Fantasy Laxus Dreyar vs Spriggan

[Seven777]

There doesn't need to be a feat. We know her moveset therefore we can apply it to battle. Laxus is a human his biological make up is human. She turns Laxus into a mouse. She transmuted Erza's swords as well, and enchanted Neinhart with a boost in MP while extracting infinite magic. Any of her enchantments are working on Laxus.

Do you even know what transmutation is? Bcs regardless of power that is a hax you need to counter. She enchanted Neinhart and 2 million wizards. Like I said all of her feats are applicable she doesn't need feats of doing it on Laxus she just needs a feat of doing it. Irene's MP >>>>>>>>>>>>> All the wizards of Ishgar. That is not even a question therefore there's is no NLF. She can't enchant Jet or Droy? You're kidding right? She has enchanted a continent, 2 mil wizards, and boosted Neinhart's MP while extracting infinite magic and she's going to have trouble enchanting one? That's a joke. She is transmutating any Ishgar wizard anytime she wants bcs she has already shown she can imbue her magic into mostly everything.

Lmao I'm sorry but when you say she can't enchant Jet or Droy (you do know transmutation is one of her enchantments?) I know I'm in a pitfall argument. There's a difference between not doing it and can't do it. That's like saying August only has 4 offensive spells (Crash, Refractor, Melt, and Laser) since you know that's all he has shown. As I've said Hiro doesn't like using hax bcs it doesn't make for an interesting battle. Mest fudged with Randi's mind and her MP is an entire different ball park yet Mest didn't try to use it on any other S12 even tho it would've been useful. There's a reason we label fights PIS and that's bcs characters don't even remotely use the best of their ability. Restriction of hax is literally the reason why FT had even bested most of the S12 despite having hax that could solo all of Ishgar in seconds.

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We've already seen Sema from Jellal and it was mountain lvl attack. Deus Sema came from planetoids away in seconds. The impact radius would've decimated everything on that battlefield. Erza busting that doesn't mean Laxus can. He has shown no feat to say he could survive it or destroy it. Plotforce is the reason they survived and Plotforce Erza would oneshot Laxus. The falling debri was able to destroy mountain structures across the battlefield. And Erza knows Jellal personally and she knows the spell if she says it's stronger than Jellal's and stated by both to destroy everything then that's what is was gonna do. That's like saying Ars Magia can't destroy the country bcs it wasn't shown to.

Hah, im the one in a pitfall argument buddy, though i guess its my fault for even quoting you on a argument as ridiculous as "Eileen can turn any ishgar wizard into a mouse".

Laxus' biological make up is that of a human with magic power inside him. Even if she could turn his physical body into a mouse, Laxus would just end up being a super mouse shooting lightning nukes and zapping around the battlefield. Like Vegito vs Super Buu, it'd be annoying but it wouldnt make much of a difference in battle.

Do i know what transmutation is? An odd question considering there is no statement in the manga saying that what Eileen did is transmutation. What Eileen did is turn a human into a mouse, thats all. You can label it as "transmutation" if you like, but dont pretend knowing the definition of "transmutation" means you understand what Eileen did to Hisui better than anyone else

Eileen doesnt need feats of doing it to Laxus, but she does need feats of doing it to someone on Laxus level. Enhancing her own subordinants means nothing in relation to turning people into mice, neither does altering a country, completely different spells and abilities.

Mest fudging with Brandish' mind is just shows that hax is completely inconsistent. Brandish is leagues above Mest in MP, could still use his hax. Different hax works differently. Eileen needs feats of haxing someone of Laxus level because hax is too inconsistent, no way im gonna say Eileen is oneshotting people into mice just cause she did it once against someone below even a fodder soldier. Hax doesnt always relate to power.

Saying Eileen can oneshot people on Laxus tier is like saying August can oneshot Eileen by putting her to sleep before she can even transform. Or that Zeref can kill Eileen, August, Gildarts, Natsu and anyone else with some death wave, just because he's killed some plants and animals with it.

