Fantasy Laxus Dreyar vs Erza Scarlet

[Ramen]

Oh here we go. This is definitely gonna start something. @sharkai Where you at bro?

 

[sharkai]

Oh here we go. This is definitely gonna start something. @sharkai Where you at bro?

damn
fine i will give my opnion
ff laxus is pretty much pre ts laxus. laxus really doesnt have much feats other than ff arc ones.

so i am gonna start with some statements
feats above statements.
same level characters generally have same level durability
aoe means nothing, unless you can turn it into a laser or something, you know concentrate it on one point.
(o also if the guy just got up from being wrecked, his hp isnt 100%, lol)

so start, i have natsu, aria, gajeel and pantherlily
aria was well above natsu in phantom arc, gajeel was said to be above aria.
gajeel fought pantherlily to a stalemate in edolas arc.

in other words, these characters are around eachother (yes, natsu keeps on going and going, while bad guys fall. but thats more plot than anything, lets just put that in endurance department)
so i have blumblatt, Grand chariot, lightening dragon roar and tower brust around same level.
sadly, laxus only has lightening halbert above this, and thats all (i am not including fairy law).
erza meanwhile has purgatory, armudura above blumblatt

then we have speed.
only link we can make is with jellal meteor. which blitz natsu. racer did was more impressive with more people. yet still couldnt hit erza. giving benefit to laxus
we can say their speed are same too


laxus has better durablity. and erza has better endurance.

now
laxus vs natsu
in my definition laxus can mid diff natsu, not low diff
laxus needs lightening dragon roar and halbert to completely take out natsu. (which are his strongest moves)
now, why dont we give natsu lightening empress armor. it will break sure. but it still will be usefull
let say
natsu = roar + halbert
lightening empress armour natsu= roar + roar + halbert (i think this is fair)

but we still have admantine defense armor. that thing took jupiter, which would have killed natsu gray elfman loke and the guild. apparently they couldn't stop it. soo saying jupiter equal to two halbert is huge downgrade for jupiter (freed even said natsu might not be able to take halbert in hi condition). but lets just go with it


natsu = roar + halbert
lightening empress armour natsu= roar + roar + halbert
admantine armor + lightening empress armor natsu = roar + roar + halbert + halbert + halbert

thats two roars and three halberts . have we ever even seen a fight where a character used their strongest move three times? this is high diff fight for laxus.
now replace natsu with erza. whether people like it or not in pre ts erza was portrayed far above natsu (much more of this portrayal exist than the few portrayals of laxus being above erza). (yes, erza thought natsu was around her, she also thought natsu can take laxus, bith of these thoughts came from the same place)

if going by pure feats. ff laxus is gonna lose mid diff to pre ts erza. thats the best he can do.


portrayal wise, they are around each other. no one ever said laxus is stronger than erza, mishma didnt show laxus was supperior in their bout either (which was imo the best time), jellal, laxus and jura were pretty much around 10 WS tier. erza was also said to be a WS tier. that gmg s class monster was also around the same tier.
in gmg, laxus got the stronger opponent, but erza was compensated by getting two next strongest opponent (basically august and two lacarde). in alverzec, erza got the stronger opponent. ajeel and wahl were immune to erza and laxus magic. marin held erza down for a long time, laxus was suffering from cancer. erza won with help of bisca, laxus won with pof (only laxus die hard fans ignored this pof)

(and yes, laxus performed alot better than erza against hades, but keep in mind erza already fought more than gildarts, was more injured than gildarts too)

overall, i think laxus might win, but it with extreme diff. after that happy might be able to take out laxus.

 

[Seven777]

damn
fine i will give my opnion
ff laxus is pretty much pre ts laxus. laxus really doesnt have much feats other than ff arc ones.

so i am gonna start with some statements
feats above statements.
same level characters generally have same level durability
aoe means nothing, unless you can turn it into a laser or something, you know concentrate it on one point.
(o also if the guy just got up from being wrecked, his hp isnt 100%, lol)

so start, i have natsu, aria, gajeel and pantherlily
aria was well above natsu in phantom arc, gajeel was said to be above aria.
gajeel fought pantherlily to a stalemate in edolas arc.

