Fantasy Laxus Dreyar vs Spriggan

[The President]

On another note, I would love to see how Laxus would handle August. I bet it would go down like Laxus vs Hades where Laxus has the advantage at first but the Old Geezer is too much. I think he would do better than Gildarts because of his speed and he'd get more hits in.

Base Laxus isn't faster then Gildarts though, I'd argue Gildarts is even faster then base Laxus. August can cancel and use the lightning coat and lightning body for himself (since he can do so with meteor) so those wouldn't be factors. And even if Laxus landed multiple physical hits in they wouldn't do anything cause Gildartses strongest magic attack hardly did anything. Plus, August has superior physical strength to Gildarts as well.

 

[Seven777]

Whole of Hargeon was effected as far as i remember wasn't it @DiMaria Yesta ?

Yeah i miss that theory of yours.

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Even though Laxus may have Spriggan level M.P. i doubt it will be as large as Chronos's.When Chronos exerted his aura a large chunk area of blew.This Laxus as of now didn't show i.e. blowing an area with tbe pressure of aura alone.

It affected the clock i think, but we have no idea where that is. All we know is that Laxus fought Wahl somewhere in town, while Dimaria fought in the main battlefield with all the guilds.
But like i said, the guild acknowledged his defeat before Dimaria's. Which shouldnt be the case since we saw Dimaria click her teeth before Laxus' battle ended.

I've always thought spriggan MP>good guy mp based on Gray's reaction. However Laxus, Jellal and Gildarts may be the exceptions since he hadnt seen their new strength at that point yet.

 

[Arjuna]

It affected the clock i think, but we have no idea where that is. All we know is that Laxus fought Wahl somewhere in town, while Dimaria fought in the main battlefield with all the guilds.
But like i said, the guild acknowledged his defeat before Dimaria's. Which shouldnt be the case since we saw Dimaria click her teeth before Laxus' battle ended.

I've always thought spriggan MP>good guy mp based on Gray's reaction. However Laxus, Jellal and Gildarts may be the exceptions since he hadnt seen their new strength at that point yet.

Yeah i think 3 of them along with FDKM or DF Natsu has Spriggan level M.P.Though i am pretty skeptical they have more M.P. than Chronos though.

 

[Kiki]

Ah yes.. that theory.... Seven777 could be right. Actually Brandish (the mod) ever said the same before (at that time Seven777 didn't join the forum yet).

So, I guess we take that there is range, like Kisame's water or Neji's Kaiten? Everyone that is inside the range will be stopped. And the range didn't reach Laxus, Gray and co, and Jellal and co?

There should be restrictions on hax magic in this gauntlet. I usually tend to avoid hax. But it's okay, because of it we can keep on discussing

Ok, carry on

 

[EmberSpirit]

I've always thought spriggan MP>good guy mp based on Gray's reaction. However Laxus, Jellal and Gildarts may be the exceptions since he hadnt seen their new strength at that point yet.

Erza is probably the only obvious exception. Neinheart implied Erza's magic power went Irene level when she banished the historia. Wahl said Laxus's mp was top tier among FT guild, but not said anything about comparing to twelve.

 

[Jko]

Age Seal affected all of Hargeon. It literally affected Ultear who was last seen by Crocus, and it already shown to affect the clock tower. Also if Wall and Laxus fight wasn't interrupted then how did Dim nor SS see Wall's nuke or Laxus L bolt. The clouds in the sky even halted. Dim's Age Seal probably goes all across the country at the least.

Lol Laxus gets curbed by Irene. I'm a Laxus fan, but I'm not going to wank him to a status he ain't at. She turns all of his lightning into flowers, and turns him into a toad or pig. Irene stats, mp, and hax are far above Laxus. Using non PIS Irene, August, Jacob, and DiMaria could solo. Heck Brandish could too by just shrinking herself and burst everyones organs. FT had major plot force this arc (that includes Laxus) so I would disregard most of the S12s fights bcs PIS was the only reason FT could beat the S12.

Doesn't get passed Randi bcs of Organ Burst.

