Fantasy Macro runs the gauntlet

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to imply that people didn't get massively stronger over the timeskip is disingenuous
Implying that people got massively stronger over the timeskip is what's disingenuous.

Natsu would be solidly outclassed by Bluenote during the Tartaros arc
Based on what? He got a bullshit 2nd origin powerup. After the 7 years timeskip he was around Max's level. Nothing indicates that the big powerup was the one in the one year timeskip rather than the 2nd origin one that was supposed to make up for 7 years of training.

Powerlevel wankery never ceases to amaze me.
 

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Powerlevel wankery never ceases to amaze me.
You just said Seilah clears 7 Dragons, August and Igneel but were wanking?
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What can I expect though, someone said Macro might work on Mercphobia
 

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The fact of the matter is, Mirajane has had multiple fights in the Alvarez and 100YQ by now. Macro was only ever a factor in one of them, and it was used to take out fodder soldiers. It didn't even take out as many soldiers as Natsu could with a regular punch. I can maybe give the benefit of the doubt of macro working on someone like Lucy assuming that she held back against her, but that's it. I'm not going to give Mirajane the benefit of doubt of being able to macro opponents she has to go all out with Alegria for. I'm certainly not going to give her the benefit of doubt against opponents that are stronger than those that have beaten her.

There are more feats of Natsu using flames of savage emotions to beat up Zeref tiers than there are of Mirajane using macro to beat Laxus tiers. Heck, there are no feats of Mirajane beating Laxus tiers. We will probably see these flames of savage emotion beat up a god dragon before Mirajane ever beats a Laxus tier. Really chew on the implications of what I just wrote.

Implying that people got massively stronger over the timeskip is what's disingenuous.



Based on what? He got a bullshit 2nd origin powerup. After the 7 years timeskip he was around Max's level. Nothing indicates that the big powerup was the one in the one year timeskip rather than the 2nd origin one that was supposed to make up for 7 years of training.

Powerlevel wankery never ceases to amaze me.
So you don't believe that the 1 year time-skip made everyone stronger. Despite the fact that it was specifically written so that Natsu could train and get stronger? Now I'm pretty certain you're trolling.
 

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Implying that people got massively stronger over the timeskip is what's disingenuous.

Based on what? He got a bullshit 2nd origin powerup. After the 7 years timeskip he was around Max's level. Nothing indicates that the big powerup was the one in the one year timeskip rather than the 2nd origin one that was supposed to make up for 7 years of training.

Powerlevel wankery never ceases to amaze me.
You seem to have completely ignored one vital part of @Axiomus ' post: Do you actually think Mirajane could macro Future Rogue and the 7 Dragons, August and Igneel? If so, can I get an explanation why?
 

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@Vis Do me a favor, and add Aldoron to the gauntlet. I want to see how people respond to this.

If people think Mirajane can macro Igneel, then she should be able to macro Aldoron. If Mirajane could macro Aldoron, then I want to see how they can possibly justify how Mirajane got taken out by Gray offscreen when she could have achieved the White Witch's goal with far greater ease than the White Witch herself. White Witch had to first weaken Aldoron before she could attempt to use white out on Aldoron. Keep in mind that White Out is technically a superior version of macro. It actually works against multiple strong people at the same time, and can make Mirajane do this.
 

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@Vis Do me a favor, and add Aldoron to the gauntlet. I want to see how people respond to this.

If people think Mirajane can macro Igneel, then she should be able to macro Aldoron. If Mirajane could macro Aldoron, then I want to see how they can possibly justify how Mirajane got taken out by Gray offscreen when she could have achieved the White Witch's goal with far greater ease than the White Witch herself. White Witch had to first weaken Aldoron before she could attempt to use white out on Aldoron. Keep in mind that White Out is technically a superior version of macro. It actually works against multiple strong people at the same time, and can make Mirajane do this.
Done. Savage panel btw. :kappa
 

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Yea......this thread is useless.
 

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@Vis Do me a favor, and add Aldoron to the gauntlet. I want to see how people respond to this.

If people think Mirajane can macro Igneel, then she should be able to macro Aldoron. If Mirajane could macro Aldoron, then I want to see how they can possibly justify how Mirajane got taken out by Gray offscreen when she could have achieved the White Witch's goal with far greater ease than the White Witch herself. White Witch had to first weaken Aldoron before she could attempt to use white out on Aldoron. Keep in mind that White Out is technically a superior version of macro. It actually works against multiple strong people at the same time, and can make Mirajane do this.
I feel I'm rubbing off on Ax.

