Games Mafia Game 87 - Baccano! - END GAME

[Lambu]

you think i would throw hardy under the bus if i were mafia. lmao. nice brain you have. well suits a pigeon

You tell me, you literally just hinted at it in a stroke of ego, we know you are impulsive player so now Im going to consider the possibility

 

[digitaldude]

I am using the rail tracer kill tonight btw AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAHAHAHAH

 

[Raven]

You tell me, you literally just hinted at it in a stroke of ego, we know you are impulsive player so now Im going to consider the possibility

the problem is you think it's a stroke of ego thats why you will look bad.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 21, 2020, Original Post Date: Dec 21, 2020 ---

Im going to consider the possibility

Consider what you want, It weight nothing.

 

[GrySun]

desin how about you just claim and not wait for Farf?

Like, Farf could still be mafia but I feel like trusting her due to Hardy vote(would be very easy for her to argue xnut is safer, then as Hardy learns a role all traces of M. Apprentice go away) + she got into a situation with Gajeel that would be bad for her if he was lynched and showed town.

+ the usual that Spy is an awful claim for mafia. I get a paranoid spy pretending, but she not getting anything from Gajeel isn't something someone faking Paranoid Spy would do.

 

[Baka Taichou]

Ok sakura so lets assume all double roles are legit, who are 5 names you could name to be mafia?

I don't trust:

xnut - definite mafia
HII - leaning towards mafia
lambu - not sure
gnut - not sure
orgz - not sure


that doesn't mean I don't still have doubts about the double roles.

If double roles wouldn't be possible I'd say liers would be:

DD
farf
van

 

[Farfalla]

that's if they knew who demon's target was

I meant they could have failed out of not knowing his target, but what Gry wrote makes more sense.

 

[Lambu]

the problem is you think it's a stroke of ego thats why you will look bad.

Wasn't the thing that would make me look bad the post before you quoted me that?

Idk what there could possibly be to reveal in a "gotcha!" other than her being Mafia Mason, but I have difficulties believing that with how she lynched Hardy, and her current suspects I certainly also agree with.

I think she slipped hard, not a lynch candidate rn but we definitely cannot consider her to be confirmed anymore, not until a det proves her.

 

[digitaldude]

There isnt anyone besides xnut thats 100% a mafia. Its dangerous to lynch a townie at this stage.

 

[Farfalla]

I went silent cause I was cooking lol. @Farfalla did you get a spy result and was it on me or Vandred by any chance?

I don't like how you make those questions before sharing, tbh. Second time you do so.

 

[Baka Taichou]

and the way you and lambu seem to be so buddy buddy makes me think you're together in some way. But that would also make me doubt Shad and I refuse to go there atm ))

 

[Lambu]

@Farfalla opinion in the Raven convo rn?

 

[Shad]

btw @Shad , who do you think would be the best lynch choice for today?

I kinda trust you and Raven the most so far, raven especially after the Hardy stunt yesterday, but today she wants to go for desin, and I'm not entirely sure about that, and that's because I have a theory in which the possibility of duplicate roles to actually be possible.

And that's because there are so many blocking and protecting and killing actions because of the RT, that can be used by both parties, but can definitely be more advantageous to mafia since they're unknown to us and free to choose targets during the night, whereas we on the other hand need to figure out who's worth protecting and have high chances of protecting the same targets with more than one RT which is such a waste, because if we straight out claim to protect someone in particular mafia will do the math and make out who to kill instead....

So with that in mind, townies having 2 spies 2 hoes and 2 bps isn't that farfetched in my mind. Correct me if my thinking is farfetched.

So if we go for desin and he proves to be prostitute, then welp, what do we do next? kill vandred, and if vandred proves to be also prostitute we're fucked, we just killed both blocking roles.
There also seems to not be any hiders in the game so someone hiding behind me or DD at night to avoid death is also not an option... and we're out in the open so obviously won't be killed by night. And while I'd see it as an advantage to be BP right now, there's a high chance one of us will be eventually lynched, and if you choose me and I end up BP like I claim then what? kill DD too? what if he's also BP? (or vice versa) and from the way he's been playing he's definitely not been his usual troll self, but then again after he got lynched last game while being townie, he might have decided to change his approach on the way he's playing (or using it as a cover for his mafia play), and I know I am what I claim to be so yeah...
And ofc same thing goes for second spy claim, as the first spy is already dead....

