Fantasy Kyria vs Jacob

[Verter]

That's nice. Jellal isn't in this thread though. Kyria bodies Jacob without Transport.

You said about her AoE roar.

I answered - her roar is weak and did not even scratch both Laxus and Jellal. Any reason to say about such weak attack?!

 

[grey matter]

He then later got one-shotted by BBS Mira.

?? Didn't happen

Also, the fight was off-screen; and the guy didn't even use clap hax or stealth. He fought her BLIND

 

[Ebony Maw]

?? Didn't happen

Also, the fight was off-screen; and the guy didn't even use clap hax or stealth. He fought her BLIND

Eh, that's fair enough but I was only really counting what we saw because its what everyone does for Kyria (most people assume, me included, it was basically one or two unnamed attacks + Roaring Thunder). Also he did use Stealth IIRC.

As for the point about fighting her blind, while that is true Jacob isn't exactly impressive offensively. He failed to take down Lucy, someone Kyria has canonically one-shotted.

 

[Axiomus]

This was Mirajane vs Jacob: Jacob lands like 20 hits unanswered on a powerless Mirajane, and Mirajane just like shrugs off the damage. He then runs into a tree and does more damage to himself than he's ever dealt on anyone with his slaps. Then he lands a dozen more strikes unanswered, before Mirajane finally musters up the strength to use a takeover and then oneshots him with the very first punch she throws. This isn't just a bad showing. This is an embarrassing showing.

Kyria was in worse shape after Laxus' beating and could still fight until he finished her with his secret art, so I'm not buying that she couldn't continue to fight, even if she was injured. She was on her feet, she still wanted to fight, and thought she could take on all of team Natsu. Trying to pretend that Kyria on her feet saying "I'll cut them all down" is the same as Jacob unable to get off the ground saying "I'm beaten" is quite frankly ridiculous. More importantly, the the whole notion that Erza oneshotted Kyria is ridiculous to begin with. Here is Erza and Kyria is exchanging no less than half a dozen attacks.

Spoiler

They exchange another half dozen attacks before Kyria breaks Erza's sword, which forced Erza to activate the dragon slaying magic within her Belserion sword. By the time Erza "defeated" Kyria, she was already combo'ing her Belserion sword and flame empress armour with a named attack. If Jacob was fighting Erza he would get oneshot the moment she slashed him with a regular katana, given what a single punch from Mirajane could do. It would never even get to the point where Erza's sword breaks, and she has to kick it up a notch with the dragon slaying enchantment.

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Oh, and by the way....Kyria still has dragon force in her back pocket.

 

[Jko]

I see no reason in saying Kiria wouldn't get oneshotted with an all out strike from BSS. BSS was hurting Skullion and Madmole. One no sold a DeS sword and the other no sold a Demo-fist lol.

 

[grey matter]

This was Mirajane vs Jacob: Jacob lands like 20 hits unanswered on a powerless Mirajane, and Mirajane just like shrugs off the damage. He then runs into a tree and does more damage to himself than he's ever dealt on anyone with his slaps. Then he lands a dozen more strikes unanswered, before Mirajane finally musters up the strength to use a takeover and then oneshots him with the very first punch she throws. This isn't just a bad showing. This is an embarrassing showing.

All of this is anime only

 

[Axiomus]

All of this is anime only

So is Acnologia's back story.

 

[grey matter]

So is Acnologia's back story.

Yes it is. But Hiro siad in twitter it's canon?

 

[Ebony Maw]

I see no reason in saying Kiria wouldn't get oneshotted with an all out strike from BSS. BSS was hurting Skullion and Madmole. One no sold a DeS sword and the other no sold a Demo-fist lol.

Kyria:

A) Probably could tank a BSS punch since she only got KO'd by Roaring Thunder. Unless one nameless hit from BSS is somehow stronger than a named attack from Erza's Belserion sword or Laxus' Secret Art, I don't see how she's getting one-shotted (especially since the attack from Erza didn't even KO her).

B) Doesn't need to be able to tank a BSS strike. As it stands she's fighting Jacob, the guy that couldn't put down Lucy. In comparison Kyria straight up one-shotted her with a Roar.

Kyria just has better showings.

 

[Axiomus]

Yes it is. But Hiro siad in twitter it's canon?