This is their queen, lmao
 

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Lol, power levels did fail which is why they got haxed out. Still haven't shown PL busting anyone out of Macro or a similar hax to it. Heck all the mental related abilities have shown to completely bust PL.

Kyouka -> Alvarez Erza. Oneshottable Seilah -> Tartarus Erza. Kiria -> 100YQ Erza. Mest -> Every FT member and Brandish. So I am wonder where you guys are even getting that hax let alone mental hax is getting busted by PL???

Mashima's words pretty much say it ain't that deep and that hax will only be used when plot allows them to use it. He and other authors prefer to settle a fight with beat em up rather than hax. He also (like other authors) think hax bust PL. So again how is PL saving someone from Macro?
Ichiya’s smile is god-tier hax
Well he fought against Acno and still stands to tell the tale. Dude broke out of a Lapse in Time to save Anna.
 

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Well he fought against Acno and still stands to tell the tale. Dude broke out of a Lapse in Time to save Anna
Let me fix that for you. MAN
 

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@Vis Do me a favor, and add Aldoron to the gauntlet. I want to see how people respond to this.

If people think Mirajane can macro Igneel, then she should be able to macro Aldoron. If Mirajane could macro Aldoron, then I want to see how they can possibly justify how Mirajane got taken out by Gray offscreen when she could have achieved the White Witch's goal with far greater ease than the White Witch herself. White Witch had to first weaken Aldoron before she could attempt to use white out on Aldoron. Keep in mind that White Out is technically a superior version of macro. It actually works against multiple strong people at the same time, and can make Mirajane do this.
Whiteout steals magic first and then puts them under hypnosis.... The hypnosis side of it was also shown to be a joke which is why we had wishy washy Laxus and pervy Jellal. Also Wendy was the on to beat it out by countering the hax with hax lmao. Furthering that PLs don't matter.

She got taken out by Gray bcs she didn't go out of BSS the entire arc and was injured in her prior fight with Skullion so another nerf to add to the list....

Aldoron also mental hax and Selene interfered with WW before she even tried Whiteout.....
 

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Whiteout steals magic first and then puts them under hypnosis.... The hypnosis side of it was also shown to be a joke which is why we had wishy washy Laxus and pervy Jellal. Also Wendy was the on to beat it out by countering the hax with hax lmao. Furthering that PLs don't matter.

She got taken out by Gray bcs she didn't go out of BSS the entire arc and was injured in her prior fight with Skullion so another nerf to add to the list....

Aldoron also mental hax and Selene interfered with WW before she even tried Whiteout.....
Still better than macro. It actually has feats of workong on Laxus tiers (multiples actually), and well... Mirajane. If macro was so good, why couldn't Mirajane, you know.....order White Witch to stop?

That's not a real nerf. Also, why are you assuming that Gray used his demonized form in their offscreen fight, and not assuming Mirajane used her other takeovers?

Aldoron's "mental hax" is just reading people's minds and creating clones of the person they think is the strongest. White Witch had the entire arc to try to white out Aldoron while the orbs were keeping him sealed. Also, the point is that the White Witch realizes that she can't just White Out a God Dragon at full power. That's why she felt the need to weaken Aldoron before she made a move. That's why Selene was able to trick her.
 
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Still better than macro. It actually has feats of workong on Laxus tiers (multiples actually).

That's not a real nerf.

Aldoron's "mental hax" is just reading people's minds and creating clones of the person they think is the strongest. White Witch had the entire arc to try to white out Aldoron while the orbs were keeping him sealed. Also, even with Aldoron's powers being sealed by the orbs, White Witch still felt that he needed to be weakened before she made a move. That's why White Witch was able to trick her.
Except Erza is Laxus tier and it worked on Erza. Kiria's hax worked on Erza despite Erza being Laxus tier lol. I'm still not getting where PL was ever a factor with Macro.

That is a nerf as you are not allowed to use your actual power. Do you think Goku not being allowed by the author to go out of SSJ1 isn't a nerf?