in other words, these characters are around eachother (yes, natsu keeps on going and going, while bad guys fall. but thats more plot than anything, lets just put that in endurance department)
so i have blumblatt, Grand chariot, lightening dragon roar and tower brust around same level.
sadly, laxus only has lightening halbert above this, and thats all (i am not including fairy law).
erza meanwhile has purgatory, armudura above blumblatt

then we have speed.
only link we can make is with jellal meteor. which blitz natsu. racer did was more impressive with more people. yet still couldnt hit erza. giving benefit to laxus
we can say their speed are same too


laxus has better durablity. and erza has better endurance.

now
laxus vs natsu
in my definition laxus can mid diff natsu, not low diff
laxus needs lightening dragon roar and halbert to completely take out natsu. (which are his strongest moves)
now, why dont we give natsu lightening empress armor. it will break sure. but it still will be usefull
let say
natsu = roar + halbert
lightening empress armour natsu= roar + roar + halbert (i think this is fair)

but we still have admantine defense armor. that thing took jupiter, which would have killed natsu gray elfman loke and the guild. apparently they couldn't stop it. soo saying jupiter equal to two halbert is huge downgrade for jupiter (freed even said natsu might not be able to take halbert in hi condition). but lets just go with it


natsu = roar + halbert
lightening empress armour natsu= roar + roar + halbert
admantine armor + lightening empress armor natsu = roar + roar + halbert + halbert + halbert

thats two roars and three halberts . have we ever even seen a fight where a character used their strongest move three times? this is high diff fight for laxus.
now replace natsu with erza. whether people like it or not in pre ts erza was portrayed far above natsu (much more of this portrayal exist than the few portrayals of laxus being above erza). (yes, erza thought natsu was around her, she also thought natsu can take laxus, bith of these thoughts came from the same place)

if going by pure feats. ff laxus is gonna lose mid diff to pre ts erza. thats the best he can do.


portrayal wise, they are around each other. no one ever said laxus is stronger than erza, mishma didnt show laxus was supperior in their bout either (which was imo the best time), jellal, laxus and jura were pretty much around 10 WS tier. erza was also said to be a WS tier. that gmg s class monster was also around the same tier.
in gmg, laxus got the stronger opponent, but erza was compensated by getting two next strongest opponent (basically august and two lacarde). in alverzec, erza got the stronger opponent. ajeel and wahl were immune to erza and laxus magic. marin held erza down for a long time, laxus was suffering from cancer. erza won with help of bisca, laxus won with pof (only laxus die hard fans ignored this pof)

(and yes, laxus performed alot better than erza against hades, but keep in mind erza already fought more than gildarts, was more injured than gildarts too)

overall, i think laxus might win, but it with extreme diff. after that happy might be able to take out laxus.

1. How is Blumenbatt on the same level as Tower Burst? Azuma swatted it aside with a branch.
2. Blitzing Hades>>>keeping up with Racer, no benefit of the doubt is needed for Laxus
3. Laxus didn't need either of those spells to beat Natsu, he was going to kill him with Raging Bolt before Gajeel arrived.
4. Laxus used his roar, Halberd and Fairy Law all in the same fight, so yeah, we've seen that.
5. By pure feats Laxus lose mid diff? In what universe?, Erza has no preskip feats above Laxus.
6. Erza wasn't more injured than Gildarts, Gildarts couldn't even move.

 

[sharkai]

1. How is Blumenbatt on the same level as Tower Burst? Azuma swatted it aside with a branch.
2. Blitzing Hades>>>keeping up with Racer, no benefit of the doubt is needed for Laxus
3. Laxus didn't need either of those spells to beat Natsu, he was going to kill him with Raging Bolt before Gajeel arrived.
4. Laxus used his roar, Halberd and Fairy Law all in the same fight, so yeah, we've seen that.
5. By pure feats Laxus lose mid diff? In what universe?, Erza has no preskip feats above Laxus.
6. Erza wasn't more injured than Gildarts, Gildarts couldn't even move. Sure she got her ass wrecked, but so did Natsu by Aria, still managed to take down Gajeel.

sigh i try to compare where i can ok.
azuma is alot stronger than pantherlily, its not the same, the way you are comparing

i cant say since pre ts laxus blitz hades he is faster than alverzec ajeel also ok
there is no way to compare hades blitzing feat

no. gajeel who is around aria, natsu and pantherlily took a roar from laxus (which wrecked him) and then took halbert and was taken completely out.

majority of pre ts erza feats are above pre ts laxus feat. of course if you say all erza opponents are natsu tier, erza feats goes below

doesnt matter gildarts couldnt move. erza gave up hope of fighting to save her guild. she was gonna die and her entire family was gonna die. only reason she survived is because fairy tail power refuse to kill her.