Hiro has been working on the anime projects since the 2014 series. He also storyboarded the Key of Starry Night arc in the first season. Unless a filler contradicts the manga, which this doesn't, I don't see why it wouldn't be canon.

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Besides, it's not like it's any better if we go strictly by the manga. Mirajane still hasn't used a takeover by the time Makarov casts Fairy Law in chapter 505. Their fight started in chapter 496, before team Natsu even encountered Invel. That means Jacob has been fighting Mirajane without a takeover for the entire duration of:
1) Invel freezing Natsu, Lucy, and Happy
2) Gray fighting Invel
3) Natsu breaking out Invel's ice, and then Brandish kidnapping Natsu.
4) Gray finishing his fight with Invel
5) Natsu stomping Neinhart.
6) Brandish enlarging Natsu's demon seed, and then the entire fight with Lucy
7) Dimaria taking down Brandish and kidnapping Lucy
8) Natsu stomping Dimaira and heading off to kill Zeref.
9) Half of Gray's fight with Natsu.

Spoiler

 

[Jko]

Kyria:

A) Probably could tank a BSS punch since she only got KO'd by Roaring Thunder. Unless one nameless hit from BSS is somehow stronger than a named attack from Erza's Belserion sword or Laxus' Secret Art, I don't see how she's getting one-shotted (especially since the attack from Erza didn't even KO her).

B) Doesn't need to be able to tank a BSS strike. As it stands she's fighting Jacob, the guy that couldn't put down Lucy. In comparison Kyria straight up one-shotted her with a Roar.

Kyria just has better showings.

Laxus Secret Art is about as relevant as Gajeel's currently.

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Erza used her enchanted weapon with a fodder level armor. Also Laxus unlike Erza doesn't play around with his enemies. Erza has shown time and time again to stomp enemies who seem to be on her level when she stops toying around. Skullion saved her from the rest of Erza's assualt. Erza was out of her league.

Kiria only beat Lucy in one hit due to Lucy being low on magical power. Jacob could have killed a full powered Lucy in one hit had it not been for Natsu. He also shown to hit way above Fairy Glitter as he was able to almost destroy Mavis' crystal in one hit as opposed to the multiple hits it took FG to do.

Jacob also forced Natsu to use his second strongest mode for a reason.

Her feats aren't. Jacob gave Natsu trouble and was beating Natsu and Lucy in CQC. Kiria would have been demolished by Natsu if he could use his fire magic lol. Her bladed attacks were guarded by a Natsu who couldn't use it lol.

Why would we bring up her DF when it hasn't been shown and it is not in character for her to use? If we give her DF then Jacob gets his transport lol.

 

[Crimson Ice]

The post I responded to said she tanked Belserion sword, but in reality she was not.

Hardly to name it as "fight" if only one receive damage in process. More correct word is "battering".
And only reason someone could even stay and speak, because she was forcibly removed outside sword trajectory.
If you're knocked down by a mere vibration of sword, it's not hard to predict a result of actual cutting by that sword.

The vibration of Erza’s sword didn’t do that to Kiria, Erza got a clean hit and Kiria survived. The guy you responded to was wrong to say she ‘tanked’ it, but you were also wrong to say she got one shotted. Kiria survived.

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If she could, she would have and should have done it instead of just standing there like a nervous puppy, she does not listen to Skullion as she just fights regardless what he says, Skullion just interferes when she does not stop or is in danger. From what I see, if she did not fight back, it is one shot.

Kiria wasn’t incapacitated meaning she wasn’t one shotted. And no, she could and still wanted to fight but Skullion stopped her, ever since Skullion has been shown none of the dragon eaters bar Nabal has disobeyed him. ATTACKING SOMEONE AND THEM NOT BEING KNOCKED OUT OR GENERALLY INCAPACITATED MEANS IT WASNT A ONE SHOT.

 

[Axiomus]

Laxus Secret Art is about as relevant as Gajeel's currently.

Spoiler

Erza used her enchanted weapon with a fodder level armor. Also Laxus unlike Erza doesn't play around with his enemies. Erza has shown time and time again to stomp enemies who seem to be on her level when she stops toying around. Skullion saved her from the rest of Erza's assualt. Erza was out of her league.

Kiria only beat Lucy in one hit due to Lucy being low on magical power. Jacob could have killed a full powered Lucy in one hit had it not been for Natsu. He also shown to hit way above Fairy Glitter as he was able to almost destroy Mavis' crystal in one hit as opposed to the multiple hits it took FG to do.