 

[LaGOAT]

Where the hell did you get this? First off, END was able to break Dimaria's age seal because of the tremendous MP of END, we saw that when Dimaria used the age seal against Wendy and Sherria, Laxus also stopped BECAUSE HE WAS AFFECTED BY THE AGE SEAL of Dimaria, do you really think that Laxus has a comparable MP to END who has been hyped so much from the start?? BTW Erza was able to stop both Gray and END but that doesn't mean she can also break Dimaria's age seal, 'cause she lacks with MP, same with Laxus. Just to rebut your argument, Laxus may also able to stop Natsu's and Gray's attack like what Erza did, but it will be impossible for him to break the age seal because it has been expressly stated in the manga.

So by ur logic mest>brandish nienhart>brandish Jacob>all the FT members dimaria>human Irene

 

[Boomburst]

@Seven777 Would also like to add that Mest's hax against Brandish lasted a whopping 10 seconds before the effects wore off. So yea, even Mest's hax has limits.

 

[LaGOAT]

@Seven777 been saying that people think Irene is ancologia tier because acno oneshotted GS who is roughly laxus level(put him silghty above laxus tho) Irene isn't oneshotted any1 at laxus tier

 

[Jko]

Hah, im the one in a pitfall argument buddy, though i guess its my fault for even quoting you on a argument as ridiculous as "Eileen can turn any ishgar wizard into a mouse".

Laxus' biological make up is that of a human with magic power inside him. Even if she could turn his physical body into a mouse, Laxus would just end up being a super mouse shooting lightning nukes and zapping around the battlefield. Like Vegito vs Super Buu, it'd be annoying but it wouldnt make much of a difference in battle.

Do i know what transmutation is? An odd question considering there is no statement in the manga saying that what Eileen did is transmutation. What Eileen did is turn a human into a mouse, thats all. You can label it as "transmutation" if you like, but dont pretend knowing the definition of "transmutation" means you understand what Eileen did to Hisui better than anyone else
Eileen doesnt need feats of doing it to Laxus, but she does need feats of doing it to someone on Laxus level. Enhancing her own subordinants means nothing in relation to turning people into mice, neither does altering a country, completely different spells and abilities.

Mest fudging with Brandish' mind is just shows that hax is completely inconsistent. Brandish is leagues above Mest in MP, could still use his hax. Different hax works differently. Eileen needs feats of haxing someone of Laxus level because hax is too inconsistent, no way im gonna say Eileen is oneshotting people into mice just cause she did it once against someone below even a fodder soldier. Hax doesnt always relate to power.

Saying Eileen can oneshot people on Laxus tier is like saying August can oneshot Eileen by putting her to sleep before she can even transform. Or that Zeref can kill Eileen, August, Gildarts, Natsu and anyone else with some death wave, just because he's killed some plants and animals with it.

Natsu "I'm human". Lol Mages having magic doesn't change their biological structure. They are still human. You are saying she can't enchant Jet and Droy yet she enchanted two million people, Neinhart, and Mavis whose body contain infinite magic.

She enchanted Erza's sword. The same swords that can cut through a meteor much stronger than anything Laxus has shown. Neinhart's MP >>> Laxus' MP and she has enchaannted him. Again she doesn't need a feat to do it as she's is stronger than any Ishgar wizard. That's like saying

The hax isn't inconsistent. How the character uses it is inconsistent. But that's because Hiro can only use hax under specific circumstances as there would be no fight otherwise. Hiro himself has admitted that hax destroys power levels in a battle manga which is why they're rarely used in battle. Why do you think Seilah didn't just Macro Lisanna and ended the battle with Mira from the get go? Or do you think she couldn't have Macro Lisanna bcs lol Lisanna stronger than Erza? Not doing it =/= Can't do it. It's as simple as that. You have to provide proof that Laxus can stop transmutation (with a counter or resistance) let alone stop her enchantment in the first place. The only saving grace would be NO but we all know his is significantly inferior to Irene's.

Hax almost never relates to power but OP villains don't use them because then the Hero would never logically win a battle in the first place. There is nothing that says Irene couldn't turn Ezra or Wendy into a chair. She turned swords to humans. Also once you're transmuted that means your biology is changed on the atomic level.

Death Wave is one of the most OP move lol. Yeah Zeref is killing anyone but a Dragon without it and that's because of the Dragons scales have shown to be able to resist it (Natsu's scarf stopped it from killing him, Elf, and Ever). Maybe E.N.D. since he technically already dead. There's a reason he's under control around the S12 and that's so his Death Wave doesn't kill them.

