Fantasy Laxus Dreyar vs Spriggan

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Honestly, if we're going to use hax magic as an argument, then these threads are pointless. In my opinion, the concept of "hax magic" is mainly used to serve the plot. It really shouldn't have any impact on versus threads. I noticed that we tend to extrapolate it to no bounds, more so than the author himself...

The way I like to imagine these fights is if they were to actually happen in the manga. Would Hiro Mashima really end the fight in 1 page? No, so the chances of someone like Laxus going down immediately is highly unlikely. Anyways, I voted for Irene. Laxus shouldn't stand a chance against a bloodlusted Irene in her dragon form.

 

[Seven777]

Yeah it does. There's no NLF to be presented (wouldn't be either way) therefore all hax moves she has used are applicable.

She did it to a non-mage, Eileen has never turned anyone with magic power into a mouse.
NLF, Eileen doesnt have the feats to suggest she can change anything more than ordinary magicless humans into animals, even suggesting she could do it to someone with low magic power like Max is too much. Its like saying Zeref can oneshot Natsu and anyone else with his death wave just cause he did it to some wolves.

 

[Kiki]

She did it to a non-mage, Eileen has never turned anyone with magic power into a mouse.
NLF, Eileen doesnt have the feats to suggest she can change anything more than ordinary magicless humans into animals, even suggesting she could do it to someone with low magic power like Max is too much. Its like saying Zeref can oneshot Natsu and anyone else with his death wave just cause he did it to some wolves.

Wanted to say the same, but a correction here that Hisui is not a non-mage. She is a mage.

I think enchanting into whatever is a bit irrelevant imo. The best feat of it was turning Hisui into a mouse, who is a weak mage. We don't know if after someone gets enchanted, he/she can still keep fighting. It could be just a transformation.

 

[Star Frost]

And what's END feats? going toe to toe with gray and was causally stop by erza. It's debatable if it's stronger than FDKM natsu.

Ofc the simple fact that he can walk through Dimaria's Age Seal and surpass her power which got her wrecked with ease.

Wanted to say the same, but a correction here that Hisui is not a non-mage. She is a mage.

I think enchanting into whatever is a bit irrelevant imo. The best feat of it was turning Hisui into a mouse, who is a weak mage. We don't know if after someone gets enchanted, he/she can still keep fighting. It could be just a transformation.

Must we really say she's a Mage just because a filler Arc says so which hardly anybody take seriously?

 

[Seven777]

Wanted to say the same, but a correction here that Hisui is not a non-mage. She is a mage.

I think enchanting into whatever is a bit irrelevant imo. The best feat of it was turning Hisui into a mouse, who is a weak mage. We don't know if after someone gets enchanted, he/she can still keep fighting. It could be just a transformation.

Hisui being a mage is anime only, right? I'm 99% sure that the whole "Spirits turned evil cause of eclipse" thing isnt canon.

 

[Demon Hunter]

@Star Frost Natsu ain't stronger than Laxus in any form bar DF.


@Jko against weaker mages yes.

against very top mages no.

 

[LaGOAT]

Ofc the simple fact that he can walk through Dimaria's Age Seal and surpass her power which got her wrecked with ease.

Which means erza>=gray=END>dimaria and erza Isn't stronger than laxus so..

 

[Jko]

@Star Frost Natsu ain't stronger than Laxus in any form bar DF.


@Jko against weaker mages yes.

against very top mages no.

Yeah it does. Unless you're stronger no case is being made for an NLF.

She did it to a non-mage, Eileen has never turned anyone with magic power into a mouse.
NLF, Eileen doesnt have the feats to suggest she can change anything more than ordinary magicless humans into animals, even suggesting she could do it to someone with low magic power like Max is too much. Its like saying Zeref can oneshot Natsu and anyone else with his death wave just cause he did it to some wolves.

Doesn't matter. She had no need to Ezra or Wendy into a mouse. All of her had are applicable. There's nothing saying Laxus can stop transmutation let alone any of her Enchantments. She can enchant anything across planetoids worth of distance and a country the size of continent in base all while being casual. Any of her had is working on Laxus. Just bcs she didn't doesn't mean she can't. I have already gone down this road with Mira's Macro. Hiro Like many other artist doesn't like to use hax bcs they're too overpowered. Why do you think the S12 where major PIS fight bcs most of their hax could've of solo the entire Ishgar forces.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Yeah it does. Unless you're stronger no case is being made for an NLF.

but there is no feat of her turning someone of Laxus tier into a mouse, pig or whatever.


its possible but its far fetched in this case because she only transformed a trash.