Jacob also forced Natsu to use his second strongest mode for a reason.

Her feats aren't. Jacob gave Natsu trouble and was beating Natsu and Lucy in CQC. Kiria would have been demolished by Natsu if he could use his fire magic lol. Her bladed attacks were guarded by a Natsu who couldn't use it lol.

Why would we bring up her DF when it hasn't been shown and it is not in character for her to use? If we give her DF then Jacob gets his transport lol.

Jacob couldn't kill Lucy even when he had multiple unanswered hits.

He doesn't hit harder than Fairy Glitter either. He didn't almost destroy the crystal in one hit. He made a single crack.

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Cana was the one who completely shattered the crystal in one massive hit. The only reason she couldn't scratch the crystal before was because she held back on using Fairy Glitter's full power. The moment she went all out, the crystal completely shattered. At best, this tells us that Jacob hits harder than Cana's Fairy Glitter when she refuses to go all out. Big whoop. When she does go all out, she hits several times harder than he does.

Spoiler: Mavis saying that Cana should get serious and go all out, and Cana saying that she can't

Spoiler: Cana finally going all out

 

[Jko]

Jacob couldn't kill Lucy even when he had multiple unanswered hits.

He doesn't hit harder than Fairy Glitter either. He didn't almost destroy the crystal in one hit. He made a single crack.

Spoiler

Cana was the one who completely shattered the crystal in one massive hit. The only reason she couldn't scratch the crystal before was because she held back on using Fairy Glitter's full power. The moment she went all out, the crystal completely shattered. At best, this tells us that Jacob hits harder than Cana's Fairy Glitter when she refuses to go all out. Big whoop. When she does go all out, she hits several times harder than he does.

Spoiler: Mavis saying that Cana should get serious and go all out, and Cana saying that she can't

Spoiler: Cana finally going all out

Jacob was going to kill Lucy the first strike which is why Natsu came to the rescue. We all know in team up fights the secondary fighter usually doesn't get stomped despite the massive difference between the primary fighter and secondary fighter. Levy in the Gajeel fight, Wendy in the DiMaria fight, Lisanna in the Ajeel fight, Lucy in the Jackal fight, ect. Team up fights usually make it hard to down a secondary fighter bcs the primary fighter doesn't give them time or the secondary fighter somehow is capable of taking hits that hurt or harm the primary fighter.

Cana was still exhausted from using it which means she was still putting power behind her FG yet couldn't scratch it. It took a full power FG to break it while Jacob's attack was casual. So he does indeed hit harder than FG as he could have broken the crystal easily as shown by the huge crack he made in it when he was playing with Mavis.

You can also see in the page you brought up that a full power FG only cracks it again and it breaks so it only would have taken one more hit from Jacob's casual attack to break as well. So yeah, Jacob does hit a lot harder than Fairy Glitter.

 

[Axiomus]

Jacob was going to kill Lucy the first strike which is why Natsu came to the rescue. We all know in team up fights the secondary fighter usually doesn't get stomped despite the massive difference between the primary fighter and secondary fighter. Levy in the Gajeel fight, Wendy in the DiMaria fight, Lisanna in the Ajeel fight, Lucy in the Jackal fight, ect. Team up fights usually make it hard to down a secondary fighter bcs the primary fighter doesn't give them time or the secondary fighter somehow is capable of taking hits that hurt or harm the primary fighter.

Cana was still exhausted from using it which means she was still putting power behind her FG yet couldn't scratch it. It took a full power FG to break it while Jacob's attack was casual. So he does indeed hit harder than FG as he could have broken the crystal easily as shown by the huge crack he made in it when he was playing with Mavis.

You can also see in the page you brought up that a full power FG only cracks it again and it breaks so it only would have taken one more hit from Jacob's casual attack to break as well. So yeah, Jacob does hit a lot harder than Fairy Glitter.

Lucy had her arms up and that knife was way too small to do any real damage. Besides, Jacob ended up hitting Lucy a bunch of times later on and she was fine. It's not just Lucy. Jacob's attacks haven't done much to...well, anyone. Natsu is fine. Lucy is fine. Even Mirajane without any takeovers is fine.

