Fantasy Mercophobia vs Igneel

[WoWfan]

Transmutation and genetic modification at a very specific scale, and Bluenote’s black hole can be measured by mass rather than just size

As Hiro states that magic makes things that are normally hard to achieve possible

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

There no science no prove that you can turn into someone in to mouse.
Bluenote Blacknote is irrelevant since it's very weak and barely did any damage even Tenrou Island.

 

[Arjuna]

I don't know why Wow is dead set on Acnologia fighting Igneel in the past while the manga clearly portrays the opposite,

Just imagine it in a logical way


Suppose Igneel really fought Acnologia in the past would Acnologia left him alive?On the other hand he would have killed him like in Tartaros.


Secondly in his half dead state he tore off Acnologia's arm, you are telling me that his prime self couldn't do any permanent damage to Acnologia while his half dead state can????

It's completely contradictory

Calculations aren't proof of anything when magic in FT has no relation to science. MP isn't the same as force, large mp=/=large force, so lifting large things doesn't equate to being powerful magic. Pulling down a meteor from space is leagues upon leagues more impressive than anything in the manga, at least by science, doesn't make Jellal and Eileen the strongest in the universe.

You forgot about Dimaria too,if I go by pure science her feats of stopping the flow of time will be considered an universal feat.

 

[WoWfan]

Magic as Hiro stated makes things that are hard to accomplish possible so that would still apply as well. And it doesn’t matter as Bluenote’s black hole is measured by it’s mass which would still be around City Level if we do not go by Schwartzchild Radius

And no, Dimaria would likely be Pocket Dimension manipulator with time manipulation.

Yes Acno would still be alive as he beat all the other dragons and is clearly stronger than Igneel, they did fight on account of the scars Igneel had, Igneel just had PoF that allowed him to put up some resistence

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

You forgot about Dimaria too,if I go by pure science her feats of stopping the flow of time will be considered an universal feat.

Actually these scientific calculations are done by some die hard fans do a vsbattle to shit on other series.

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I don't get why are using POF. POF is the very reason FT members survived as long as they did.

 

[WoWfan]

That is not enough to warrant universal feats

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And no PoF applies to all users of magic as it is linked between nature and spirit which can include organisms as well, even by real world logic, there is a chemical substance in the body called dopamine which raises one’s feelings of joy and other emotions similar and also adrenaline which can make one able to last longer, and with how magic operating as it does based on one’s mental state, it makes sense that these would give those with PoF strength. But it is more of the specific area with bonds, and even the One Magic is considered love which makes sense, and if you look at it from a theological stand point, in one of the passages of the Bible, “there is no greater love than this, to lay down one’s life for their friends” I find this to blow my mind.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

So Acnologia also had POF when was fighting against Igneel.

 

[WoWfan]

No, his default emotion is rage and death drive, not the qualifications for PoF which is pro life and stuff

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Igneel also had rage and hatred so no PoF is suppose.

 

[WoWfan]

No, Igneel was fighting for his son and for the prosperity of the humans, that is fighting for the sake of others which qualifies even if it ment fighting Acno to the death

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Acnologia was fighting to kill a dragon. A species he blaims reponsible for death of this family. So he had rage POF that just Gray did when he fought invel.

 

[WoWfan]

That is revenge, to make himself feel better, he basically craved blood and destruction to all, hardly a benevolent person, Igneel was fighting for justice, he could not change the past, but he is taking responsibility to put an end of their dark legacy. Gray’s Devil slayer magic works specifically different as it is stated to feed on his dark side. Some Magic’s have their own specific areas of emotion and what with their different effects on their magic are

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

He did crave for blood but at the same time he was fighting to kill a dragon that muredered his family. He should be equally high on adrenaline in that fight so that doesn't take away feats from Igneel which are very good for half dead dragon.

 

[WoWfan]

There’s the thing, “a” dragon, and yet he does not stop with the killing, he just kills and kills and kills more, that benefits no one, unless you are justifying all murders that happen to not be related to one’s revenge. He is not fighting to justify anything or anyone as he does it for his own sake because he wants to. Hardly the qualifications of PoF which benefits those who supports life and those close to them.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

He literally says that he can't let any dragon live. That's his very being as dragon slayer during his fight against natsu and other DS proves his hatred for this dragon that killed his family. He was running on adrenaline as well.

 

[WoWfan]

But that adrenaline only operates for PoF if said individual if fighting for the sake of others in the right way, Acnologia is fighting for himself against those who did nothing to his family, even humans, there is no justification there

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Even it was Igneel fighting on POF doesn't take away his feats.

 

[WoWfan]

It does say the level of difference there was between them though in both times they fought, PoF is what let him fight for as long as he did but still lost, Doesn’t say much anyway for this battle

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

So no different Natsu beating Zeref or Acnologia.

 

[WoWfan]

Natsu uses flames of emotion which is the more emotional he gets the more intense his flames became, and when he beat Zeref, it was temperature at that point where physics was breaking down to effect time and thus Zeref. With Acno, Natsu was powered by 7 Dragon Slayers, turned into a partial dragon and he was held in place by Fairy Sphere so he could not stop the attack.