 

[Star Frost]

Which means erza>=gray=END>dimaria and erza Isn't stronger than laxus so..

Thats exactly what that means. And I don't know about Erza not being stronger than Laxus, I mean you know Mashima be when it comes to his girl. Especially after how he made her solo Deus Sema with all her bones broken besides her right arm with which don't make no sense

 

[LaGOAT]

Yeah it does. Unless you're stronger no case is being made for an NLF.

Doesn't matter. She had no need to Ezra or Wendy into a mouse. All of her had are applicable. There's nothing saying Laxus can stop transmutation let alone any of her Enchantments. She can enchant anything across planetoids worth of distance and a country the size of continent in base all while being casual. Any of her had is working on Laxus. Just bcs she didn't doesn't mean she can't. I have already gone down this road with Mira's Macro. Hiro Like many other artist doesn't like to use hax bcs they're too overpowered. Why do you think the S12 where major PIS fight bcs most of their hax could've of solo the entire Ishgar forces.

so Mira can no diff the S12 because she use macro or mest can change their memories to kill each other.

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Thats exactly what that means. And I don't know about Erza not being stronger than Laxus, I mean you know Mashima be when it comes to his girl. Especially after how he made her solo Deus Sema with all her bones broken besides her right arm with which don't make no sense

laxus natsu gildartz and gray can destroy that meteor

 

[Star Frost]

laxus natsu gildartz and gray can destroy that meteor

Maybe Gildarts but the others, yeeeeaaah, there's no evidence. They're gonna have to show something that they can

 

[Crimson Ice]

Maybe Gildarts but the others, yeeeeaaah, there's no evidence. They're gonna have to show something that they can

Stop with the Erza BS. As of this arc both Natsu and Laxus have shown better DC feats than Gildarts (though Gildarts has the superior attack potency).

 

[Star Frost]

Stop with the Erza BS. As of this arc both Natsu and Laxus have shown better DC feats than Gildarts (though Gildarts has the superior attack potency).

Regardless of it being BS, it still happened and is to be taken how it is no matter how cringy it is.

 

[Laxus chan-yo]

Maybe Gildarts but the others, yeeeeaaah, there's no evidence. They're gonna have to show something that they can

They have to show that they can do shit to the meteor? The mothafakkin meteor has to show it can do shit to them.

What has that shitty meteor even done? Does it have any destructive feats? All we know is it got oneshotted by a completely broken Erza and then little rocks littered the battlefield. It is stronger than Sema but Sema was only able to knock down PRE-SKIP fodder Seis.

Laxus or Natsu can't destroy the meteor whose only feat is jobbing to boneless Erza

Whats next current Laxus can't destroy Bluenote's black hole purely because it is a BLACK HOLE?!

 

[Star Frost]

They have to show that they can do shit to the meteor? The mothafakkin meteor has to show it can do shit to them.

What has that shitty meteor even done? Does it have any destructive feats? All we know is it got oneshotted by a completely broken Erza and then little rocks littered the battlefield. It is stronger than Sema but Sema was only able to knock down PRE-SKIP fodder Seis.

Laxus or Natsu can't destroy the meteor whose only feat is jobbing to boneless Erza

Whats next current Laxus can't destroy Bluenote's black hole purely because it is a BLACK HOLE?!

Take however you like it but either way it doesn't matter for as long as the Meteor was stated to be capable of killing everyone in the battlefield which as you already know is more powerful than Sema. And you ought to know Erza is capable of defying all logic no matter what happens to her which I find cringeworthy but.......*sigh* it is what it is just because she's Erza. Now I'm finish with this topic so feel free to have the last word if you want

 

[Laxus chan-yo]

Take however you like it but either way it doesn't matter for as long as the Meteor was stated to be capable of killing everyone in the battlefield which as you already know is more powerful than Sema. And you ought to know Erza is capable of defying all logic no matter what happens to her which I find cringeworthy but.......*sigh* it is what it is just because she's Erza. Now I'm finish with this topic so feel free to have the last word if you want

Larcade was stated to be a trump card against Acnologia. That S-class monster in Pandemonium was stated to be on par with Jura. Jura was stated to be on par with Gildarts.

Bottom Line?

Don't listen to empty character statements not backed up by any substance.

 

[Seven777]

Yeah it does. Unless you're stronger no case is being made for an NLF.