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@Seven777 Would also like to add that Mest's hax against Brandish lasted a whopping 10 seconds before the effects wore off. So yea, even Mest's hax has limits.

Mest's magic worked the entire time. August forced her to loose conscious because Mest's magic was still in effect on her. So yeah it was a lot longer than ten seconds.

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@Seven777 been saying that people think Irene is ancologia tier because acno oneshotted GS who is roughly laxus level(put him silghty above laxus tho) Irene isn't oneshotted any1 at laxus tier

She oneshotted Erza with a swipe of her claw. How is Laxus fairing any better? Erza's endurance is a higher than Laxus by good margin, and that swipe Irene did was only to immobilize Erza meaning she was trying to kill her with it. Hax or not Irene has the means for a oneshot.

 

[Seven777]

Natsu "I'm human". Lol Mages having magic doesn't change their biological structure. They are still human. You are saying she can't enchant Jet and Droy yet she enchanted two million people, Neinhart, and Mavis whose body contain infinite magic.

She enchanted Erza's sword. The same swords that can cut through a meteor much stronger than anything Laxus has shown. Neinhart's MP >>> Laxus' MP and she has enchaannted him. Again she doesn't need a feat to do it as she's is stronger than any Ishgar wizard. That's like saying

The hax isn't inconsistent. How the character uses it is inconsistent. But that's because Hiro can only use hax under specific circumstances as there would be no fight otherwise. Hiro himself has admitted that hax destroys power levels in a battle manga which is why they're rarely used in battle. Why do you think Seilah didn't just Macro Lisanna and ended the battle with Mira from the get go? Or do you think she couldn't have Macro Lisanna bcs lol Lisanna stronger than Erza? Not doing it =/= Can't do it. It's as simple as that. You have to provide proof that Laxus can stop transmutation (with a counter or resistance) let alone stop her enchantment in the first place. The only saving grace would be NO but we all know his is significantly inferior to Irene's.

Hax almost never relates to power but OP villains don't use them because then the Hero would never logically win a battle in the first place. There is nothing that says Irene couldn't turn Ezra or Wendy into a chair. She turned swords to humans. Also once you're transmuted that means your biology is changed on the atomic level.

Death Wave is one of the most OP move lol. Yeah Zeref is killing anyone but a Dragon without it and that's because of the Dragons scales have shown to be able to resist it (Natsu's scarf stopped it from killing him, Elf, and Ever). Maybe E.N.D. since he technically already dead. There's a reason he's under control around the S12 and that's so his Death Wave doesn't kill them.

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Mest's magic worked the entire time. August forced her to loose conscious because Mest's magic was still in effect on her. So yeah it was a lot longer than ten seconds.

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She oneshotted Erza with a swipe of her claw. How is Laxus fairing any better? Erza's endurance is a higher than Laxus by good margin, and that swipe Irene did was only to immobilize Erza meaning she was trying to kill her with it. Hax or not Irene has the means for a oneshot.

Natsu being a human doesnt mean he has the same structure of a human, in fact we know for a fact that it doesnt. All dragon slayer's have bodies different to ordinary humans, even without the magic power that they also have.
Different enchantments, different requirements. Her enchanting 1 million people means nothing in relation to her turning people into mice.
Benisakura cut through the Meteor, Eileen enchanted Heavens Wheel swords(fodder swords), not that it matters cause different enchantments means different requirements.

No, the hax itself is what is inconsistent, some dont work because of magic power, some do, some just have different effects on those who have more magic power.
Being above someone doesnt guarantee working hax, because hax is never guaranteed against anyone, because "hax" is a word made up by fans. Its not a real thing. Each "hax" used in the manga is an individual spell with different effects and requirements, there are no rules deciding if it will work on certain individuals or not, so by default it doesnt work unless its been used on someone on the same level or lower than someone else its worked on.
I agree not doing it =/= cant doing it to a certain extent, but PiS can only be taken so far. Eileen was visibly frustrated at both Erza and Wendy, yet she didnt turn either into anything. Eileen's only feat is transforming a sub-fodder into a mouse so by default thats all she is capable of doing, she doesnt have the feats for anything more than that, and the events of the manga suggest that she cant do anything more than that, so even Jet and Droy are beyond her.

