Fantasy Laxus Dreyar vs Spriggan

[Jko]

Maybe Hiro didn't make Laxus fight Irene because he wanted her to fight her fucking DAUGHTER who is a MAIN character.
Looks like Julliet and Heine > Laxus because Hiro didn't have them fight

Yeah bcs Juliet and Heine weren't defeated right? Can you at least make a decent comparison? Gildarts who isn't a main character fought August so yeah the point is moot. If Hiro thought Laxus was as strong as them he would of had Laxus do something.

Hiro literally made these plot contrived back stories just so Irene and August wouldn't smash them. August gets a sentimental attachment to the love of between parent-child relationship so he doesn't kill Gild or Cana, gets a sentimental attachment with Mavis so he doesn't kill everyone and dies from suicide. Irene gets a sentimental attachment to Erza to tell Erza her back story so she doesn't kill Erza, gets an attachment to Wendy so she doesn't kill her, and commits suicide from a Erza's smile. In what way was Laxus supposed to be on their level? Last time I checked carrying his dead grandfather, and walking to the guild in the middle of a war doesn't constitute as a feat.

Both top 2 committed suicide from half-assed sentimental attachments and you really think that's coincidence? Man I guess whatever it takes to prop up your fav character Laxus, right?

 

[TeamWendy]

Good u understand that higher MP>hax. Anyways she survived a dragon claw from Irene so yes she can survive gray and END attacks ur over hyping END. Laxus causal nuke could solo a sprriggan neither erza gray or natsu could do that. No that not the same logic because acno was playing with Jellal while gray and END were giving their all.

Laxus' casual nuke can solo a spriggan? When?? Are you implying when he did it against Ajeel? Just to inform you, apart from August statement, there's no proof that he can solo a spriggan with that single attack. Why did he need to exchange powerful blows with Wahl if he can do that with casual nuke? Because of plot?? I'm not overestimating END, you're just overestimating Laxus, that is. You believe to an extent that he can stop Dimaria's age seal, like what END did. BTW as I've said, it's not really shocking that Erza can stop the attacks of incomplete transformation of END and Gray, since she was durable enough to survive with Irene's claws and still managed to break Irene's Deus Sema, at least you agree to me on that part about Erza's durability as a warrior, but then again, it's irrational to say that Laxus can stop age seal. Let's just say, Laxus can beat Dimaria WITHOUT age seal, but he cannot do it the other way around.

 

[Laxus chan-yo]

Laxus' casual nuke can solo a spriggan? When?? Are you implying when he did it against Ajeel? Just to inform you, apart from August statement, there's no proof that he can solo a spriggan with that single attack. Why did he need to exchange powerful blows with Wahl if he can do that with casual nuke? Because of plot??

Because his goddamn magic doesn't work against Wahl, in fact it energizes him.

How many times did the manga have to state this for people to accept it?

 

[LaGOAT]

Laxus' casual nuke can solo a spriggan? When?? Are you implying when he did it against Ajeel? Just to inform you, apart from August statement, there's no proof that he can solo a spriggan with that single attack. Why did he need to exchange powerful blows with Wahl if he can do that with casual nuke? Because of plot?? I'm not overestimating END, you're just overestimating Laxus, that is. You believe to an extent that he can stop Dimaria's age seal, like what END did. BTW as I've said, it's not really shocking that Erza can stop the attacks of incomplete transformation of END and Gray, since she was durable enough to survive with Irene's claws and still managed to break Irene's Deus Sema, at least you agree to me on that part about Erza's durability as a warrior, but then again, it's irrational to say that Laxus can stop age seal. Let's just say, Laxus can beat Dimaria WITHOUT age seal, but he cannot do it the other way around.

Lol my bro @Laxus chan-yo answer ur question anyways let's go by ur logic then the dimaria can solo human Irene becuase of her time hax

 

[TeamWendy]

Because his goddamn magic doesn't work against Wahl, in fact it energizes him.

How many times did the manga have to state this for people to accept it?

I know that, but then again. As what I've said, APART FROM THE STATEMENT THAT AUGUST MADE, there's no proof that Laxus can oneshot a spriggan with that casual nuke. I don't know what you think about Ajeel, but let me just tell you that it's impossible for him to get beaten INSTANTLY by that single attack. That's like saying Hyne and Juliet cannot survive the nuke from Mirajane even they just did.