And in ending of my theory, the double roles can be possible also because of the level of distrust double claims will inflict. Making it more likely for them to be lynched than night killed.

Anyway, my two cents, I'm gonna go with either Shad or Raven's decisions today.

Sakura first I want to congratulate you for being very chill this game, I really think you improved a lot, and except the xnut discussion I believe he was a big part of why it went wrong, you didn't over react to people suspecting you, which is normal in this game.

I hope you continue to look at things objectively and not take things personally when we start asking you question, as you said yourself there is a chance it will happen, with the current situation.

Then I want to add that the mechanic was designed for a game with multiple parties, them being mostly all gone and this going back to a mafia vs town situation is making the mechanic abusable by town, especially if mafia screwed up and used multiple people to summon a kill on N1, this is a hope but it may be true.

I think first thing we do today is figure out everybody's actions, we can find a clear target just like that, farf will go last, not because we trust more than others but because she claimed spy.

We can't kill xnut today, because @Belserion may have an Elixir to pass.

I suggested D1 that passing the Elixir is better than using it for town, as passing it can confirm the passer, at that time I didn't think about it, but I checked yesterday and BG can protect against strongman kills, so since we have 2 alive today, we can safely pass 2 Elixirs.

1 Should definitively go for Gry, no discussion.
I don't want an Elixir as I'm roleless (I have another minor reason but will share later in the day).

The other Elixir I'm not sure yet who should get it.

I have some small reasons to trust you a bit less than @digitaldude
As a BP he thought N1 to go for Elixir and pass it, and was very transparent about it, you didn't think about doing this or did you?
Since DD has an elixir he could confirm himself today, so that will leave only you.

This is excluding any wierd mafia play, where they pass Elixir to gain trust, I don't think it possible but just keeping that in mind.

 

[desin24]

Wasn't the thing that would make me look bad the post before you quoted me that?



I think she slipped hard, not a lynch candidate rn but we definitely cannot consider her to be confirmed anymore, not until a det proves her.

Pretty unlikely at this point and Gry can use the Det only once with necromancy without knowing the sanity

 

[digitaldude]

Imagine not trusting me.

 

[GrySun]

and the way you and lambu seem to be so buddy buddy makes me think you're together in some way. But that would also make me doubt Shad and I refuse to go there atm ))

How many times have you accused me now of being buddy-buddy with someone I'm not? Holt, hardy, Lambu?

 

[Lambu]

and the way you and lambu seem to be so buddy buddy makes me think you're together in some way. But that would also make me doubt Shad and I refuse to go there atm ))

Gry and I aren't being "buddies" tho, we stand in completely different positions.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 21, 2020, Original Post Date: Dec 21, 2020 ---

Pretty unlikely at this point and Gry can use the Det only once with necromancy without knowing the sanity

Then she cannot be confirmed until she dies, and they are never going to kill her ayyy

 

[GrySun]

Sakura have you done anything any of the nights?

 

[Raven]

I was the main reason of lynching Hardy, I could have easily did the opposite if i were Mafia. However, I'm not against lynching me. If townies think it's a good choice.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 21, 2020, Original Post Date: Dec 21, 2020 ---

Lambu or Desin lynch is more worth than anything right now with such amazing claims.

 

[Farfalla]

@Farfalla opinion in the Raven convo rn?

I can totally picture her making that kind of gloat post out of being a mafia mason and thinking that's an amazing move, just how she was so proud of dropping that message that helped our team to lose some games ago. Yeah, it's something to have in mind. Still weird why she'd protect the recruiter as a mafia mason tho, so she still has that, but again, nothing solid, weird plays happen all the time.

 

[desin24]

Then she cannot be confirmed until she dies, and they are never going to kill her ayyy