Discussion Legendary Dragon Slayer Acnologia

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It just hit me that the reason why Acnologia was immune to dragon supremacy magic wasn't because of his immense power or something but rather because he is originally a human and seems to have retained his humanity as well as dragon shifting.
 

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Anyone knows how old is Acnologia and why isnt he aging. Maybe Zeref and rest of 12 shields can kill him because he can turn himself into human form.
 

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It was stated that Zeref aided him in turning into a Dragon.
Maybe Zeref sped up the Dragonification Progress with his Magic or even gave Acnologia the Power to shape shift between his Human and his Dragon Form via free will and containing his consiousness, since, judging from Igneels worries for the Dragonification process, you may stand a Dragon forever once you turned into one, hence will be slain by Acnologia. Maybe thats the reason why Igneel & Co. created the Antibodies and resided inside their children, cause they wanted their children to live.

And maybe, while Zeref gave the Legendary Dragon Slayer the Power to freely Shape Shift, he may have transmitted a part of his Immortality and Black Magic onto Acnologia (Maybe thats why Acnologia keeps reacting on Zeref and arrives everywhere, where the Black Mage makes his presence known)?.
 

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It was stated that Zeref aided him in turning into a Dragon.
Maybe Zeref sped up the Dragonification Progress with his Magic or even gave Acnologia the Power to shape shift between his Human and his Dragon Form via free will and containing his consiousness, since, judging from Igneels worries for the Dragonification process, you may stand a Dragon forever once you turned into one, hence will be slain by Acnologia. Maybe thats the reason why Igneel & Co. created the Antibodies and resided inside their children, cause they wanted their children to live.

And maybe, while Zeref gave the Legendary Dragon Slayer the Power to freely Shape Shift, he may have transmitted a part of his Immortality and Black Magic onto Acnologia (Maybe thats why Acnologia keeps reacting on Zeref and arrives everywhere, where the Black Mage makes his presence known)?.
I doubt it. If Acnologia does appear everywhere where Zeref has made his presence known, we might've seen conflict between Alvarez and Acnologia already. I mean, Acnologia really is being made out to be an extremely strong being. For a strong mage like Zeref to have to create a massive army to take him on, Acnologia must be seen as an incredibly huge threat in Zeref's eyes, which is a real credit to Acnologia. Hiro really is beefing up his reputation as the strongest enemy.
 

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I find the idea of alvarez empire being able to take on acknologia weird. We have seen how powerful mages (jura and laxus) fare against dragons significantly less powerful than acknologia. And as far as we know even being significantly stronger wouldn't have made a difference. I could have bought zeref somehow having the sheer raw power to match acknologia but even that idea is weird and considering he built an army to face acknologia it kinda suggest that even zeref wouldn't have that kind of power. Its simply an issue of a dragon's power being immensely superior to that of the strongest humans, except if the enemy is a dragon slayer. With that in mind my impression is that zeref built his army however his intention is not directly to fight acknologia. Odds are there is some grander plan working in the background which will be his true intention when it comes to fighting acknologia. Perhaps he plans on devouring the souls of everyone in his country to power up or he has been making some sort of gargantuan magic to counter fairy heart and defeat acknolgia.
 

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Well Zeref said he plans to reproduce the dragon king festival. He also said it would consist of dragons, humans and dark mages (which seem to be the Spriggan 12).
 

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This is what I do not understand from the whole thing though. Zeref argues that he wants to die. Then he says only Natsu can kill him. Then he also states he created an army to compete against Acnologia. So if he wanted to die (and by his own admission he can't compete with Acnologia on his own) why not just face Acnologia and die like he wants? The answer probably is that Zeref deep down wants to rid the world from Acnologia first before dying.
 

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Well Zeref said he plans to reproduce the dragon king festival. He also said it would consist of dragons, humans and dark mages (which seem to be the Spriggan 12).
I thought the dragon was acknologia, humans were the mages who are going to fight and the dark mage was zeref. Nothing about the springan seems to make them dark mages so far... I guess they could be evil but so far they seem to be at best misguided zeref fanatics.

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This is what I do not understand from the whole thing though. Zeref argues that he wants to die. Then he says only Natsu can kill him. Then he also states he created an army to compete against Acnologia. So if he wanted to die (and by his own admission he can't compete with Acnologia on his own) why not just face Acnologia and die like he wants? The answer probably is that Zeref deep down wants to rid the world from Acnologia first before dying.
The issue here is the contradiction that is zeref. If he values life then he devours it unwillingly. And in that stage he presumably wants to die but can't or won't go that way because he also values his own life. If he does not value life then he genuinely wants to destroy everything.
 

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Well it's not like the Spriggan look like dark mages but it was the way that panel was presented that made me assume he was referring to the Spriggan 12 as dark mages. Also, I kinda got the impression that he'd be more of a spectator than actively involved in the DKF. Just an opinion of the whole thing.
 

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This is what I do not understand from the whole thing though. Zeref argues that he wants to die. Then he says only Natsu can kill him. Then he also states he created an army to compete against Acnologia. So if he wanted to die (and by his own admission he can't compete with Acnologia on his own) why not just face Acnologia and die like he wants? The answer probably is that Zeref deep down wants to rid the world from Acnologia first before dying.
That would explain why he left Natsu in Igneel's care tbh. He's using Natsu as a weapon against Acnologia, and the Alvarez Empire is basically a means of provoking Natsu into being angry enough so that he'll go all out. He probably figures if Natsu is powerful enough to kill himself, Natsu is powerful enough to Acnologia.
 