There you go throwing around "transmuted" again. No, it doesnt mean you are changed on a biological level(wtf does it matter if its on a biological level or any other level?), it means you get transformed into a mouse, nothing more. There is no "biological" level in what Eileen does because there is no biology or "transmutation", at least not in its technical/real-world form. "Transmutation" is just what you, a fan, feels like labeling what Eileen did, not what it actually is.

 

[LaGOAT]

Natsu "I'm human". Lol Mages having magic doesn't change their biological structure. They are still human. You are saying she can't enchant Jet and Droy yet she enchanted two million people, Neinhart, and Mavis whose body contain infinite magic.

She enchanted Erza's sword. The same swords that can cut through a meteor much stronger than anything Laxus has shown. Neinhart's MP >>> Laxus' MP and she has enchaannted him. Again she doesn't need a feat to do it as she's is stronger than any Ishgar wizard. That's like saying

The hax isn't inconsistent. How the character uses it is inconsistent. But that's because Hiro can only use hax under specific circumstances as there would be no fight otherwise. Hiro himself has admitted that hax destroys power levels in a battle manga which is why they're rarely used in battle. Why do you think Seilah didn't just Macro Lisanna and ended the battle with Mira from the get go? Or do you think she couldn't have Macro Lisanna bcs lol Lisanna stronger than Erza? Not doing it =/= Can't do it. It's as simple as that. You have to provide proof that Laxus can stop transmutation (with a counter or resistance) let alone stop her enchantment in the first place. The only saving grace would be NO but we all know his is significantly inferior to Irene's.

Hax almost never relates to power but OP villains don't use them because then the Hero would never logically win a battle in the first place. There is nothing that says Irene couldn't turn Ezra or Wendy into a chair. She turned swords to humans. Also once you're transmuted that means your biology is changed on the atomic level.

Death Wave is one of the most OP move lol. Yeah Zeref is killing anyone but a Dragon without it and that's because of the Dragons scales have shown to be able to resist it (Natsu's scarf stopped it from killing him, Elf, and Ever). Maybe E.N.D. since he technically already dead. There's a reason he's under control around the S12 and that's so his Death Wave doesn't kill them.

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Mest's magic worked the entire time. August forced her to loose conscious because Mest's magic was still in effect on her. So yeah it was a lot longer than ten seconds.

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She oneshotted Erza with a swipe of her claw. How is Laxus fairing any better? Erza's endurance is a higher than Laxus by good margin, and that swipe Irene did was only to immobilize Erza meaning she was trying to kill her with it. Hax or not Irene has the means for a oneshot.

yes it's inconsistent we saw it twice in the manga END burn thru dimaria time seal and brandish magic didn't work on nienhart higher MP>hax mest only control brandish because she wasn't on her guard. same thing with Cana knocking her out. Because by ur logic Irene can one shot august with that transmutation power or zeref or dimaria one shots human Irene or brandish using organ busting feats human irene

 

[Boomburst]

Mest's magic worked the entire time. August forced her to loose conscious because Mest's magic was still in effect on her. So yeah it was a lot longer than ten seconds.

No it didn't, after Brandish stabbed him she looked shocked and said "Grand..." multiple times, clearly implying the effect had worn off. Otherwise there would be no reason for such a reaction.

 

[Arjuna]

MP really doesn't mean much in this arc.Otherwise Enchanted Neinhart could have soloed entire Ishgar.Laxus i think has less M.P. than top 3 Spriggans,Dimaria and God Serena.

But if you take away that M.P. advantage and hax of Larcade then Laxus can defeat both Dimaria and Larcade.

 

[LaGOAT]

MP really doesn't mean much in this arc.Otherwise Enchanted Neinhart could have soloed entire Ishgar.Laxus i think has less M.P. than top 3 Spriggans,Dimaria and God Serena.

But if you take away that M.P. advantage and hax of Larcade then Laxus can defeat both Dimaria and Larcade.

Then making PL thread is pointless we all know FT power levels are inconsistent as heck

 

[Laxus chan-yo]

She oneshotted Erza with a swipe of her claw. How is Laxus fairing any better? Erza's endurance is a higher than Laxus by good margin, and that swipe Irene did was only to immobilize Erza meaning she was trying to kill her with it. Hax or not Irene has the means for a oneshot.

Nigga how you gon' call that oneshotting when the girl literally got up a second later and oneshotted a meteor

And she was already pretty dang beat up before she took that bump from Irene. Oneshotting means bringing from 100% to 0, not from 25% to 5.

