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Participant 1
God serena : Dragon slayer magic
Participant 2
Laxus : Lightning dragon slayer magic

Who wins ?
 

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God Serena takes this with easy diff.
 

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Assuming God Serena doesn't have a lightning DS lacrima inside of him I give this to Laxus, high difficulty.

@Ice devil slayer - do we assume Laxus doesn't get sick or effected by his illness?
 

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God Serena, of course. we dont know all the ds elements that God Serena have, and already with helf from his power im pretty sure he will easly take Laxus down.
 

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Assuming God Serena doesn't have a lightning DS lacrima inside of him I give this to Laxus, high difficulty.

@Ice devil slayer - do we assume Laxus doesn't get sick or effected by his illness?
No laxus doesn't get sick or effected by his illness because he would be too easy for serena
 

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Well I predict a high difficulty battle regardless of the outcome but for laxus, it's a bit early to say for sure if he'd win. Serena is definitely powerful. He's strong enough to be a spriggan as well as take out the 4 highest ranking WS on his own. Laxus on the other hand showed that he might just have easily defeated a spriggan (who can probably also defeat the GoI), or at least it was implied by Ajeel's disbelieving face and August intervening to save him. I'm leaning more towards Serena for now, but that could easily change when we saw Laxus' true worth
 

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By feats alone I give it to Laxus. God Serena's Water and Cavern attack aren't doing anything to Laxus. Neither is his wind attack. Laxus is faster and has bigger nukes. I will give this to Laxus mid difficulty. Serena might have more different types of Dragon slayer magic but Laxus has better CQC skills, Durability feats, Raw power, Speed, etc.
 

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By feats alone I give it to Laxus. God Serena's Water and Cavern attack aren't doing anything to Laxus. Neither is his wind attack. Laxus is faster and has bigger nukes. I will give this to Laxus mid difficulty. Serena might have more different types of Dragon slayer magic but Laxus has better CQC skills, Durability feats, Raw power, Speed, etc.
God Serena posses more spells than the one you said. He'll probably have another spell which is super effective against him. Laxus defeating God Serena with mid diff looks almost impossible for me. You must not forget that God Serena is a Spriggan and the strongest mage from Ishgar. If Laxus defeat him, what is almost impossible in my opinion, he'd do it with extreme high diff.
 

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No way laxus mid diff god serena..
 

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This battle is pretty obvious at this point. The outcome isn't necessarily a landslide but it definitely isn't that hard to predict the winner either.
  • God Serena > Laxus [Medium Difficulty]
Aside from Laxus' illness, there is little Laxus can do to win this fight if he were by himself. I mean we haven't seen any true feats from Laxus yet but if he were to have the sickness, the battle would result in Easy Difficulty if that. God Serena definitely has better stats than him. I feel that the battle of the Gods of Ishgar vs. God Serena was executed perfectly but misinterpreted by fans very badly. After that chapter, most people took it as the Gods of Ishgar are weak; therefore, Fairy Tail's top mages are way stronger than them... I am pretty sure this battle was depicted by Hiro Mashima to show that the Spriggans are not people to mess with.

Now of course, some of Fairy Tail's mages are up there but none of them can defeat a Spriggan solo. It doesn't matter which one. Especially God Serena, unless you claim that someone like Laxus can defeat, Hyberion, Wolfheim, Warrod, and Jura. That would completely ignorant considering the events that have happened so far.

Same goes for Brandish and Ajeel. Most people overlooked Ajeel's fight because they think Ajeel got beaten by 'weak' Erza when in fact, it shows that he was able to survive such a difficult match even for Fairy Tail's mages. In a similar situation, many people ignored Brandish's true power because of how she is portrayed in recent chapters when she actually has the power to pinpoint a tumor inside a body as well as shrink it.
 
