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A long time ago on Hydra Vote Z

Spoiler: Flashback

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A relatively shorter while ago on Hydra Vote Z

Spoiler: [Before the presentation] Day 2 Belsaph arc got cut short by the Vankaku

One VanPlan in the backyard later

Spoiler: [Slide 1] - Night 2 The JoJo franchise collapses

Spoiler: [Slide 2] Day 3 Blackuchi bites the dust

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To be continued...

 

[Purity of Magi]

A bit of a flashback of this game

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Basically Takuans Lynch being discussed in a nutshell

Spoiler

Confirmed townie basically yet still pointed as suspicious

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How to throw a game

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Deadpad talk:

How the game basically ended:

How to use logic and gain trust in Raven style

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What have we learned?

Nothing.



Mafia game basically

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[Farfalla]

Ah ok, we were actually tidy so it was easy to make the final updates. Here are the lists:

Spoiler: Roles

Santa Gifts (Permanent Role Changes):

• Mason
• Mason
• Doctor (Sane if Town)
• Spy (Sane)
• Spirit Medium

Spoiler: Actions

And yes mafia was pink just cause pink = pretty red

 

[Holt]

Not really holt, especially when there a chance they could be lynched I could see that happen

Bruh, that literally happened in back to back games, iirc. Cmon now.

I didn't say there isn't a chance, I get killing confirmed town, leaving suspects for lynch. That's mafia 101. But there's a claimed freeman and quite some context to consider here. I don't realistically see mafia (knowing the freeman is legit) hoping the freeman gets lynched especially when the pool of suspects is smaller and given the numbers, there's way more chance of hitting mafia if we decided not to risk lynching a claimed freeman. That's my point. There's just too much to leave at the table

 

[Asako]

Kinda funny that shino agreeing with holt while I'm disagreeing and trust gruviii :/
This is the only game where I regret losing my det role and wish I still had it

 

[James Rye]

Still no decision? And here I thought most of you had gruvviiidor as 2nd most suspect.

Alright then.
@digitaldude You ready to die for townie? I am. Should we offer to get lynched to kill gruviiidor with our Vengeance?

 

[Gryffindor]

I didn't say there isn't a chance, I get killing confirmed town, leaving suspects for lynch. That's mafia 101. But there's a claimed freeman and quite some context to consider here. I don't realistically see mafia (knowing the freeman is legit) hoping the freeman gets lynched especially when the pool of suspects is smaller and given the numbers, there's way more chance of hitting mafia if we decided not to risk lynching a claimed freeman. That's my point. There's just too much to leave at the table

Dude, look at the recent phases. The lynches have all tunnel visioned one person. That is what they are banking on again. Like I said, if their lynch attempt backfires then they can easily go after us. I think you're not understanding this perspective because you don't have the role, so it's not as straightforward to put 2 and 2 together, we have the role so we know what is happening.

Still no decision? And here I thought most of you had gruvviiidor as 2nd most suspect.

Alright then.
@digitaldude You ready to die for townie? I am. Should we offer to get lynched to kill gruviiidor with our Vengeance?

Gajeel/Beno didn't even target us.

 

[James Rye]

Yeah, but aren't you claiming Freeman? In a 16 role game? With Santa in it? There is no way that would work in combo so that can't be true.

If Digi and I die the remaining Mafia/s can no longer try to use us as a scapegoat as they did all day after we revealed on day 2. Read back and check which one had constantly doubted our claim, you were among them, @Gryffindor . The others? Mafia scum and Santa scum. And a few paranoid proven townies but that's what happens with claims you cannot prove until you die.

 

[Asako]

Btw only 30 min left and the two nobles didn't use their anonymous vote
Haven is here but what about scari

 

[Gryffindor]

Yeah, but aren't you claiming Freeman? In a 16 role game? With Santa in it? There is no way that would work in combo so that can't be true.

If Digi and I die the remaining Mafia/s can no longer try to use us as a scapegoat as they did all day after we revealed on day 2. Read back and check which one had constantly doubted our claim, you were among them, @Gryffindor . The others? Mafia scum and Santa scum. And a few paranoid proven townies but that's what happens with claims you cannot prove until you die.

Constantly? Yeah no.

There was a Freeman with a Santa in a game Lambu hosted lol.

Town has 2 Nobles, 2 Docs, 1 BG, Masons, an apparent Prostitute, Jesus, and an apparent VT. Having Freeman as a drawback is perfectly sensible.

And again, you are ignoring Gajeel/Beno didn't target us.

 

[Holt]

Dude, look at the recent phases. The lynches have all tunnel visioned one person. That is what they are banking on again. Like I said, if their lynch attempt backfires then they can easily go after us. I think you're not understanding this perspective because you don't have the role, so it's not as straightforward to put 2 and 2 together, we have the role so we know what is happening.



Gajeel/Beno didn't even target us.

Enough about that. You ignored the other bit about what now? What's your suggestion

 

[Asako]

@scav @riki where your vote

 

[Gryffindor]

Enough about that. You ignored the other bit about what now? What's your suggestion

Ignored what?

 

[Asako]

Also haven when you use your anonymous vote tell us who it was, so we not confused with scari one

 

[Vandred]

1. Doctor (Super Mason)
2. Doctor (Insane?)
3. Bodyguard (Naive? Traitor)
4. Bulletproof
5. Jesus
6. Mason Recruiter
7. Prosecutor
8. Noble
9. Noble
10. ??? -> Prostitute (Super Mason)
11. ??? -> Detective / Freeman / Vengeful Townie
12. ??? -> Detective / Freeman / Vengeful Townie / 4th Mafia member
13. Mafia Politician
14. Mafia Robber
15. Mafia Pirate
16. Santa Claus

I'm inclined to believe Brand-X as the ones that make the more sense, their actions as well as their claims. Bullied HardYes, used Spirit Medium last night. Looks the most legit. Brilliant work if you're not.