 

[Seven777]

sigh i try to compare where i can ok.
azuma is alot stronger than pantherlily, its not the same, the way you are comparing

i cant say since pre ts laxus blitz hades he is faster than alverzec ajeel also ok
there is no way to compare hades blitzing feat

no. gajeel who is around aria, natsu and pantherlily took a roar from laxus (which wrecked him) and then took halbert and was taken completely out.

majority of pre ts erza feats are above pre ts laxus feat. of course if you say all erza opponents are natsu tier, erza feats goes below

doesnt matter gildarts couldnt move. erza gave up hope of fighting to save her guild. she was gonna die and her entire family was gonna die. only reason she survived is because fairy tail power refuse to kill her.

1. So? What's that got to do with Blumentbatt being Tower Burst tier?
2. There is, Hades is faster than Racer. Don't know what Ajeel has to do with anything
3. No, Natsu was about to go down to Raging Bolt, we saw this.
4. How? What Erza done preskip that's above Laxus?
5. So? She still got up afterwards, Gildarts didn't, ergo Erza was less injured. Fairy Tail power supporting her is simply the reason she is less injured

 

[sharkai]

1. So? What's that got to do with Blumentbatt being Tower Burst tier?
2. There is, Hades is faster than Racer. Don't know what Ajeel has to do with anything
3. No, Natsu was about to go down to Raging Bolt, we saw this.
4. How? What Erza done preskip that's above Laxus?
5. So? She still got up afterwards, Gildarts didn't, ergo Erza was less injured. Fairy Tail power supporting her is simply the reason she is less injured

aria and pantherlily and gajeel are around the same level

hades is not faster than racer (slowing magic). he has no such feat of blitzing natsu like racer had

then why was natsu fighting even after getting hit by laxus roar. shouldnt he be dead. i think the roar s stronger than raging bolt

it depends, on how you scale opponents. laxus has only shown to take out natsu tier opponents. natsu fight his own tier opponents. erza fights opponents a tier above natsu. thus erza taken stronger opponents than laxus

nope. she just staggering around. she has more stamina than gildards or plot

 

[Seven777]

aria and pantherlily and gajeel are around the same level

hades is not faster than racer (slowing magic). he has no such feat of blitzing natsu like racer had

then why was natsu fighting even after getting hit by laxus roar. shouldnt he be dead. i think the roar s stronger than raging bolt

it depends, on how you scale opponents. laxus has only shown to take out natsu tier opponents. natsu fight his own tier opponents. erza fights opponents a tier above natsu. thus erza taken stronger opponents than laxus

nope. she just staggering around. she has more stamina than gildards or plot

1. Don't see how you came to that conclusion.
2. Sure he does, he tore apart the entirety of team Natsu at the same time, he was faster than all of them, much more impressive than Racer blitzing Natsu
3. Simple, he recovered.
4. Laxus took on Natsu+Gajeel tier opponents, none of Erza's foes were that tier
5. Or, Gildarts was more injured because he fought an opponent leagues above Erza's and endured it with no magic

 

[sharkai]

1. Don't see how you came to that conclusion.
2. Sure he does, he tore apart the entirety of team Natsu at the same time, he was faster than all of them, much more impressive than Racer blitzing Natsu
3. Simple, he recovered.
4. Laxus took on Natsu+Gajeel tier opponents, none of Erza's foes were that tier
5. Or, Gildarts was more injured because he fought an opponent leagues above Erza's and endured it with no magic

aria vs natsu, natsu vs gajeel, gajeel vs pantherlily

hades didnt wreck them with speed. look at the panel, where racer blitz natsu. i think it was even more impressive than the way jellal blitz natsu. hades didnt blitz natsu at all

so expect him to recover from that too. even halbert wasnt going to kill natsu. didnt fareed say it will kill natsu is the state he is

natsu+gajeel isnt a tier.

irrelevant, gildarts himself was league above erza

 

