something into ash, it should firstly be able to be turned into ash. And with water you can n't do it. So how he did it... "magic".
But same "magic" did not work for Natsu.. and his magical fire should demand physic laws. Funny,

 

[Ramen]

Really?

1.

Pre-Alvarez
Just casual roar vs Bluenote:

Fairy Tail 423 - Read Fairy Tail 423Online - Page 9

Fairy Tail 423 - Read Fairy Tail 423 Manga Scans Page 9. Free and No Registration required for Fairy Tail 423

www.mangapanda.com

Fairy Tail 423 - Read Fairy Tail 423 Online - Page 10

Fairy Tail 423 - Read Fairy Tail 423 Manga Scans Page 10. Free and No Registration required for Fairy Tail 423

www.mangapanda.com

Sequel:
Flame Dragon Kings' roar

Fairy Tail 100 Years Quest :: Chapter 19 :: Sorcerer Weekly

Fairy Tail 100 Years Quest :: Chapter 19 :: Sorcerer Weekly

2.

Pre-Alvarez:
Heat by presence melt metal and stones (passive)

Fairy Tail 418 - Read Fairy Tail 418 Online - Page 23

Fairy Tail 418 - Read Fairy Tail 418 Manga Scans Page 23. Free and No Registration required for Fairy Tail 418

www.mangapanda.com

Sequel:
Natsu could not even properly activate fire magic

Fairy Tail 100 Years Quest :: Chapter 7 :: Sorcerer Weekly

3.

Pre-Alvares:
FDK fist

Fairy Tail 434 - Read Fairy Tail 434 Online - Page 15

Fairy Tail 434 - Read Fairy Tail 434 Manga Scans Page 15. Free and No Registration required for Fairy Tail 434

www.mangapanda.com

Sequel;
FDK fist

Fairy Tail 100 Years Quest :: Chapter 10 :: Sorcerer Weekly

1) Yes he used a casual roar on Bluenote who's low tier mage. What do you want him to use a casual roar on the Water God Dragon? The stronger the enemy, the stronger the spells that will be used.

2) Metal is weak against Fire anyways so what's your point? Natsu was underneath a whole ocean it makes sense his fire can't evaporate the entire sea the way you want it to be. In the sequel, Natsu clearly states his fire will melt Gajeel's Iron. Last time I checked, Water>Fire in real life since you love your elements. Hypothetical, if Gray was fighting in a volcano, is he nerfed if he can't freeze it, no, it just means the surroundings are against him. Him not being able to boil a whole ocean isn't being nerfed.

3) Again, the stronger the mage, the stronger the spells, he needs to use FDK fist against Madmole since nothing else would work. Doesn't mean he's nerfed, it means Madmole's tankiness is just that good.

All your "feats" are proving nothing. So because his FDK roar didn't work on Mercuphobia but his casual worked on Bluenote that's supposed to mean something? Are you trying to scale Bluenote to a God Dragon?

List of sequel feats:

• Put down Madmole (who has incredible tankiness and heat resistance) for a bit with a spell that would one shot most mages.
• With Ignia's flames, made the Water God Dragon look like nothing and completely dominated him.
• Beat Gajeel in a high diff match with only his LFD
• Learned Thought Projection and beat up Wraith.
• One shot Makarov

How is beating up Sting and Rogue (who didn't live up to the hype) better than that? How is beating up a low tier mage in Bluenote better than that? Enchanted Neinhart was nothing special, Jacob was a decent feat but Jacob is mostly hax anyways. The only feat you could argue is Dimaria but that alone isn't enough.

 

[Verter]

It's pointless to discuss with someone who won't hear anything.

1, 2 and 3 are simply show his lower or same-type attacks in pre-Alvares times feats more then current ones, It's simply scale issue.

His current attacks look childish and weak.

P.S. "low-tier mage" Bluenote knocked down Wendy with easy.. DE Nebal was not able to do similar w.o. DF. GG.

 

[Axiomus]

There's no water anymore - there's hydrogen, which is burning. Also there's oxygen.