Doesn't matter. She had no need to Ezra or Wendy into a mouse. All of her had are applicable. There's nothing saying Laxus can stop transmutation let alone any of her Enchantments. She can enchant anything across planetoids worth of distance and a country the size of continent in base all while being casual. Any of her had is working on Laxus. Just bcs she didn't doesn't mean she can't. I have already gone down this road with Mira's Macro. Hiro Like many other artist doesn't like to use hax bcs they're too overpowered. Why do you think the S12 where major PIS fight bcs most of their hax could've of solo the entire Ishgar forces.

Doesnt matter, has nothing to do with how strong or weak Laxus, God Serena or whoever else you're talking about is. Eileen turned an ordinary human into a mouse, not a wizard. It doesnt matter if Eileen is stronger than Laxus, because it doesnt change the fact that he isnt an ordinary human, he is a wizard with magic power. EIleen has no feats that suggest she could turn him or even fodders like Jet or Droy into mice.

 

[Jko]

but there is no feat of her turning someone of Laxus tier into a mouse, pig or whatever.


its possible but its far fetched in this case because she only transformed a trash.

There doesn't need to be a feat. We know her moveset therefore we can apply it to battle. Laxus is a human his biological make up is human. She turns Laxus into a mouse. She transmuted Erza's swords as well, and enchanted Neinhart with a boost in MP while extracting infinite magic. Any of her enchantments are working on Laxus.

Doesnt matter, has nothing to do with how strong or weak Laxus, God Serena or whoever else you're talking about is. Eileen turned an ordinary human into a mouse, not a wizard. It doesnt matter if Eileen is stronger than Laxus, because it doesnt change the fact that he isnt an ordinary human, he is a wizard with magic power. EIleen has no feats that suggest she could turn him or even fodders like Jet or Droy into mice.

Do you even know what transmutation is? Bcs regardless of power that is a hax you need to counter. She enchanted Neinhart and 2 million wizards. Like I said all of her feats are applicable she doesn't need feats of doing it on Laxus she just needs a feat of doing it. Irene's MP >>>>>>>>>>>>> All the wizards of Ishgar. That is not even a question therefore there's is no NLF. She can't enchant Jet or Droy? You're kidding right? She has enchanted a continent, 2 mil wizards, and boosted Neinhart's MP while extracting infinite magic and she's going to have trouble enchanting one? That's a joke. She is transmutating any Ishgar wizard anytime she wants bcs she has already shown she can imbue her magic into mostly everything.

Lmao I'm sorry but when you say she can't enchant Jet or Droy (you do know transmutation is one of her enchantments?) I know I'm in a pitfall argument. There's a difference between not doing it and can't do it. That's like saying August only has 4 offensive spells (Crash, Refractor, Melt, and Laser) since you know that's all he has shown. As I've said Hiro doesn't like using hax bcs it doesn't make for an interesting battle. Mest fudged with Randi's mind and her MP is an entire different ball park yet Mest didn't try to use it on any other S12 even tho it would've been useful. There's a reason we label fights PIS and that's bcs characters don't even remotely use the best of their ability. Restriction of hax is literally the reason why FT had even bested most of the S12 despite having hax that could solo all of Ishgar in seconds.

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Larcade was stated to be a trump card against Acnologia. That S-class monster in Pandemonium was stated to be on par with Jura. Jura was stated to be on par with Gildarts.

Bottom Line?

Don't listen to empty character statements not backed up by any substance.

We've already seen Sema from Jellal and it was mountain lvl attack. Deus Sema came from planetoids away in seconds. The impact radius would've decimated everything on that battlefield. Erza busting that doesn't mean Laxus can. He has shown no feat to say he could survive it or destroy it. Plotforce is the reason they survived and Plotforce Erza would oneshot Laxus. The falling debri was able to destroy mountain structures across the battlefield. And Erza knows Jellal personally and she knows the spell if she says it's stronger than Jellal's and stated by both to destroy everything then that's what is was gonna do. That's like saying Ars Magia can't destroy the country bcs it wasn't shown to.

 

[TeamWendy]

Which means erza>=gray=END>dimaria and erza Isn't stronger than laxus so..

Where the hell did you get this? First off, END was able to break Dimaria's age seal because of the tremendous MP of END, we saw that when Dimaria used the age seal against Wendy and Sherria, Laxus also stopped BECAUSE HE WAS AFFECTED BY THE AGE SEAL of Dimaria, do you really think that Laxus has a comparable MP to END who has been hyped so much from the start?? BTW Erza was able to stop both Gray and END but that doesn't mean she can also break Dimaria's age seal, 'cause she lacks with MP, same with Laxus. Just to rebut your argument, Laxus may also able to stop Natsu's and Gray's attack like what Erza did, but it will be impossible for him to break the age seal because it has been expressly stated in the manga.