[Seven777]

aria vs natsu, natsu vs gajeel, gajeel vs pantherlily

hades didnt wreck them with speed. look at the panel, where racer blitz natsu. i think it was even more impressive than the way jellal blitz natsu. hades didnt blitz natsu at all

so expect him to recover from that too. even halbert wasnt going to kill natsu. didnt gajeel say it will kill natsu is the state he is

natsu+gajeel isnt a tier.

irrelevant, gildarts himself was league above erza

1. Natsu was a cut above Aria when he fought Gajeel
2. He kinda did, he just didn't have to move to do it. Though he does move when he outpaces speed enchanted Erza and Gray.
3. No, the manga clearly implied he would've been K.O'd. The attacks dont have to kill him, just end the fight.
4. It is, and it's above anything Erza had fought preskip
5. Sure, with magic he is, without it he is not.

 

[sharkai]

1. Natsu was a cut above Aria when he fought Gajeel
2. He kinda did, he just didn't have to move to do it. Though he does move when he outpaces speed enchanted Erza and Gray.
3. No, the manga clearly implied he would've been K.O'd. The attacks dont have to kill him, just end the fight.
4. It is, and it's above anything Erza had fought preskip
5. Sure, with magic he is, without it he is not.

if character can be cut above someone who already beat them in one page, then why are we having this discussion. laxus can beat erza low diff, and in the next page erza could be cut above laxus too. so featwise aria= natsu=gajeel=pantherlily. with some variation obviously

reacting is not same as blitzing. hades didnt blitz anyone

we already know what it takes to put down natsu. one roar plus one halbert. everything else we dont know.

natsu + gajeel isnt a tier mate. stop being funny.

err, we dont really know what happens without magic. markariv was supposed to die without it and yet gildarts... maybe you could show me some nukes bluenote used against gildarts when gildarts didnt have any magic. i think there was even a panel where blunote and gildarts stop to watch as tera clemare unfold. did erza and azuma also stop from any bluenote nukes? easier answer is its just plot, dont look into it to deeply, and dont treat erza as if she is perfectly ok. and then scale laxus from it lol

 

[Seven777]

if character can be cut above someone who already beat them in one page, then why are we having this discussion. laxus can beat erza low diff, and in the next page erza could be cut above laxus too. so featwise aria= natsu=gajeel=pantherlily. with some variation obviously

reacting is not same as blitzing. hades didnt blitz anyone

we already know what it takes to put down natsu. one roar plus one halbert. everything else we dont know.

natsu + gajeel isnt a tier mate. stop being funny.

err, we dont really know what happens without magic. markariv was supposed to die without it and yet gildarts... maybe you could show me some nukes bluenote used against gildarts when gildarts didnt have any magic. i think there was even a panel where blunote and gildarts stop to watch as tera clemare unfold. did erza and azuma also stop from any bluenote nukes? easier answer is its just plot, dont look into it to deeply, and dont treat erza as if she is perfectly ok. and then scale laxus from it lol

1. All discussions are pointless, it's all for entertainment, at the end of the day Mashima will do whatever he wants. Just last week he says Gajeel is still on par with Natsu lol.
2. He fingerbanged the lot and they couldn't react, that's blitzing.
3. We do, as it was clearly portrayed by the manga
4. Why wouldn't they be a tier lol? What is this distinction you're making? Tier is just a made up term by the fans. Might as well say Erza isn't a tier, Natsu isn't a tier. Natsu+Gajeel tier is exactly what it sounds like, people on par with Natsu and Gajeel combined.
5. Sure we do, it made Gildarts go from overwhelming Bluenote, to getting the shit kicked out of him. He was objectively far less of a match for Bluenote than Erza was for Azuma. As for treating Erza as if she was fine, I only do that because that's what the manga did.

 

[sharkai]

1. All discussions are pointless, it's all for entertainment, at the end of the day Mashima will do whatever he wants. Just last week he says Gajeel is still on par with Natsu lol.
2. He fingerbanged the lot and they couldn't react, that's blitzing.
3. We do, as it was clearly portrayed by the manga
4. Why wouldn't they be a tier lol? What is this distinction you're making? Tier is just a made up term by the fans. Might as well say Erza isn't a tier, Natsu isn't a tier. Natsu+Gajeel tier is exactly what it sounds like, people on par with Natsu and Gajeel combined.
5. Sure we do, it made Gildarts go from overwhelming Bluenote, to getting the shit kicked out of him. He was objectively far less of a match for Bluenote than Erza was for Azuma. As for treating Erza as if she was fine, I only do that because that's what the manga did.