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The problem with this discussion is that you guys are basing your stuff off of hype rather then feats. We can only go off the 4 spells God Serena used because everything else would be speculation which wouldn't really be a good arguement that he wins. God Serena hasn't shown any CQC skills, No speed feats, no physical strength feats and the spells he did show were strong but nothing compared to the Nuke Laxus used against Azir, nor was any of those attacks the size of Azir sands of Death.

You guys are saying God Serena would win because of a title which shouldn't be taken seriously as we have already seen a Non wizard saint beat a wizard saint multiple times. Also you want to say he would win because he beat the other 3 gods of Ishgar and Jura easily but did any of those characters feats outclasses current Laxus's or even come close? No they didn't.
 

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I don't understand the logic of people who say Laxus wins, or even gives Serena trouble. I understand that Serena vs the GoI was off-paneled but come on, whatever he did was obviously more impressive than anything Laxus has done. Serena beat Jura and 3 mages casually who are > Laxus.

Serena's just in another league right now until Laxus shows more feats. Hence, Serena wins quite handily.
 

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The problem with this discussion is that you guys are basing your stuff off of hype rather then feats. We can only go off the 4 spells God Serena used because everything else would be speculation which wouldn't really be a good arguement that he wins. God Serena hasn't shown any CQC skills, No speed feats, no physical strength feats and the spells he did show were strong but nothing compared to the Nuke Laxus used against Azir, nor was any of those attacks the size of Azir sands of Death.

You guys are saying God Serena would win because of a title which shouldn't be taken seriously as we have already seen a Non wizard saint beat a wizard saint multiple times. Also you want to say he would win because he beat the other 3 gods of Ishgar and Jura easily but did any of those characters feats outclasses current Laxus's or even come close? No they didn't.
Ok, well, first of all, I understand that the battle between God Serena and Gods of Ishgar was off-paneled, but we did see some feats from God Serena. After being hit by 4 attacks from each of the wizard saints, he still managed to hit and almost kill every one of them. Even Hyberion's attack, which is pretty OP in itself, had little effect on God Serena as the paralysis couldn't do much to him.

Second of all, if what the Gods of Ishgar did was hype, Laxus would be in the same category because his nuke was nullified by August's shield. August never said that Laxus' nuke would have killed Ajeel. That was the misconception from the fans. He did say it could have dealt quite some damage though; however, even though August is somewhat reliable, his statement could either have been false or overly exaggerated because Ajeel thought he may have been able to handle it.

Lastly, it is true that God Serena didn't show CQC skills, speed, etc. But the fact that he beat all 4 wizard saints must mean he is at least average, if not proficient in all of those stats. Just like August. What has he shown? Only defense from a shield and the rest was hype from Makarov. Although this is all we've seen, we can still rank him pretty high after seeing that he casually blocked Laxus' nuke. Similarly, God Serena was shown to use a variety of attacks and most of it was strong as it dealt damage to the 4 Gods of Ishgar. We have no proof whether Hyberion, Wolfheim, and Warrod are durable or not, but we know Jura is to a certain extent. We also know that the rest are above him, so logically, it makes sense.
 

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Ok, well, first of all, I understand that the battle between God Serena and Gods of Ishgar was off-paneled, but we did see some feats from God Serena. After being hit by 4 attacks from each of the wizard saints, he still managed to hit and almost kill every one of them. Even Hyberion's attack, which is pretty OP in itself, had little effect on God Serena as the paralysis couldn't do much to him.

Second of all, if what the Gods of Ishgar did was hype, Laxus would be in the same category because his nuke was nullified by August's shield. August never said that Laxus' nuke would have killed Ajeel. That was the misconception from the fans. He did say it could have dealt quite some damage though; however, even though August is somewhat reliable, his statement could either have been false or overly exaggerated because Ajeel thought he may have been able to handle it.