 

[Brandish μ]

Ah yes.. that theory.... Seven777 could be right. Actually Brandish (the mod) ever said the same before (at that time Seven777 didn't join the forum yet).

So, I guess we take that there is range, like Kisame's water or Neji's Kaiten? Everyone that is inside the range will be stopped. And the range didn't reach Laxus, Gray and co, and Jellal and co?

Yes, we did have a discussion about this Tbh, I don't think there's enough evidence to say for sure either way, so in the absence of clarity I think we should take the manga's sequencing at face value. Wall was defeated first, then Dim's and then Neinhart. I believe 474's cover had Wall down first.

But I do think DiMaria can Age Seal Laxus. She could probably beat him.

 

[Seven777]

Erza is probably the only obvious exception. Neinheart implied Erza's magic power went Irene level when she banished the historia. Wahl said Laxus's mp was top tier among FT guild, but not said anything about comparing to twelve.

Erza's mp Eileen tier? Haha, i highly doubt that, there'd be no reason for her to crap her pants at the sight of Brandish if she had that level of MP and the fact that Azir was laughing at her most of their fight implies that her MP definitely isnt on par with average spriggans, let alone a top tier like Eileen.
Neinhart was undoubtedly talking about her MP just being similar in nature to Eileen's, not similar in quantity. I mean why would having MP on Eileen's level lead Neinhart to believe Erza is her daughter? Not like being related to someone with high MP means you have MP of the same level.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Age Seal affected all of Hargeon. It literally affected Ultear who was last seen by Crocus, and it already shown to affect the clock tower. Also if Wall and Laxus fight wasn't interrupted then how did Dim nor SS see Wall's nuke or Laxus L bolt. The clouds in the sky even halted. Dim's Age Seal probably goes all across the country at the least.

Lol Laxus gets curbed by Irene. I'm a Laxus fan, but I'm not going to wank him to a status he ain't at. She turns all of his lightning into flowers, and turns him into a toad or pig. Irene stats, mp, and hax are far above Laxus. Using non PIS Irene, August, Jacob, and DiMaria could solo. Heck Brandish could too by just shrinking herself and burst everyones organs. FT had major plot force this arc (that includes Laxus) so I would disregard most of the S12s fights bcs PIS was the only reason FT could beat the S12.

Doesn't get passed Randi bcs of Organ Burst.

You don't wank Laxus but you do much worse for Irene. You're still insisting Irene can just transmutate anyone and anything.

 

[Jko]

You don't wank Laxus but you do much worse for Irene. You're still insisting Irene can just transmutate anyone and anything.

She can do it. She is way stronger than Laxus so there is no NLF. Lol where has it ever said she can't? You need hax to stop transmutation which Laxus hax is little to none. Laxus is nowhere near top s12.

 

[EmberSpirit]

Erza's mp Eileen tier? Haha, i highly doubt that, there'd be no reason for her to crap her pants at the sight of Brandish if she had that level of MP and the fact that Azir was laughing at her most of their fight implies that her MP definitely isnt on par with average spriggans, let alone a top tier like Eileen.
Neinhart was undoubtedly talking about her MP just being similar in nature to Eileen's, not similar in quantity. I mean why would having MP on Eileen's level lead Neinhart to believe Erza is her daughter? Not like being related to someone with high MP means you have MP of the same level.

You clearly don't understand that Erza couldn't unleash that mp until she banished historia, or she would've done sooner. Neinhart was shitting his pants and made that comment only after, any event before that is irrelevant to the argument. If her mp stayed consistent she would banish historias and one shot Irene's strongest from the start. It is clearly the same as Cana, her mp wasn't anything to sweat about until Mavis said that she had a lot of latent mp. Same for Gray who was able to release his latent mp after Juvia's fake death. Gray probably also above spriggan level mp, surging of his mp made Invel crap his pants. Gray is also clearly higher despite his comment about Brandish being above Makarov.