exactly so saying aria=gajeel=natsu=pantherlily is fine, featwise

no fingerbanged lol. thats no blitzing. spamming maybe

no comments

ok ok think of it this way. wrecked erza vs aria + aria or azuma vs panthlily + pantherlily. its not gonna change much one extra blumblatt or tower brust.

manga never shows erza was 100%

 

[Seven777]

exactly so saying aria=gajeel=natsu=pantherlily is fine, featwise

no fingerbanged lol. thats no blitzing. spamming maybe

no comments

ok ok think of it this way. wrecked erza vs aria + aria or azuma vs panthlily + pantherlily. its not gonna change much one extra blumblatt or tower brust.

manga never shows erza was 100%

1. Not really, since we know Gajeel>Aria
2. Sure, spamming, blitzing, whatever, point is Natsu couldn't keep up, Laxus could, in terms of speed it outmatches Racer by far.
3. Pantherlily is a match for Gajeel with a sword and infinite time, Aria is not a match for Gajeel. Both Erza and Azuma lose to Natsu and Gajeel
4. Also makes no mention of her being weakened in that fight

 

[sharkai]

1. Not really, since we know Gajeel>Aria
2. Sure, spamming, blitzing, whatever, point is Natsu couldn't keep up, Laxus could, in terms of speed it outmatches Racer by far.
3. Pantherlily is a match for Gajeel with a sword and infinite time, Aria is not a match for Gajeel. Both Erza and Azuma lose to Natsu and Gajeel
4. Also makes no mention of her being weakened in that fight

already mentioned, in my first post above feats > statments

how are you comparing this with racer again

without it pantherlily was fine too, its not like he himself was in a hurry or something. feats>statement. not if, natsau and gajeel are around aria and pantherlily. but if you want to say whatver you want, you can say laxus lose to lucy as well, its your choice but i dont think my logic actually has any holes in it

except lines all over her. if we are to assume erza was 100% against hades, we can also assume laxus was 100% before natsu one shot him ff arc. no need to look at even a second before that

 

[Seven777]

already mentioned, in my first post above feats > statments

how are you comparing this with racer again

without it pantherlily was fine too, its not like he himself was in a hurry or something. feats>statement. not if, natsau and gajeel are around aria and pantherlily. but if you want to say whatver you want, you can say laxus lose to lucy as well, its your choice but i dont think my logic actually has any holes in it

except lines all over her. if we are to assume erza was 100% against hades, we can also assume laxus was 100% before natsu one shot him ff arc. no need to look at even a second before that

1. Aria has no feats on Gajeels level
2. Natsu and Gray failed to react to Racer, the entirety of team Natsu failed to react to Hades.
3. No, the reason Pantherlily lost the way he did was because of his lack of sword and time, it was made clear in the manga. The hole in your logic is comparing Natsu and Gajeel to characters we know for a fact are weaker than they are.
4. Lines are over everyone all the time, Natsu had lots of lines when he fought Gajeel too. Nah, Natsu and Gajeel vs Laxus were one fight.

 

[sharkai]

1. Aria has no feats on Gajeels level
2. Natsu and Gray failed to react to Racer, the entirety of team Natsu failed to react to Hades.
3. No, the reason Pantherlily lost the way he did was because of his lack of sword and time, it was made clear in the manga. The hole in your logic is comparing Natsu and Gajeel to characters we know for a fact are weaker than they are.
4. Lines are over everyone all the time, Natsu had lots of lines when he fought Gajeel too. Nah, Natsu and Gajeel vs Laxus were one fight.

what feat phatom gajeel has? last time i checked, blind aria was low diffing natsu
you mean natsu and gray could barely see racer. the team was reacting to him, they were dodging and attacking.
erm, manga made it clear that pantherlily was nowhere near azuma. the manga made it clear that one tower brust wrecked him

natsu lost to blind aria. but somehow natsu is stronger? pantherlily without sword stalemated gajeel, but somehow he is weaker?

so? doesnt matter it was one fight, laxus recovered. just like erza did and gildarts apparently didnt

i dont think laxus even blitz hades properly, but somehow with this confusing information you can compare this with racer. try to use same people.

you think hades fight is a valid comparison, even though gildarts like characters cant even fuking move. all i am saying dont compare this because erza aint fresh, but no, you have to show laxus is stronger than erza by showing laxus is stronger than wrecked erza.

