Fantasy Mercophobia vs Igneel

[WoWfan]

Thankfully the magic aspect has that covered as consequence is not an issue in this universe. The manga even states it is an ocean, so I am not inserting anything. Kind of like many other mangas that do something similar

That math and science comes from statements and showings in the manga, water is fluid and can change shape just as it has shown before. I have, you just ignore them with bad reasons, I have, you didn’t

 

[Seven777]

Ha, so magic means science doesn't apply? I remember saying something similar. Sorry chum, you can't pick and choose when science applies and when it doesnt. You also don't get to trade your own words with the words present in the manga to make a feat seem more impressive, so even if calcs mattered(they don't) your calcs based on lifting an "ocean" were already nonsense to begin with, because the manga says sea.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Thankfully the magic aspect has that covered as consequence is not an issue in this universe.

Another baseless assumption you came up with to prove your logic is right. Ocean can't regenerate itself within few days.

It was stated he flipped the sea not an ocean.

 

[WoWfan]

Magic and science applies together, where it comes from reason to go beyond reason. It does when they are one and the same here. I don’t when the words that I say are in the manga before I even say them. They are not nonsense as that is the amount of energy to lift something as such speed and with that much mass

They are based on the manga as your assumptions are more baseless than not, it is one of many oceans which can just be filled up and the remaining water returned to the ocean, and before it was stated to be ocean

 

[Seven777]

In short you are applying one aspect of science and ignoring another aspect of science to suit your argument, got it. Just another reason why your calcs mean nothing. Ocean is not a word present in that chapter, you basing your calcs on a word not present makes them meaningless.

 

[WoWfan]

I do not, I and many others apply the science as it is, and let the magic (manga) take care of the rest, like how something similar to Bleach did it. It is present in previous chapters, even when Merc did not have the power showed side effects, which only furthers the point I make home

 

[Seven777]

But not present in the chapter that actually describes what that spell did, enough said.
Your saying the science behind lifting the water has to be followed while saying the science behind burning the water doen't have to be followed, sorry friend, that's picking and choosing, it's a double standard and it makes any calculations you've made, meaningless.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

It was stated be a sea not ocean. I haven't see where it was stated be an ocean.
Magic don't regenerate an Ocean just because you say so.
Didn't change a damn thing that He lifted water worth of town and did building level damage.

 

[WoWfan]

What the spell did was raise the ocean up, and that requires energy which can be estimated by speed and mass. That is why there is magic involved as well, it originates from reason and goes beyond it. You can have either and/or both. People have done it before and it is valid in math and science, I follow how they do it

It was stated as ocean before and no reason for it to make any difference now, in when they arrive in the town and when Merc talks about his abilities. Magic can if one knows a spell but that is not the point as there is still more ocean in the world than the one he raised and threw back, he lifted and oceans worth, and Ignia evaporated most of it

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Spell raised the sea. He didn't lift an ocean just because you say so when it was nothing water worth of a town.

 

[WoWfan]

It is tethered to one’s life which even effects one’s physical condition as well, as we have seen deprivation or spending of one’s magic can do. As it is an ocean as it is stated before like how it is after.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

It is tethered to one’s life which even effects one’s physical condition as well, as we have seen deprivation or spending of one’s magic can do.

Irrelevant.

Erza's say he flipped sea in to sky i don't know where you are getting ocean.

 

[WoWfan]

Relevant, it says ocean when they arrived in the town and when Merc talks about his powers, and he wasn’t even 50% power at that point. So it is an ocean

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

He lift sea not an ocean. If he lift an ocean it sure won't something as some as town.

 

[WoWfan]

It is the ocean as there is nothing left of it on the ground. Again, water of fluid which doesn’t have a permanent shape or form, just like how all the worlds water in real life gathered together would just look like a droplet the size of several states, even then it looks larger than the town in the manga

 

[Seven777]

Actually Merc calls it a sea too, he says "my sea", there is even a chapter called "Dragons Sea" and most importantly it was called sea when it flipped. There is no reason to think he lifted an ocean instead of a sea when we have the actual statement about that particular spell confirming it as a sea, as well as the visual reference that has it so small. No reason at all

 

[WoWfan]

It says ocean when the town sinks into the ocean and even Merc said the ocean the town sank into by the side effects of his powers right after he said my sea, the kanji can mean ocean as well. Besides all this happened before he got to his 50% which would make less sense if his spell was smaller/weaker than his weaker form that raised the ocean

 

[Seven777]

Making the tide come in on top of a mere town, over the course of a day, isn't the same thing as lifting it up in the sky. Merc has described it as a sea, the chapter title describes it as a sea, the actual spell that he used to lift the water is confirmed as a sea, and the visual reference supports it as well. Occasional use of the word ocean referencing an entirely different spell does not confirm he lifted an ocean, you don't get to pick and choose which is the more accurate description, at best you can say you are not sure what Merc lifted, which just makes the feat even less unstable than it already is(not that feats of size matter anyway).

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

It just lifted a water worth of a town and did building level damage with those pillars which were tanked by even lucy and wendy.

 

[WoWfan]

It doesn’t change the fact that he stated it was an ocean, chapter title further down also describes it as an abyss which is only shown in oceans levels which is the abyssal zone which light does not pass through which makes sense as the water was so dark you could not even see something as big as Ignia who has a fire tail. When it all happens when he is in a weaker form does make it an ocean when he is in a stronger form as well, if the method, logic and consistency makes sense then it is an ocean.

KT so a regular dragon is stronger than Igneel and Acno, is that what you are saying? The pillars did not even hit Lucy nor wendy just the shockwave from which ever distance