 

[TeamWendy]

So by ur logic mest>brandish nienhart>brandish Jacob>all the FT members dimaria>human Irene

Mest did that to Brandish because PLOT but there's no indication that Mest has higher MP than Brandish. Did Mest show a feat capable of BREAKING Brandish's magic? I said, BREAK SOMEONE'S MAGIC, NOT USE THEIR MAGIC AGAINST SOMEONE. BTW how did Dimaria become stronger than Irene?? I cannot get your argument at all. Moreover, age seal is NOT OVERRATED, that's just how it works, it is just purely hax, it is capable of stopping even a spriggan tier like Brandish, Laxus had a hard time fighting Wahl and there's no indication or a statement that suggests that Wahl is superior to Dimaria so?? I admit, Laxus can beat Dimaria WITHOUT AGE SEAL but it's absurd if you think Laxus can break Dimaria's age seal. Furthermore, I don't really get your "erza>=gray=END>dimaria" thing, so by your logic if a mage WITH GREAT DURABILITY stopped a demon's and devil slayer's punches without fighting them, then that already makes her stronger than them?? I don't know why you're asking these questions when you already know that the answer is NO.

 

[Jko]

Nigga how you gon' call that oneshotting when the girl literally got up a second later and oneshotted a meteor

And she was already pretty dang beat up before she took that bump from Irene. Oneshotting means bringing from 100% to 0, not from 25% to 5.

Bcs you know plotforce didn't give Erza a boost to get up, and destroy that meteor . You actually think Erza could have destroy that meteor if plot didn't actually play a factor? You think the enemy would stand there and let Erza attack the attack in the first place? Lol Irene had to suicide in order to get beaten. Plot force Erza >>>>>>> Laxus.

Also Irene swung to immobilize Erza not kill her so even then she held her strength back a lot.

She got buffed by Wendy twice in that fight yet she was at 25% lol. And durability doesn't change she would of got her bones crushed either way.

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No it didn't, after Brandish stabbed him she looked shocked and said "Grand..." multiple times, clearly implying the effect had worn off. Otherwise there would be no reason for such a reaction.

If it wore off she would've retained her memory, and wouldn't be distraught of killing her grandpa. Brandish doesn't call August grandpa which already shows she was still under the effects of Mest's magic.

 

[Boomburst]

If it wore off she would've retained her memory, and wouldn't be distraught of killing her grandpa. Brandish doesn't call August grandpa which already shows she was still under the effects of Mest's magic.

She did retain her memories, hence why she was saying "Grand..." after she stabbed him. It's basically the same thing as calling August grandpa. Not to mention the shocked and confused expression she had.

 

[Jko]

She did retain her memories, hence why she was saying "Grand..." after she stabbed him. It's basically the same thing as calling August grandpa. Not to mention the shocked and confused expression she had.

August isn't her Grandpa and she doesn't call him Grandpa. Mest messed with her memories and implanted the memory to kill him. Her "killing" her Grandpa is why she was distraught. If she retained her memories she would knew that August would have not been effected. When Mest goes on unconscious all of his implanted memories cease to exist. It was already shown on Tenroi where everyone knew that he was a fake after Azuma beat him up. Brandish was affected till August made her unconscious.

 

[Boomburst]

August isn't her Grandpa and she doesn't call him Grandpa. Mest messed with her memories and implanted the memory to kill him. Her "killing" her Grandpa is why she was distraught. If she retained her memories she would knew that August would have not been effected. When Mest goes on unconscious all of his implanted memories cease to exist. It was already shown on Tenroi where everyone knew that he was a fake after Azuma beat him up. Brandish was affected till August made her unconscious.

Brandish explicitly explained that she didn't literally mean August was her grandpa, it's just that she regards him as one. Right after that her expression changed dramatically, implying that that was the moment Mest altered her memories. Or are you suggesting that Mest had altered her memories long before that and he just decided to make her call August grandpa for the hell of it? And why would she be distraught over "killing" her grandpa if the memory of wanting to kill him was still there?

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

Laxus clears up until Dimaria. He would beat everyone else except August and possibly Larcade (yes that includes Irene).