It's still mental hax lol. We don't know the full depths of it and he creates perfect copies of people and there magic. The orbs interfered with her powers as shown when she touched the orb and almost turned into a tree lol. She was following the instructions of Selene and didn't even know how Aldo's powers worked in the first place so why wouldn't she be cautious? WW was fed false info and we saw when she tried absorb the seals it backfired and wrecked her. Nothing about PLs saved Aldoron.
 

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Except Erza is Laxus tier and it worked on Erza. Kiria's hax worked on Erza despite Erza being Laxus tier lol. I'm still not getting where PL was ever a factor with Macro.

That is a nerf as you are not allowed to use or ypur actual power. Do you think Goku not being allowed by the author to go out of SSJ1 isn't a nerf?

It's still mental hax lol. We don't know the full depths of it and he creates perfect copies of people and there magic. The orbs interfered with her powers as shown when she touched the orb and almost turned into a tree lol. She was following the instructions of Selene and didn't even know how Aldo's powers worked in the first place so why wouldn't she be cautious? WW was fed false info and we saw when she tried absorb the seals it backfired and wrecked her. Nothing about PLs saved Aldoron.
Yes, White Out worked on Erza and Laxus. Kyria's hypnosis also worked on Erza and Laxus. That's why they are better than macro.

Mirajane was allowed to use her actual power. She just didn't. I don't care about Goku, nor is it really relevant.

Aldoron doesn't even have a mental hax. He just reads people's minds and creates clones. This literally has nothing to do with counter macro or white out.

White Witch shouldn't have to even go near the orbs to white out Aldoron himself, now does she? White Witch didn't try to absorb the seals, and Selene didn't trick her into trying to do that. Happy threw the orb at her back. Selene tricked White Witch into destroying the orbs, which unsealed Aldoron's power.

Also, you're missing the point. The fact that White Witch feels the need to weaken the God Dragons proves that she's not confident her powers can work on a God Dragon in a direct confrontation. If she could just White Out all the God Dragons without effort, then there is no need to even steal Aldoron's power to fight Ignia. Just walk up to Ignia and steal his power.
 

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@Vis Do me a favor, and add Aldoron to the gauntlet. I want to see how people respond to this.

If people think Mirajane can macro Igneel, then she should be able to macro Aldoron. If Mirajane could macro Aldoron, then I want to see how they can possibly justify how Mirajane got taken out by Gray offscreen when she could have achieved the White Witch's goal with far greater ease than the White Witch herself. White Witch had to first weaken Aldoron before she could attempt to use white out on Aldoron. Keep in mind that White Out is technically a superior version of macro. It actually works against multiple strong people at the same time, and can make Mirajane do this.
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Done. Savage panel btw. :kappa
I ain't even trying to throw shade. The entire plot of the Aldoron arc is predicated on White Witch destroying the orbs because she feels the need to weaken Aldoron before using her white out on him. If Mirajane can just control God-Dragon level opponents, then all White Witch needed to do was sick Mirajane on Aldoron.

In fact, there's no reason why Mirajane can't still just wake up and macro Aldoron.
 

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Nah it's fine, Jko just doesn't know what no limits fallacy is.

An ability/attack needs to have feats. You don't just give it headcanon feats and claim everyone else needs feats to counter it or else it works on everyone and everything. That's not how it works. Never has.
 

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No one in FT has resisted hax with hurr to durr power levels.
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Power levels failed how many times in the 100YQ to hax? Power Levels failed how many times to hax in the original manga? When has hax not been restricted in fight unless plot allows them too? This is even brought up by the author himself and he admits that authors do not favor the use of hax over a good ol' beat em up :lmao. Mira not using Macro is just CIS, plain and simple. Y'all trying to make hypotheses as to why a character didn't use their hax like it's that deep. It's not that deep. Not doing hax =/= hax will not work. You guys try to discredit hax way too much when the manga tells us that it bust PLs. Rajinshuu, Mest, Kyouka, Seilah, Larcade, Macbeth, Eric, Sawyer, Ultear, Meredy, Makarov, ect. have all shown that hax has trumped PL.
Yeah it depends.
But, there are hax that has failed once enemy was in different tier as well.

Macro was resisted by even fodders, it's safe to assume that it wouldn't work on top tiers
 

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We really debating Macro vs Aldoron? 😂😂😂😂😂
 
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