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Lol my bro @Laxus chan-yo answer ur question anyways let's go by ur logic then the dimaria can solo human Irene becuase of her time hax

Do you still understand what you're saying?? I said from the start of our argument that greater MP can break hax, so Irene can obviously pass thru Dimaria's age seal, and the reason why we're debating is because YOU THINK THAT LAXUS HAS HIGHER MP THAN END OR HAS COMPARABLE MP TO HIM, which is so irrational, Laxus fought Wahl and he had a hard time fighting him. There's no indication that Wahl > Dimaria or Dimaria > Wahl in terms of MP BUT what I know is Dimaria has THE HAX. So how can Laxus break that?? By using red lightning thing?? By using nakakama power?? Again, there's no statement nor a feat that suggests Laxus has higher MP than Dimaria. Irene can pass thru Dimaria's age seal because she has higher MP than Dimaria, BUT NOT LAXUS, because for a mage to break a magic he needs to have superior MP. Well, not just superior but tremendous difference in terms of MP, and if you still think that Laxus has comparable MP to END., then you're just bluffing yourself, because that's utterly impossible.

 

[**Silver**]

Because his goddamn magic doesn't work against Wahl, in fact it energizes him.

How many times did the manga have to state this for people to accept it?

i can trust August words hes the only spriggan who defeated his opponents if August says casual nuke one-shots ajeel then most likely that is true August doesent have any reason to lie... Laxus haters cant simply accept this fact

 

[Arjuna]

Well August is a wise old man so his words are more trustworthy than cocky Ajeel.Moreover,most Spriggans were one shotted at some point so Ajeel being one shotted by that nuke is quite possible.

But i believe Dimaria's Chronos>Laxus in M.P.No body ever stated Laxus's MP being that high ao i believe Dimaria can Age Seal Laxus.

 

[Demon Hunter]

@natsulucy Dimaria didn't made a huge crater with her MP.

she used some sort of lightning nuke if you look more carefully.

 

[Arjuna]

@natsulucy Dimaria didn't made a huge crater with her MP.

she used some sort of lightning nuke if you look more carefully.

My mistake i actually confused with this panel.The panel you mentioned she used some nuke.

But i was mainly talking about this panel.Chronos casually exerted this much magic power through his aura,this Laxus haven't shown onscreen as yet

Spoiler

http://www.mangahit.com/fairy-tail/475/8

 

[Demon Hunter]

she pushed back a couple of kids.

Mirajane' release of power against Freed looked more impressive than Laxus' release against Natsu but Mira was still weaker than Laxus both strength wise and MP wise.

 

[Arjuna]

she pushed back a couple of kids.

Mirajane' release of power against Freed looked more impressive than Laxus' release against Natsu but Mira was still weaker than Laxus both strength wise and MP wise.

There is a difference here.Dimaria is a Spriggan whose Magic power is obviously>Mira and you are talking about FF Arc Mira which is fodder by current standards.And then not a single person ever commented on Laxus's MP being anything exceptional or sweated in front of him in his casual state,a feat which was exhibited by even weak Spriggans like Ajeel.

And Chronos in MP is much above Base Dimaria which should be =Base Ajeel.

 

[Demon Hunter]

There is a difference here.Dimaria is a Spriggan whose Magic power is obviously>Mira and you are talking about FF Arc Mira which is fodder by current standards.And then not a single person ever commented on Laxus's MP being anything exceptional or sweated in front of him in his casual state,a feat which was exhibited by even weak Spriggans like Ajeel.

Laxus is always strong so they are not really that shocked.

heck, they are not even shocked about Gildarts anymore.

FT is pretty inconsistent when it comes to PL after the Tenrou arc.

 

[Arjuna]

Laxus is always strong so they are not really that shocked.

heck, they are not even shocked about Gildarts anymore.

FT is pretty inconsistent when it comes to PL after the Tenrou arc.

You are making a mistake here.

They were meeting after 1 year and any change in M.P. would be noticed by them.Remember Lucy meeting Natsu for the first time in GMG. she noticed his immense M.P.

(Not on Spriggan level)

So if really Laxus's MP was on the level of a Spriggan they would have surely noticed.