Cana wasn't going all out before Mavis told her to. When she did go all out, she vaporizes Mavis' spirit and then the entire crystal is shattered. Jacob's attack made a single crack that doesn't even spread the entire width of the crystal. I mean, just looking at the crystal: Not only did Cana create more cracks, but each one of the individual cracks was larger than the only crack that Jacob made. Cana's all out Fairy Glitter is so obviously stronger than Jacob's attack. You can argue that Jacob's attacks were "casual" but it's not like he's shown anything else.

 

[WoWfan]

If she could, she would have and should have done it instead of just standing there like a nervous puppy, she does not listen to Skullion as she just fights regardless what he says, Skullion just interferes when she does not stop or is in danger. If she did not fight back, it is one shot

The vibration of Erza’s sword didn’t do that to Kiria, Erza got a clean hit and Kiria survived. The guy you responded to was wrong to say she ‘tanked’ it, but you were also wrong to say she got one shotted. Kiria survived.

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Kiria wasn’t incapacitated meaning she wasn’t one shotted. And no, she could and still wanted to fight but Skullion stopped her, ever since Skullion has been shown none of the dragon eaters bar Nabal has disobeyed him. ATTACKING SOMEONE AND THEM NOT BEING KNOCKED OUT OR GENERALLY INCAPACITATED MEANS IT WASNT A ONE SHOT.

there was no proof with her being able to fight, even Gray makes a point of this, Kyria had no reason to stop, even when Skullion was there. and since she didn’t show any means of fighting, it is by definition incapacitation, which is to prevent something from functioning normally, which is a one shot

 

[Seven777]

there was no proof with her being able to fight, even Gray makes a point of this, Kyria had no reason to stop, even when Skullion was there. and since she didn’t show any means of fighting, it is by definition incapacitation, which is to prevent something from functioning normally, which is a one shot

Kyria was left significantly more trashed after her off-panel fight with Laxus than she was after Belserion's strike, she was left trembling on the floor crapping her pants at how powerful her opponent was. If Kyria can get up after that then she's easily doing the same after Belserion's strike where she was still raring to go, not deterred in the slightest.

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Jacob was going to kill Lucy the first strike which is why Natsu came to the rescue. We all know in team up fights the secondary fighter usually doesn't get stomped despite the massive difference between the primary fighter and secondary fighter. Levy in the Gajeel fight, Wendy in the DiMaria fight, Lisanna in the Ajeel fight, Lucy in the Jackal fight, ect. Team up fights usually make it hard to down a secondary fighter bcs the primary fighter doesn't give them time or the secondary fighter somehow is capable of taking hits that hurt or harm the primary fighter.

Cana was still exhausted from using it which means she was still putting power behind her FG yet couldn't scratch it. It took a full power FG to break it while Jacob's attack was casual. So he does indeed hit harder than FG as he could have broken the crystal easily as shown by the huge crack he made in it when he was playing with Mavis.

You can also see in the page you brought up that a full power FG only cracks it again and it breaks so it only would have taken one more hit from Jacob's casual attack to break as well. So yeah, Jacob does hit a lot harder than Fairy Glitter.

No he wasn't, he specifically said he was going to torture her to death.

 

[WoWfan]

Actions speak louder than works, and her personality is just attack, attack and attack, not standing around and barking, which is what she did after getting hit by Erza, she could not fight anymore, plain and simple

 

[Crimson Ice]

there was no proof with her being able to fight, even Gray makes a point of this, Kyria had no reason to stop, even when Skullion was there. and since she didn’t show any means of fighting, it is by definition incapacitation, which is to prevent something from functioning normally, which is a one shot

Gray makes the point and Kiria contests it. Kiria listens to Skullion, what do you mean she has no point to stop. You literally ignoring that Skullion LEADS that little trio of dragon eaters. Kiria was able to move so unless she ran out of magic she wasn’t incapacitated, so no, it wasn’t a one shot. Don’t reply to me if you’re going to repeat the same shit.

 

[WoWfan]

Which Kyria had no means to backing up that claim, she does not, she never listens (except once but that is only with circumstances are not favorable), skullion just gets in the way everytime, Kyria does not stop because that is her gimmick, to simply fight for the sake of fighting, moving is not the same as fighting which she could not do, incapacitation is to be unable to do something in a normal way, I could say the same thing to you if you are not going to listen.