Lastly, it is true that God Serena didn't show CQC skills, speed, etc. But the fact that he beat all 4 wizard saints must mean he is at least average, if not proficient in all of those stats. Just like August. What has he shown? Only defense from a shield and the rest was hype from Makarov. Although this is all we've seen, we can still rank him pretty high after seeing that he casually blocked Laxus' nuke. Similarly, God Serena was shown to use a variety of attacks and most of it was strong as it dealt damage to the 4 Gods of Ishgar. We have no proof whether Hyberion, Wolfheim, and Warrod are durable or not, but we know Jura is to a certain extent. We also know that the rest are above him, so logically, it makes sense.
Your whole argument is based on Hype. Your trying to suggest that Jura+the 3 Gods of Ishgar are superior to Laxus but they don't have the feats showing that though. None of them have feats comparable to current Laxus feats and he only has 2 feats.
 

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Your whole argument is based on Hype. Your trying to suggest that Jura+the 3 Gods of Ishgar are superior to Laxus but they don't have the feats showing that though. None of them have feats comparable to current Laxus feats and he only has 2 feats.
That is not really what I'm trying to say. Jura was shown to hold his own against Laxus during GMG. Yes, I know after the timeskip, Laxus grew a lot stronger but let me reverse the question. What feats does Laxus have to show that he can 1v4 the Gods of Ishgar? Just because Laxus' attack neutralized Ajeel' Sands of Death, it does not make him any stronger than he is portrayed to be. Gray froze Ajeel's Sand Golem. Natsu burned Ajeel's Ant Lion Pit. Although Laxus may have destroyed a bigger attack of the three, we still don't know whether he charged it or not. Therefore, that one feat does not show much. His fight with Wahl may give us more information. God Serena has more feats than Laxus and they are better than his.
 
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There is a noticeable difference between Sands of Death and Golem/Ant lion pit. Sands of death was really the first time Ajeel showed he was Spriggan level outside Gray sensing MP. He even powered up a little after getting punched by Natsu to suggest he was going to take it up a notch. Makarov was taken aback at the sight of Sands of Death. The sand itself was implied to be stronger (desiccant). I'm not one to believe Ajeel's words, but he made a little speech about Makarov not knowing what it meant to be Spriggan12, and then proceeded to illustrate a shield's power by using Sands of Death.

By that portrayal, the fact that Laxus scattered it implies that he can use spells of a similar level as a Spriggan when they use one of their better spells. Then we have Laxus nuking Ajeel, which implies that Laxus has potential to do serious damage to a Spriggan. Whether or not you think Laxus is Spriggan level on that showing is really up to you. There isn't any evidence to suggest he is weaker than a Spriggan, however it must be noted that assumptions need to be made for Laxus to be > Ajeel.

I am buying the hype with Laxus, and I think most people opinion of him is dependent on how much hype they're willing to buy. I am confident he is stronger than Serena, whose slayer moves are not as impressive as Natsu's roar on Bluenote, a guy with comparable durability to Jura.
 

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There is a noticeable difference between Sands of Death and Golem/Ant lion pit. Sands of death was really the first time Ajeel showed he was Spriggan level outside Gray sensing MP. He even powered up a little after getting punched by Natsu to suggest he was going to take it up a notch. Makarov was taken aback at the sight of Sands of Death. The sand itself was implied to be stronger (desiccant). I'm not one to believe Ajeel's words, but he made a little speech about Makarov not knowing what it meant to be Spriggan12, and then proceeded to illustrate a shield's power by using Sands of Death.

By that portrayal, the fact that Laxus scattered it implies that he can use spells of a similar level as a Spriggan when they use one of their better spells. Then we have Laxus nuking Ajeel, which implies that Laxus has potential to do serious damage to a Spriggan. Whether or not you think Laxus is Spriggan level on that showing is really up to you. There isn't any evidence to suggest he is weaker than a Spriggan, however it must be noted that assumptions need to be made for Laxus to be > Ajeel.