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Well this is my theory. Personally i have reason to believe that acnologia's human form is more of a threat rather than his dragon form. We have already seen how powerful average dragons are. And Acnologia's dragon form is more powerful then an average dragon. But i have reason to believe that his dragon tendencies are amplified by his dragon slayer powers. It was stated that he "bathed" in the blood of dragons, which we can say that he basically slaughtered dragons with ease. He became the dragon king because he dominated the dragons as a human dragon slayer (for all that we know, in the coming chapters that might not be the case but im building on what i know or have seen, so don't bite my head please) And personally when i saw that fight with igneel and acnologia, i was slightly surprised how much Aconolgia struggled, even if he lost an arm and even if igneel is the king of flames or flame dragons, acnologia is the king of dragons, the apocalyptic dragon, and to see him lose an arm like that kind of bothers me. And if natsu becomes as strong as igneel, plus his E.N.D abilities then acnologia might end up becoming a push over. but hopefully there is some hidden ability and that also goes to say that we haven't seen acnologia's element, or his original dragon slayer ability. And i would love to see acnologia's human form fight and his abilities so it gives us a better understanding and then we can compare him in each form
 

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Well something came to my mind. Zeref is also known as "Black Mage" and Acnologia is called the "Black Dragon". Considering the fact that Zeref uses Black Magic, I can see some connection between Black Magic and Acnologia.
Maybe he was weak as a DS and learned black magic to increase his power, giving birth to Black Dragon Slaying which was so OP that he could kill dragons with ease. Since he became the strongest DS (Dragon King), he wants a tougher opponent and thats why he is obsessed with Zeref.
 

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Well something came to my mind. Zeref is also known as "Black Mage" and Acnologia is called the "Black Dragon". Considering the fact that Zeref uses Black Magic, I can see some connection between Black Magic and Acnologia.
Maybe he was weak as a DS and learned black magic to increase his power, giving birth to Black Dragon Slaying which was so OP that he could kill dragons with ease. Since he became the strongest DS (Dragon King), he wants a tougher opponent and thats why he is obsessed with Zeref.
That could be the case, and that would explain alot about zeref's and aconolgia's relationship as he did say zeref helped him in turning into a dragon. But now that its been revealed that they have some sort of rivalry, i think acnologia has a bigger back story than we previously thought. Hiro might end up turning acnologia into some weirdly enough sympathetic character.
 

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Did Acnologia ever actually say that Zeref had a hand in his transformation? I don't think he did. It was that guy at the GMG that said so (can't remember his name).
 

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That are many things regarding Acnologia that needs to be answered, a arc just for him would be amazing in my opinion. Zeref was somehow related to the Dragon King Festival 400 years ago, he didn't knew Acnologia in his human form.
 

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Did Acnologia ever actually say that Zeref had a hand in his transformation? I don't think he did. It was that guy at the GMG that said so (can't remember his name).
Was it that guy that use to be apart of the council but then left and was an announcer in gmg?

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That are many things regarding Acnologia that needs to be answered, a arc just for him would be amazing in my opinion. Zeref was somehow related to the Dragon King Festival 400 years ago, he didn't knew Acnologia in his human form.
If zeref didnt know acnologia in his human form wouldn't that contradict what was said in fairy tail about zeref having something to do with his transformation.
 

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No, it's Arcadios, the chief of the military squad
 

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Was it that guy that use to be apart of the council but then left and was an announcer in gmg?

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If zeref didnt know acnologia in his human form wouldn't that contradict what was said in fairy tail about zeref having something to do with his transformation.
No because Arcadios said it. And if you read chapter 436, you'd know he doesn't know about his human form, he knows about him as the Black Dragon of Apocalypse. Most people (from the FT verse), don't know exactly what happened 400 years ago, Arcadios said that Zeref helped Acnologi turn into a dragon, while the dragons said he bathed in too much dragon blood & used to much dragon slaying magic, so that's why turned into.
 

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No because Arcadios said it. And if you read chapter 436, you'd know he doesn't know about his human form, he knows about him as the Black Dragon of Apocalypse. Most people (from the FT verse), don't know exactly what happened 400 years ago, Arcadios said that Zeref helped Acnologi turn into a dragon, while the dragons said he bathed in too much dragon blood & used to much dragon slaying magic, so that's why turned into.
Ahhh yes, that is true, although i want to know zeref and acnologia's relationship after they got "acquintated" and why zeref wants to compete with acnologia( not just because he may be stronger) but i have reason to believe acnologia and zeref got acquintated because of e.n.d
 

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Ahhh yes, that is true, although i want to know zeref and acnologia's relationship after they got "acquintated" and why zeref wants to compete with acnologia( not just because he may be stronger) but i have reason to believe acnologia and zeref got acquintated because of e.n.d
The Dragon King Festival was a 'war' between Dragon, Humans & Demons. Personally I think, as Zeref said he found the place he was looking to die, and it's called the Dragon King Festival in Ishgar. Now what I'm about to say it's a theory sorta... Zeref possibly tried to die 400 years ago, but couldn't because of something or someone interfering with his 'plan', most likely Igneel did something to E.N.D in the past, as Atlas Flame says, Igneel wasn't able to defeat E.N.D. Now E.N.D is sealed in a book, most popular theory is that Natsu is the perfect vessel to those 'demonic' powers, we will go with that. Acnologia, whose motive are still unknown, why he joined the dragons, than decided to kill them slaying almost every dragon (there might be some left, or in this 400 years gap Acnologia found every dragon and slay it...). There's something that Igneel did that made Zeref seal E.N.D (assuming he sealed him, and not someone/something else). This are stuff that connect the overall story, and Mashima can pull it off. It all boils down to what happened 400 years ago.
 
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