 

[Boomburst]

You clearly don't understand that Erza couldn't unleash that mp until she banished historia, or she would've done sooner. Neinhart was shitting his pants and made that comment only after, any event before that is irrelevant to the argument. If her mp stayed consistent she would banish historias and one shot Irene's strongest from the start. It is clearly the same as Cana, her mp wasn't anything to sweat about until Mavis said that she had a lot of latent mp. Same for Gray who was able to release his latent mp after Juvia's fake death. Gray probably also above spriggan level mp, surging of his mp made Invel crap his pants. Gray is also clearly higher despite his comment about Brandish being above Makarov.

So can we just attribute all of Natsu's "asspulls" and "PoF" to him simply releasing his latent mp then?

 

[Demon Hunter]

@Jko Irene might be stronger than Laxus but that doesn't mean she can turn him into mouse or whatever.

 

[Seven777]

You clearly don't understand that Erza couldn't unleash that mp until she banished historia, or she would've done sooner. Neinhart was shitting his pants and made that comment only after, any event before that is irrelevant to the argument. If her mp stayed consistent she would banish historias and one shot Irene's strongest from the start. It is clearly the same as Cana, her mp wasn't anything to sweat about until Mavis said that she had a lot of latent mp. Same for Gray who was able to release his latent mp after Juvia's fake death. Gray probably also above spriggan level mp, surging of his mp made Invel crap his pants. Gray is also clearly higher despite his comment about Brandish being above Makarov.

Naturally i dont understand it since you just made it up yourself.
So what if Neinhart was shitting his pants? His historia were getting banished, not something he'd expect anyone to be capable of. Banishing historia isnt a feat of MP, its just something Erza can do because of her relation to Eileen. If people could banish historia just with MP Gildarts wouldnt have even needed to fight God Serena. Beside's Neinhart was shitting his pants when Jelly pulled out his magic too, its just the kind of guy Neinhart is.
Erza's MP, latent of otherwise, isnt anywhere close to Eileen's level. I can hardly believe you'd even suggest it.
Gray beat the crap out of Invel cause he was the superior combatant, not because he had more magic power.

 

[LaGOAT]

We don't know her range of I think it work only as anAOE feat. But like I said if END can break thru it so can laxus can also i don't know why people can accept that. That like saying dimaria one shot human Irene. or mest erase all the sprriggans memory. Same with Lucy she can't copy any1 power if she isn't on their level

 

[Star Frost]

We don't know her range of I think it work only as anAOE feat. But like I said if END can break thru it so can laxus can also i don't know why people can accept that. That like saying dimaria one shot human Irene. or mest erase all the sprriggans memory. Same with Lucy she can't copy any1 power if she isn't on their level

Just cause END can break through her Age Seal does not mean Laxus can also. Laxus has not shown any feats he's on par or above END. He's at least just above Wall.

 

[Jko]

@Jko Irene might be stronger than Laxus but that doesn't mean she can turn him into mouse or whatever.

Yeah it does. There's no NLF to be presented (wouldn't be either way) therefore all hax moves she has used are applicable.

 

[Crimson Ice]

She can do it. She is way stronger than Laxus so there is no NLF. Lol where has it ever said she can't? You need hax to stop transmutation which Laxus hax is little to none. Laxus is nowhere near top s12.

She can't do it. Just because she's stronger than Laxus doesn't mean it would work on him or people of his level. The whole thing because irrelevant when she use it a grand total of one time on trash. I already said that Laxus isn't beating the top 3 but he isn't getting stomped by human Irene.

 

[LaGOAT]

Just cause END can break through her Age Seal does not mean Laxus can also. Laxus has not shown any feats he's on par or above END. He's at least just above Wall.

And what's END feats? going toe to toe with gray and was causally stop by erza. It's debatable if it's stronger than FDKM natsu.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Seeing the Spriggans aren't restricted, Laxus stops at Brandish most likely as Brandish could just expand his organs until the burst and he dies and I doubt he'd be fast enough to get an attack in to stop that from happening. If can get past it, then I'd see the next likely Spriggan he'd stop at be Wall or Dimaria.