 

[Seven777]

what feat phatom gajeel has? last time i checked, blind aria was low diffing natsu
you mean natsu and gray could barely see racer. the team was reacting to him, they were dodging and attacking.
erm, manga made it clear that pantherlily was nowhere near azuma. the manga made it clear that one tower brust wrecked him

natsu lost to blind aria. but somehow natsu is stronger? pantherlily without sword stalemated gajeel, but somehow he is weaker?

so? doesnt matter it was one fight, laxus recovered. just like erza did and gildarts apparently didnt

i dont think laxus even blitz hades properly, but somehow with this confusing information you can compare this with racer. try to use same people.

you think hades fight is a valid comparison, even though gildarts like characters cant even fuking move. all i am saying dont compare this because erza aint fresh, but no, you have to show laxus is stronger than erza by showing laxus is stronger than wrecked erza.

1. He fought empowered Natsu, Aria fought regular Natsu
2. First phase they kept up decently, though Hades could still outspeed enchanted Gray and Erza which in itself is better than Racer. Second phase when he started getting serious they were completely helpless, they couldn't do anything against him
3. Yes and Yes. The Natsu that fought Gajeel is stronger than Aria, because Gajeel is confirmed stronger than Aria and yes Pantherlily with his sword is stronger than him without it, that's why Mashima felt the need to mention it in his fight with Azuma. As for why Pantherlily kept fighting without his sword, why wouldn't he? Erza does that too, she's still better with her weapon, which is why not being able to requip against Ajeel was such a big deal.
4. Outsped Hades and Hades couldn't react, I don't know about you, but I call that a blitz. I am using the same people, Hades was harder for Team Natsu to react to than Racer was.
5. Of course it's valid, Gray said they were going at it full power. I can buy them getting beaten faster due to injuries, nothing however suggests their stats were lower, on the contrary with Wendy there their stats were higher. As for me having to show Laxus was stronger, not really, Gray already categorized him and Gildarts above, the Hades fight is merely a demonstration of it.
As for Gildarts not moving, like I said, was getting shat on by Bluenote without any magic.

 

[sharkai]

1. He fought empowered Natsu, Aria fought regular Natsu
2. First phase they kept up decently, though Hades could still outspeed enchanted Gray and Erza which in itself is better than Racer. Second phase when he started getting serious they were completely helpless, they couldn't do anything against him
3. Yes and Yes. The Natsu that fought Gajeel is stronger than Aria, because Gajeel is confirmed stronger than Aria and yes Pantherlily with his sword is stronger than him without it, that's why Mashima felt the need to mention it in his fight with Azuma. As for why Pantherlily kept fighting without his sword, why wouldn't he? Erza does that too, she's still better with her weapon, which is why not being able to requip against Ajeel was such a big deal.
4. Outsped Hades and Hades couldn't react, I don't know about you, but I call that a blitz. I am using the same people, Hades was harder for Team Natsu to react to than Racer was.
5. Of course it's valid, Gray said they were going at it full power. I can buy them getting beaten faster due to injuries, nothing however suggests their stats were lower, on the contrary with Wendy there their stats were higher. As for me having to show Laxus was stronger, not really, Gray already categorized him and Gildarts above, the Hades fight is merely a demonstration of it.
As for Gildarts not moving, like I said, was getting shat on by Bluenote without any magic.

empowered by what? also gajeel lost to empowered natsu, blind aria low diffed regular natsu.

hades never out sped them, he tanked and attacked. at no point was he faster. casting spell fast sure, that still not complete movement like jellal and racer. and you yourself are saying them getting beaten faster because of their injuries you can also add that here

confirmed by a statement, after aria was taken out. his feats arent there. doesnt matter, without the sword pantherlily didnt get low diffed by gajeel. infact did gajeel even take him out

laxus never out sped hades. they stood at close counter. laxus hit first and after that eh whaled on him (even you can do this with muhammad ali or mike tyson) once hades got his bearing laxus pretty much got low diffed, other than him tanking 25 formula, he did nothing note worthy

hades took out the wrecked team with his powers, racer straight up blitz them. its not the same.