I am buying the hype with Laxus, and I think most people opinion of him is dependent on how much hype they're willing to buy. I am confident he is stronger than Serena, whose slayer moves are not as impressive as Natsu's roar on Bluenote, a guy with comparable durability to Jura.
Even though there is a noticeable difference between Ajeel's attacks, scattering one from an aerial angle is not as impressive as actually defeating your opponent which God Serena has shown. Technically, you can say Laxus was hitting Ajeel from 'behind' because Ajeel was not on guard during that attack. Anyways, my example regarding Ajeel was just to note Laxus' feats. God Serena is the main topic here. It is debatable, but because many think Ajeel is the weakest Spriggan, God Serena should be stronger. So even if you think Laxus can match Ajeel, it doesn't mean he can do the same to God Serena which is the point of the discussion.

You can hype Laxus however much you want, but he still has not shown to be above Spriggan level. Nobody has. Except Acnologia and Zeref. It also doesn't matter whether Laxus' attacks seemed to be Spriggan level or not. God Serena is already Spriggan level, if not higher.

Okay, so God Serena's slayer moves aren't as impressive as Natsu's roar on Bluenote, according to you... Also, you claim that Bluenote has comparable durability to Jura... However, God Serena's attacks defeated Jura and 3 others with arguably more power than him. So, that should give us quite a good perspective on the difference in powers since all these characters mentioned are from the same timeskip. As I mentioned before, size does not matter. There are plenty of other factors involved.
 

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Even though there is a noticeable difference between Ajeel's attacks, scattering one from an aerial angle is not as impressive as actually defeating your opponent which God Serena has shown. Technically, you can say Laxus was hitting Ajeel from 'behind' because Ajeel was not on guard during that attack. Anyways, my example regarding Ajeel was just to note Laxus' feats. God Serena is the main topic here. It is debatable, but because many think Ajeel is the weakest Spriggan, God Serena should be stronger. So even if you think Laxus can match Ajeel, it doesn't mean he can do the same to God Serena which is the point of the discussion.

You can hype Laxus however much you want, but he still has not shown to be above Spriggan level. Nobody has. Except Acnologia and Zeref. It also doesn't matter whether Laxus' attacks seemed to be Spriggan level or not. God Serena is already Spriggan level, if not higher.

Okay, so God Serena's slayer moves aren't as impressive as Natsu's roar on Bluenote, according to you... Also, you claim that Bluenote has comparable durability to Jura... However, God Serena's attacks defeated Jura and 3 others with arguably more power than him. So, that should give us quite a good perspective on the difference in powers since all these characters mentioned are from the same timeskip. As I mentioned before, size does not matter. There are plenty of other factors involved.
I didn't say Laxus counter or nuke on Ajeel was more impressive (I do think it is though)... I said it showed he can wield Spriggan level spells and perhaps do considerable damage to a Spriggan. Like I said I am using hype/assumptions to place Laxus, just like you are for putting him below Spriggan level. We know what type of combatant Laxus is from his showings pre-skip, and I am making reasonable judgments based on that and his displays of power this arc. He doesn't have to be above Spriggan level to defeat a Spriggan - Laxus was not above Jura level pre-skip but still beat him in the GMG.

I will stand by Jura and Bluenote having comparable durability. Bluenote's was arguably better pre-skip. I'll give Jura the benefit of the doubt that he is now slightly better, but it's not like there is a clear gap. The GoI all pretty much suffered in the same way as Jura, so their durability are also comparable. The size of the spells matters when you consider that both God Serena and Natsu have the AoE to attack many people at once. Natsu's roar could have downed 4 Bluenotes if they are standing in front of him like the GoI were for Serena - and this was one spell. If we take it up to FDK spells then I say it's definitely in Natsu's favour. I place Laxus just above base Natsu.
 
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God Serena takes it handily. He took out Jura plus 3 opponents stronger than Tartaros Jellal. That easily puts him above Laxus.
 

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Serena is winning but not handily.
 
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