Bcs you know plotforce didn't give Erza a boost to get up, and destroy that meteor . You actually think Erza could have destroy that meteor if plot didn't actually play a factor? You think the enemy would stand there and let Erza attack the attack in the first place? Lol Irene had to suicide in order to get beaten. Plot force Erza >>>>>>> Laxus.

Also Irene swung to immobilize Erza not kill her so even then she held her strength back a lot.

She got buffed by Wendy twice in that fight yet she was at 25% lol. And durability doesn't change she would of got her bones crushed either way.

Erza didn't have a boost from Wendy when Dragon Irene crippled her.

When Irene transformed she was pissed off to the point where she sent a meteor at Erza to erase her existence completely. Her holding back with that claw attack would be inconsistent to how bloodlusted she was.

Also you can't say she would of got her bones crushed anyway. Erza has stated before that by using benisakura she forfeits her defense completely. Irene's claw attack took out an injured Erza in her weakest defense armor. There's no proof that implies Irene's claw attack would cripple a 100 percent Erza using a strong defense armor like her adamantine armor.

Irene still getting this overhyped baffles me. The Spriggans all in all were no where near as impressive as we all thought so her being number 2 doesn't mean anything. Also her performance against human Acno isn't as god like as we thought it was after we saw a half dead Jellal take him on.

 

[Jko]

Laxus clears up until Dimaria. He would beat everyone else except August and possibly Larcade (yes that includes Irene).

Erza didn't have a boost from Wendy when Dragon Irene crippled her.

When Irene transformed she was pissed off to the point where she sent a meteor at Erza to erase her existence completely. Her holding back with that claw attack would be inconsistent to how bloodlusted she was.

Also you can't say she would of got her bones crushed anyway. Erza has stated before that by using benisakura she forfeits her defense completely. Irene's claw attack took out an injured Erza in her weakest defense armor. There's no proof that implies Irene's claw attack would cripple a 100 percent Erza using a strong defense armor like her adamantine armor.

Irene still getting this overhyped baffles me. The Spriggans all in all were no where near as impressive as we all thought so her being number 2 doesn't mean anything. Also her performance against human Acno isn't as god like as we thought it was after we saw a half dead Jellal take him on.

Erza had a double boost before her Dragon form, and Irene took a stab by her sword to the head defenseless, and it didn't even penetrate her skull. Irene whooped Erza's butt while she was boosted from Wendy in her human form also.

Her whole battle was an inconsistency bcs she didn't want to kill Erza from the start. Also she literally said she wanted to immobilize Erza. She was pretty calm when she did the meteor.

Being a contender for the number one position of the S12 is very impressive since five them could actually solo Ishgar if plot wasn't intervening in their battles. The S12s have been the biggest PIS battles in FT history for a reason.

Durability still doesn't change. Being in her strongest defense armor or her being healthy she would've still got her bones crushed. Magical armor is useless to a Dragon since their scales would penetrate right through the magic like butter. Just bcs you're beat up doesn't actually change your durability point and if Wendy didn't save Erza from Wendy Bel's explosion Erza would be downed.

Laxus was scared of Wall's fireball lol you think he can tank hits from a Dragon that could crush all of Erza's bones? The dude hasn't even gotten up and fought again after the Wall/Pretch fight which shows he has horrible endurance.

Also Jellal's fight was Acno walking the entire time and not even talking to Jellal. His face was bored while his face with Irene was filled with excitement. He even laughed how pathetic they were. Jellal was a bug to Acno. Even right now he could blitz Christina yet he plays around and chases after them. If you think he was as serious as the time he fought Serena let alone Irene you're definitely wrong. He let a ship push him back....

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Brandish explicitly explained that she didn't literally mean August was her grandpa, it's just that she regards him as one. Right after that her expression changed dramatically, implying that that was the moment Mest altered her memories. Or are you suggesting that Mest had altered her memories long before that and he just decided to make her call August grandpa for the hell of it? And why would she be distraught over "killing" her grandpa if the memory of wanting to kill him was still there?

That was all fake. She never once outside that moment referred to August as her grandfather or held him to that regard. He altered her memories to kill her her Grandpa. He obviously set it up beforehand since he always thought the plan was going to fail so he would use Brandish as opening to take down August. Brandish knows August's magic if her memories weren't altered she would have known that attack would do nothing but peeve him.

Killing a (implanted memory) family member would still make you distraught also.