Another point to note.Remember Natsu's right hand with Igneel's power,it always reacted to the Spriggans immense magic power.But did it ever react once to Laxus?No.Even though he spent more time with Laxus than with either Brandish or Ajeel.

So this is author's way of telling us that Laxus's M.P. is not high tier Spriggan level.But i am giving him benefit of doubt and saying his M.P. is atleast comparable to weak Spriggans.

Well last part of my post made me remember,Brandish should have more or atleast comparable M.P. to Dimaria.So my vote changes.Laxus stops at Brandish if she bursts his organs.

 

[Demon Hunter]

true but MP is not always the main factor.

heck, Dimaria' Age Seal is basically unbeatable.

she no diffs Laxus that's for sure.

but we have to keep in mind that Laxus had MBP in his body.

who knows, maybe it hindered his power.

remember what Wall said, even with a huge amount of MBP he was still a top tier in FT guild.

I bet its higher without it.

 

[Arjuna]

true but MP is not always the main factor.

heck, Dimaria' Age Seal is basically unbeatable.

she no diffs Laxus that's for sure.

but we have to keep in mind that Laxus had MBP in his body.

who knows, maybe it hindered his power.

remember what Wall said, even with a huge amount of MBP he was still a top tier in FT guild.

I bet its higher without it.

My point is exactly similar to yours.If you take out Age Seal or if he reacts faster than Brandish,he wins.

Though after Makarov died,Laxus appeared full recovered,even though his M.P. was same(none commented it being higher).But even Gildarts who was the strongest in FT Guild never showed this M.P like Chronos.

 

[Demon Hunter]

My point is exactly similar to yours.If you take out Age Seal or if he reacts faster than Brandish,he wins.

Though after Makarov died,Laxus appeared full recovered,even though his M.P. was same(none commented it being higher).But even Gildarts who was the strongest in FT Guild ever showed this M.P.

why would they comment lol. its not important at this point.

FT is inconsistent asf.

they won't show a panel oh look. Laxus is strong

I don't think we will ever see any comment on Laxus' power considering there is no time for that nor the side characters will do anything considering that FT is ending..

in fact, I don't think we will ever get any comment bar Natsu and Acnologia in the future chapters.

he recovered and he is doing nothing and has appeared in 5 panels since his fight against Wall which was 50 chapters ago.

 

[Arjuna]

why would they comment lol. its not important at this point.

FT is inconsistent asf.

they won't show a panel oh look. Laxus is strong

I don't think we will ever see any comment on Laxus' power considering there is no time for that nor the side characters will do anything considering that FT is ending..

in fact, I don't think we will ever get any comment bar Natsu and Acnologia in the future chapters.

he recovered and he is doing nothing and has appeared in 5 panels since his fight against Wall which was 50 chapters ago.

So you can't say his M.P. has increased considerably until it's mentioned in the Manga clearly.

I am sure if it was increased and he would have been fuelled by power of emotions that time on seeing Makarov dead,Mavis would have mentioned like she always does.It would take just one line do so but Hiro didn't mention it.

 

[Demon Hunter]

So you can't say his M.P. has increased considerably until it's mentioned in the Manga clearly.

I am sure if it was increased and he would have been fuelled by power of emotions that time on seeing Makarov dead,Mavis would have mentioned like she always does.It would take just one line do so but Hiro didn't mention it.

I never said it was. just saying that MBP hindered it if we go by Wall's statement... logical way.

and he was smart not to get fueled by anger.

if this was Natsu we would get You touch my brotha from anotha motha and goes Super Saiyan 5.

and you are nitpicking at this point.

 

[Arjuna]

I never said it was. just saying that MBP hindered it if we go by Wall's statement... logical way.

and he was smart not to get fueled by anger.

if this was Natsu we would get You touch my brotha from anotha motha and goes Super Saiyan 5.

and you are nitpicking at this point.

No Gini i am not nitpicking.

I am focusing on what has been shown strictly in the Manga,can't assume things which are not shown as of yet.That was my point.Nothing more,nothing less.

 

[Demon Hunter]

No Gini i am not nitpicking.

I am focusing on what has been shown strictly in the Manga,can't assume things which are not shown as of yet.That was my point.Nothing more,nothing less.

and my point was that MP is shit

when Spriggans were giving our characters fear in their bones by their presence but it meant jackshit