• N1 they must have blocked the Robber.
• N2 must have been an Insane Doc kill, and Son of Sin were killed before BenoNacho recruited them. Two lost flips, unlucky.
• N3 must have been an Insane Doc kill on the Recruiter, mafia killed the Insane Doc, and the Recruiter failed to recruit. Three lost flips, very unlucky.
• N4 must have been a recruitment. Unless Gruviii are the Sleeper, the most sensible spots to place a Traitor would be Noble or VT.

Worst-case scenarios:

• If ShinKo was targeted by BenoNacho, they must be either town or Mafia Mason. If they're Mafia Mason, the mafia started with 4 members, and we lose if we mislynch today, even if DigiRye kill a mafia afterwards.
• Assuming that's not the case and there are only 2 mafia around at the moment, if we lynch DigiRye who then kill Gruviii and they're both legit, mafia kills twice and we've lost.

Both Nobles need to confirm themselves as soon as possible. Scari's idea of locking their normal vote instead of proving they still have their anon vote (which are 100% equivalent) is a big misplay and only helps being more confusing.


If both Nobles are legit, then two couples out of ShinKo, DigiRye and Gruviii must be mafia.

• If we assume Gruviii is legit, then ShinKo can't be Traitor, which means they went for Digi last night. Pretty nonsensical unless they were more afraid of VT than Spirit Medium, or Digi signaled them somehow.
• If we assume ShinKo is legit, then Digi went for Gruviii last night, which makes sense. Now they say they want them lynched, which would be 200iq manipulation. But as explained above, that would mean someone else is the Mafia Politician.
• If we assume DigiRye is legit, then ShinKo went for Gruviii last night, also makes sense. The original plan must have been to frame Gruviii, then decided to kill them after having found out they're Freeman, got a teammate instead, now they just got fortuitously cleared via Spirit Medium.

More inclined to believe Digi is the scum among those, which comes with the convenient alternative of getting an almost-assured mafia kill if they're not. Nobles please confirm yourselves (BEFORE there are two minutes left).


That's it from me, I can't make any more sense about this game than this.

 

[James Rye]

Constantly? Yeah no.

There was a Freeman with a Santa in a game Lambu hosted lol.

Town has 2 Nobles, 2 Docs, 1 BG, Masons, an apparent Prostitute, Jesus, and an apparent VT. Having Freeman as a drawback is perfectly sensible.

And again, you are ignoring Gajeel/Beno didn't target us.

Yeah but that was a big game with more than 20 roles. We had 16 and so far a single det who lost his role early on. No spy, no 2nd det, not even a real spirit medium just a santa sm. This game cannot have a freeman because town is way too undergunned with investigation roles and all its protection roles were already killed or replaced with other roles. Freeman makes no sense if town has not the means to FIND scumbags themselves.

And like scav said, either you or shinko are lying and I rather put my money or in this case bullet on the freeman claim because that one doesn't fly with me since a) you're still alive and b) santa would insta win with two nights in a row handing over gifts as there was only one prostitute to block such a gift and there is no way the prostitute can get lucky enough to actually block the gift. We already got really lucky with the mafia robber being blocked night 1 and only found sirmalade because of the role change to det claim.
Freeman claim is bollocks.

 

[Holt]

We're going to confirm ourselves shortly

 

[digitaldude]

Vote now guys no time left.

 

[Asako]

I'm more worried about scari as they not here

 

[Gryffindor]

Yeah but that was a big game with more than 20 roles. We had 16 and so far a single det who lost his role early on. No spy, no 2nd det, not even a real spirit medium just a santa sm. This game cannot have a freeman because town is way too undergunned with investigation roles and all its protection roles were already killed or replaced with other roles. Freeman makes no sense if town has not the means to FIND scumbags themselves.

And like scav said, either you or shinko are lying and I rather put my money or in this case bullet on the freeman claim because that one doesn't fly with me since a) you're still alive and b) santa would insta win with two nights in a row handing over gifts as there was only one prostitute to block such a gift and there is no way the prostitute can get lucky enough to actually block the gift. We already got really lucky with the mafia robber being blocked night 1 and only found sirmalade because of the role change to det claim.
Freeman claim is bollocks.

This makes no sense.

Who says there has to be a detective in this game? Panfalla probably wanted couples to work together to catch Mafia as opposed to letting the role do it for you.

It's a real SM, doesn't matter if it was a votechange because of Santa.

Undergunned? How is the fact that 3 protective roles died have anything to do with the Freeman? Hosts put 3 Protectors, that they died has nothing to do with the Freeman, but they were there.

I'm alive precisely because Mafia is hoping people with your point of view lynch us.

Santa would only insta win if the Freeman died on D3/N3. Mute point.

You are ignoring Spirit Medium results just because you don't want to believe there is a Freeman.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 13, 2020 ---

*rolechange, not votechange

 

[James Rye]

We got 8 more watching so one of them might be riki or scav. I do hope they vote and say who they used their anon vote on in time else next day will just be more problematic for town to make sense of if two of their confirmed townies suddenly become suspect.

 

[Holt]

Ignored what?

I literally asked in same post? What is your suggestion?

 

[Gryffindor]

I literally asked in same post? What is your suggestion?

Shinko. The results are there.