 

[Boomburst]

That was all fake. She never once outside that moment referred to August as her grandfather or held him to that regard. He altered her memories to kill her her Grandpa. He obviously set it up beforehand since he always thought the plan was going to fail so he would use Brandish as opening to take down August. Brandish knows August's magic if her memories weren't altered she would have known that attack would do nothing but peeve him.

Killing a (implanted memory) family member would still make you distraught also.

Ok, now you're just grasping at straws. Even if Mest's plan was really what you say it is there was literally no reason for Mest to make August Brandish's grandpa. Why on earth would he do that? What would the point even be? If he was going to alter Brandish's perception of who August was why not make August an antagonist rather than a family member? It doesn't make any sense in the slightest.

It may not have taken August down but stab to the chest is still a stab to the chest. He's not just going to walk that shit off, he even needed Brandish to heal him afterwards.

 

[sharkai]

Bro there comes a point when you have to be at least 1% reasonable otherwise people will think you are just trolling even if its you.

On another note, I would love to see how Laxus would handle August. I bet it would go down like Laxus vs Hades where Laxus has the advantage at first but the Old Geezer is too much. I think he would do better than Gildarts because of his speed and he'd get more hits in.

Dude of all people you said thie about a character who beat mid tier springgan with severe ass pull and has done nothing since

Opponents 01 : Neinhart
Laxus Blitzes and oneshots.

Opponents 02 : Brandish
Laxus Blitzes and oneshots

Opponents 03 : Ajeel Ramal
Laxus oneshots with casual nuke

Opponents 04 : Jacob Lessio
Laxus blitzes and oneshots

Opponents 05 : Bloodman
Laxus wins low difficulty, too fast and strong

Opponents 06 : Wall Eehto
Laxus wins low difficulty. If his magic works and he's healthy he won't need red lightning at all.

Opponents 07 : Dimaria Yesta
She probably beats him due to time hax

Opponents 08 : Invel Yura
Laxus wins low diff, again, too fast and strong

Opponents 09 : God Serena
Good fight. Both are power players. Serena is more versatile but Laxus is faster. Overall Laxus wins high diff due to having more power.

Opponents 10 : Etherious Larcade
Larcade is really hax but otherwise wasn't too impressive. Laxus has the most willpower after Erza so he powers through his hax and wins high diff.

Opponents 11 : Eileen Belserion
Her human form wasn't too much stronger than Erza and Wendy.
He is beating her soundly then she turns dragon and he beats that extreme diff

Opponents 12 : August Dragneel
No ifs, ands, or buts, August wins low diff

You really dont know anything about being reasonable. You might have well have said lucy blitz and one shot aconologia. Because thats as reasonable as what you wrote.

I am 100 % reasonable
All hax beat laxus. Because laxus doesnt have more mp.than.any of them.

And irene and august obviously extreme low diff him. There is nothing to talk about there

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Your getting him mixed up with Erza.
Laxus' ranking by the fandom is usually pretty reasonable and pretty consistent, its Erza who gets overhyped all the time because of all her hardcore fans.

O shit you are right man
I mean everyone seems to eat that hype that no human can stop deus sema. But laxus nuke hype. Everyone ignore. Lol man
Remember in gmg all people were saying even gray can take out jura just because he defeated one mid tier and lyon. But now when laxus defeated one mid tier springgan. People think he cant even defeat irene. I mean laxus defeated one mid tier. One mid tier sure with a severe ass pull. But Why cant he defeat irene
I mean remember when erza defeated the s class monster (who alone would give jura a fight) and 99 other monsters without SO. How many people thought erza could defeat jura. Everyone right?

But laxus defeating a.mid tier springgan seems.to get no credits. Unbelievable

I wish people.were like you. You know wait till erza defeats someone who laxus lost to. Just like how laxus defeated the person who defeated erza. O wait that never happened

Well you know what i mean

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MP affect your attributes but not THAT much.

it certainly does but not to the greater degree.

Laxus tanked Hades' powerful blast without any MP any he survived barely.

MP affects your durability. I would say around 10% - 20%.

it also depends on what type of mage you are.

Jacob has bigger MP than lets say Natsu but his physical attacks are weaker than Lucy.

Not really. This all made up

We thought more mp means more durability but that has never been shown

And nor does ds have higher durability than normal mages.