Lame explanation. For turning something into ash, it should firstly be able to be turned into ash. And with water you can n't do it. So how he did it... "magic".
But same "magic" did not work for Natsu.. and his magical fire should demand physic laws. Funny,

I can guarantee you that dripping water on a bunsen burner is not going to separate the hydrogen and oxygen. The water in that video simply evaporated. Water cannot combust.

Call it lame, but it's the explanation given. Skullion can turn anything into ash. That's his magic. Natsu can create fire with his magic. Apparently his fire magic doesn't work underwater.

 

[Ramen]

It's pointless to discuss with someone who won't hear anything.

1, 2 and 3 are simply show his lower or same-type attacks in pre-Alvares times feats more then current ones, It's simply scale issue.

His current attacks look childish and weak.

P.S. "low-tier mage" Bluenote knocked down Wendy with easy.. DE Nebal was not able to do similar w.o. DF. GG.

Well it's good to know I disproved your point.

Nebal did knock down Wendy, she started crying her ass off, Nebal was scared he actually killed her. GG my ass you didn't prove anything.

"Didn't knock her down." Knocked her right out of her DF.

Spoiler: 1

Spoiler: 2

Spoiler: 3

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 8, 2020, Original Post Date: Feb 8, 2020 ---

I can guarantee you that dripping water on a bunsen burner is not going to separate the hydrogen and oxygen. The water in that video simply evaporated. Water cannot combust.

Call it lame, but it's the explanation given. Skullion can turn anything into ash. That's his magic. Natsu can create fire with his magic. Apparently his fire magic doesn't work underwater.

Why is it a shock he can't create fire under a whole ocean? It's his literal weakness.

 

[Verter]

Well it's good to know I disproved your point.

Nebal did knock down Wendy, she started crying her ass off, Nebal was scared he actually killed her. GG my ass you didn't prove anything.

"Didn't knock her down." Knocked her right out of her DF.

Spoiler: 1

Spoiler: 2

Spoiler: 3

For who i posted it? Well.

P.S. "low-tier mage" Bluenote knocked down Wendy with easy.. DE Nebal was not able to do similar w.o. DF. GG.

 

[Ramen]

For who i posted it? Well.

And? Wendy was weaker against Bluenote than against Wendy. Ever heard of a power-creep?

 

[Verter]

And? Wendy was weaker against Bluenote than against Wendy. Ever heard of a power-creep?

For how much weaker ?

Like Natsu which attacks in pre-Alvares had ~250 meters effective range and now have only 5 meters ?

Really improvement with multiply 0.02.

P.S. I also heard about power nerf.

 

[Ramen]

For how much weaker ?

Like Natsu which attacks in pre-Alvares had ~250 meters range and not has only 5 meters ?

Really improvement with multiply 0.02.

Significant things can happen in one year. Alvarez Natsu and Tartaros Natsu is like completely different tiers and it was only 1 year. Where are you basing off your numbers?

It's also with Bluenote, during Tenrou he was top tier and comparable to Gildarts. During Pre-Alvarez, he's shown barely any improvement and was oneshotted by a casual roar. Improvements happen, and decrease in power happens too

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 8, 2020, Original Post Date: Feb 8, 2020 ---

For how much weaker ?

Like Natsu which attacks in pre-Alvares had ~250 meters effective range and now have only 5 meters ?

Really improvement with multiply 0.02.

P.S. I also heard about power nerf.

You heard about power nerf? I don't get it. Congrats I guess

 

[Verter]

Where are you basing off your numbers?

In manga, compare scale of Natsu attacks with his body and environment (i posted links on original and on sequel before). Current attack looks more tiny.

 

[WoWfan]

It is simple, all semble ce of what is strength for Natsu from Alvarez is not present in this series, he did not even perform the same impressive feats he did in Alvarez, that is explanation enough

 

[Verter]

It is simple, all semble ce of what is strength for Natsu from Alvarez is not present in this series, he did not even perform the same impressive feats he did in Alvarez, that is explanation enough

Some ppl believe... Natsu feats in sequel is above everything he did before (because on 1st page of sequel it said - "they're stronger then before !")