Fantasy Mercophobia vs Igneel

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

partial dragon and he was held in place by Fairy Sphere so he could not stop the attack.

That was DF not a partial dragon like in Dragon Cry. Still its POF nothing more.

 

[WoWfan]

DF is becoming partial dragon as they take on the characteristics of a dragon and that is the only way to actually hurt Acno, past his magical harm immunity and other conventional weapons.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Acnologia has resistant not 100 immunity to magic.

 

[WoWfan]

He does have immunity to magical harm as no magic has shown to work on him, he is only effected by non lethal Magics like U1 and Fairy Sphere.

 

[Seven777]

Oh right, forgot Acno's family was killed by dragons. Was mostly just joking when I said Acno had PoF, since it was obvious neither dragon had it, but looks like there is an argument that can be made for Acno legitimately having PoF in that fight.

I don't know why Wow is dead set on Acnologia fighting Igneel in the past while the manga clearly portrays the opposite,

Just imagine it in a logical way


Suppose Igneel really fought Acnologia in the past would Acnologia left him alive?On the other hand he would have killed him like in Tartaros.


Secondly in his half dead state he tore off Acnologia's arm, you are telling me that his prime self couldn't do any permanent damage to Acnologia while his half dead state can????

It's completely contradictory




You forgot about Dimaria too,if I go by pure science her feats of stopping the flow of time will be considered an universal feat.

Exactly, magic is outside the realm of science, that's why it's magic. Trying to determine how powerful someones magic is with calculations is pointless when we've seen magic break the laws of physics time and time again with absolutely no consistency. We have virtually no knowledge of how each individual magic works or how much power it requires, only that it's wildly inconsistent between different magics. With all those factors unknown it is literally impossible to make any calculation that does not revolve around the calculators head-canon. The best you can do is calculate how much real life force is required, which means little since real life force doesn't equate to magical power, as shown by Jellal and Eileen being weaker than Merc despite accomplishing a far greater feat of force by pulling down meteors from space.
Besides, it's not like it was ever stated Merc lifted the ocean with force, for all we know it's his connection with water that simply allows him to command where it moves, like how Juvia makes it rain when she's sad.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Even if he does doesn't change the fact that natsu was running on POF during that fight which proves pof Igneel even half dead was a match for acnologia

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Besides, it's not like it was ever stated Merc lifted the ocean with force, for all we know it's his connection with water that simply allows him to command where it moves, like how Juvia makes it rain when she's sad.

Exactly It would have been great feat if Merc wasn't water dragon. Skullion turning the sea to ash is much of a feat than that.

 

[WoWfan]

Being half dead does not mean he is a match for either dragon, even with PoF since it only gave him a temporary boost. It was stated he lifted the Ocean as that is how magic works, it requires energy to do it, it doesn’t matter as magic does any of the things that science does and more as it comes from reason and is born of both nature and spirit. Skullion would have been dead at that point even Merc At 50%. Many magical feats can still be explained away with science while magic makes things that are normally hard to do possible

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Even half dead he managed rip acno's arm which surpasses anything merc can muster. Merc can't straight out kill Skullion because Skullion will teleport himself out when he see merc's strength. Unlike Natsu he has other escape magic.

 

[Seven777]

Magic requires energy, but the amount required doesn't at all correlate to the force that would be required in real life. For example, it could take more magic to lift a medium sized rock than it would to lift a boulder, if the magic used to lift a boulder was earth magic and the magic used to lift a rock was wind magic. Magic required in FT=/=force required in real life, this is a provable fact. One that can't be countered for as long as we've got characters like Jellal and Eileen accomplishing feats of force in an entirely different realm of impressiveness, compared to their betters like Merc.

 

[WoWfan]

It doesn’t since it only shows that even with PoF in a half dead state, he does not scale to Acnologia, it was a miracle he could do some damage to him at all. Merc is already on Acno’s level and that goes to show how weak Skullion is in comparison

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It does and besides force is not a unit of measurement for kinetic energy which is what we determine the strength of lifting the ocean. And besides lifting a bolder would be the same thing with kinetic energy, unless you lift it physically which is still just finding the mass of something you lift, which there is no real difference as even with physical strength has magic power too with MPF. Jellal and Irene’s feats are Measured in kinetic energy too

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

I didn't say Skullion is stronger than Merc.
Merc has no feats to suggest to he is on the level of acnologia.

 

[WoWfan]

He does though, lifting the ocean, and comparable to base Acno’s level too by scaling to etherion

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Igneel easily to scales etherion by your logic proven with damage he did to acno while merc did building level damage.

 

[WoWfan]

Igneel did not beat Acno though, at prime, nor in weakened state, even with PoF though, but with Merc, he can still easily scale to a Acno even in 50% power.

And the funny thing about PoF, while a legitimate power, is something hard to measure

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

And the funny thing about PoF, while a legitimate power, is something hard to measure

Very same thing same thing FT has been using.

Again Igneel ripping acno's arm surpass anything merc has shown.

 

[WoWfan]

Even with PoF, Fairy Tail loses some of their fights. Yet still does not prove Igneel can beat Merc even with half the strength, High End for Merc

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

You can go with your opinion.
Mid Diff for Igneel.

Even with PoF, Fairy Tail loses some of their fights

When has FT lost when using POF. Don't use dragon eaters as an example.
Only time Natsu lost was to Cobra that's all.

 

[WoWfan]

And you can go with yours as I believe otherwise

Just to name a few without FT members gaining an external power-up during the fight: Jellal, Jose, Seven Kin of Purgatory members, Hades, Oracion Seis, Acnologia, Silver, Tartaros members.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Ofcourse

Jellal = Natsu gained power up by eating broken pieces of Etherion-infused Lacrima that was in tower heaven.

Jose = Team Natsu never fought Jose. Erza fought her briefly but Makarov interrupted.

Hades = Natsu got a powerup from Laxus.

Acnologia = Meredy helped lucy to strengthen the fairy sphere with her magic which acno would have broken otherwise.

 

[WoWfan]

Eating Etherion pieces ain’t the same as PoF, Erza, Elfman, Gray fought Jose and lost, power up from Laxus ain’t the same as PoF, even Laxus lost, I was referring to the first time with Tenrou, but even then Meredith used her magic which explicitly deals with strength of emotions and allows their amplification or connect them together which the spell FS also utilized Emotions of bonds