ok ok, so laxus durablity wasnt lower when he got taken out by natsu. nothing suggests that laxus stats would be lower right. so natsu straight up took 100% of laxus hp with those last moves. wendy enchantment? that just mean pantherlily was stronger than gajeel when he got low diffed by azuma

not really, gray also catogarized erza above, you ignored that

so was erza. and got hit by nukes, which actually stopped bluenote and gildarts. she actually thought she will die

 

[Seven777]

empowered by what? also gajeel lost to empowered natsu, blind aria low diffed regular natsu.

hades never out sped them, he tanked and attacked. at no point was he faster. casting spell fast sure, that still not complete movement like jellal and racer. and you yourself are saying them getting beaten faster because of their injuries you can also add that here

confirmed by a statement, after aria was taken out. his feats arent there. doesnt matter, without the sword pantherlily didnt get low diffed by gajeel. infact did gajeel even take him out

laxus never out sped hades. they stood at close counter. laxus hit first and after that eh whaled on him (even you can do this with muhammad ali or mike tyson) once hades got his bearing laxus pretty much got low diffed, other than him tanking 25 formula, he did nothing note worthy

hades took out the wrecked team with his powers, racer straight up blitz them. its not the same.

ok ok, so laxus durablity wasnt lower when he got taken out by natsu. nothing suggests that laxus stats would be lower right. so natsu straight up took 100% of laxus hp with those last moves. wendy enchantment? that just mean pantherlily was stronger than gajeel when he got low diffed by azuma

not really, gray also catogarized erza above, you ignored that

so was erza. and got hit by nukes, which actually stopped bluenote and gildarts. she actually thought she will die

1. The dormant power he hadn't yet unlocked.
2. He was faster, they got a few hits in when he was holding back using their superior numbers, but once he was serious they couldn't react to anything he did.
3. Yeah, confirmed by statement. Doesn't matter, just means a sword would be more useful against Azuma than Gajeel.
4. He outsped him in every encounter. Hades literally looked at Laxus fly out of Ameterasu only for Laxus to already be kicking him in the back before he realized it. Oh, and it's incredibly noteworthy, according to the entirety of team Natsu including Erza.
5. No? Laxus' hp was already lowered during the fight. Hah, if you wanna say that Erza was above her normal strength against Hades due to her enchantments, then sure
6. Not on the level of monsters like Laxus and Gildarts
7. Erza had magic, and the protection of Tenrou, Gildarts was more injured

 

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1. The dormant power he hadn't yet unlocked.
2. He was faster, they got a few hits in when he was holding back using their superior numbers, but once he was serious they couldn't react to anything he did.
3. Yeah, confirmed by statement. Doesn't matter, just means a sword would be more useful against Azuma than Gajeel.
4. He outsped him in every encounter. Hades literally looked at Laxus fly out of Ameterasu only for Laxus to already be kicking him in the back before he realized it. Oh, and it's incredibly noteworthy, according to the entirety of team Natsu including Erza.
5. No? Laxus' hp was already lowered during the fight. Hah, if you wanna say that Erza was above her normal strength against Hades due to her enchantments, then sure
6. Not on the level of monsters like Laxus and Gildarts
7. Erza had magic, and the protection of Tenrou, Gildarts was more injured

1. yeah i am not buying that mate. no one mentioned that natsu has dramatically increased in power after phantom arc. his development was normal.
natsu => gray (lullyby arc)
natsu => gray (heaven arc)
2. because he was strong, and they were weak and injured.
3. exactly, as i said feats > statement in my arguments at this moment. i am already saying gajeel>=aria, i think that is reasonable (so basically you are blowing a hole through my logic by a statement nothing more, aria is not weaker than gajeel on purely feat bases). that makes no sense, are you implying edolas arc pantherlily= edolas arc gajeel>azuma or something?
4. Ameterasu was the only impressive thing laxus did. ok ok, what was the starting distance when laxus vs hades was about to begin, what was the starting distance fairy tail team vs hades begin. did both land hits, or only laxus did? did laxus hit after hades recovered from the initial hit or was still reeling from the first hit (not including Ameterasu tank)
5. thats the point, you cant say one guy who just had near death experience is 100% and then say the other guy (who mind you was tiers above his opponents) was somehow not 100% in hp
6. sadly no. erza was there, gray wasnt gonna make a comment when she is there. later he would say she probably already had SO
7. ok so show me a panel where gildarts is dieing and accepting his death, or atleast show me a panel where he is knocked out or something