Fantasy Mercophobia vs Igneel

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But unlike any form of offensive magics, Face just absorbs magic, in the same way that God Slayers can eat flames from other fire type slayers. knocked out or not, which is not what I am saying, I am saying that he dropped because of his unnatural magical dragon form which is still effected by Face which takes away magic. We did not see Acno get hit by Igneel when he dropped, wounds do not matter as he just dropped because of the loss of magic Acnologia can still move around even with a lost arm, traumatic injuries from minor cuts and bruises is not the same thing, so it was something more than that. No, Ingeel would have won by simply killing Acnologia, which is the whole point of them going through all of this planning in the first place. Universe One Technique does effect Acnologia though, including all life forms in the effected area as they are teleported to different locations. And Space and Time are still part of magic just like nature and spirit. He is unaffected by magic that are intentionally harming him, just like how Natsu is still effected by various effects from different flames despite not harming him or flames that do bypass his defenses. I am not saying that Face wipes out Magic right away, it was over time as even Christina was still afloat even while close to a Face, that what how I have been saying it this whole time. That does not mean that Acnologia isn't effected still as he was being drained of magic.
U have no proof that. ur just assuming when every1 was a ok 2. how is acno affected that badly that he suddenly fell on the ground?? he the strongest on the verse my guy 3. Ingeel was half dead and till put damage on acno. Merc best feat is getting slap by natsu who is at best gmg dragon lvl 4. Lift an ocean doesn’t mean nothing when igneel will just burn it away
 

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because he is a person who's entire physiology is changed via magic, that is how DSM works, just like how a take over user's physiology changes via magic, and they return to normal when losing magic. putting damage is not the same as defeating him, I agree if he was at full power, that maybe a different store, you be surprised as to how powerful lifting an ocean is, standard Acno scales to Etherion which can obliterate a country, and countries in FT are rather large which yields a high result.
 

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Acnologia has resistance to all forms of magic due to his dragon slayer magic. He is resistant to all types of magic the same way Natsu is to fire. This applies even when Acnologia is human. Face is a magic that drains other magic. If anyone has resistance to face, it's Acnologia. The other parent dragons are not resistant to all forms of magic like he is, and their magic would have been drained by face like everyone else. Acnologia would have been the last person on the continent to be fully drained, and we know he wasn't fully drained because he still had enough magic to keep his dragon form going.

We did not see most of Igneel's fight with Acnologia because it was off-screen. What we do see is that Acnologia had fresh cuts on his torso and he was spitting out blood from his mouth. Face wouldn't have caused those injuries. People far weaker than Acnologia weren't coughing up blood, having cuts open up on their bodies, and falling unconscious. Acnologia can indeed resist a lot of pain, but you can get knocked out without feeling much pain as well. Igneel thought he won after he downed Acnologia. He wasn't expecting Acnologia to have so much power left over. It wasn't as if Igneel was incapable of biting Acnologia while he was down.

Universe One doesn't affect anybody directly. It warps the land around them. Acnologia cannot be immune to Universe One because there is quite literally nothing to be immune to. Irene is enchanting the land, not Acnologia. If Irene was trying to enchant Acnologia himself, he would be resistant to it. I am not sure what your point about Natsu is about. Natsu has resistance to flames, but he can still be damaged by them. Most notably, he burns himself when he uses flames that are too powerful. There is probably a limit to Acnologia's resistance to magic as well, but that's not the point here. The point is that Acnologia would have a resistance to magic that the other parent dragons don't, and that makes him more resistant to face. The parent dragons and Igneel, who have less resistance to magic overall than Acnologia does, weren't dropping from face.

Lifting the ocean isn't as impressive as taking one of Acnologia's arms. Ignia was able to fairly casually swim through the ocean that Mercphobia lifted. Then when Ignia launched his attack on the city, Mercphobia actually drops all the water down in an attempt to put out the flames. The attempt was unsuccessful, and the leftover flames gave Natsu to power to beat Mercphobia. Ignia wouldn't have struggled at all if he had personally fought Mercphobia. However, assuming that Ignia was exactly as strong as Acnologia, he would have lost an arm fighting Igneel.
 
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Acnologia is resistant to magics that would harm him but he still feels the effects just like how Natsu still feels the effects of various flames he eats such as cold, smell, even flames that bypass his durability. Their magic would have been drained as well but not all at once, just like everyone else, including Acnologia, and he would likely have had fallen from loss of magic energy. If he wasn't expecting to have much power left over then he wouldn't have wasted his time with assuming victory when his mission was to "Kill" Acnologia. fresh wounds or long lasting wounds are not the pint, the point is actually seeing or proving that it was Igneel that knocked him out, I am willing to believe that it was Face that either dropped him or Face weakened him to the point where he was distracted long enough for Igneel to land the blow that knocked him out, but I do not believe in anyway that it was Igneel that knocked out Acnologia with his own strength when he clearly had no chance to begin with. directly or not, U1 still effected people, and out of everyone on Fiore, it was Acnologia that was sent the farthest away. just like how there was no way to be immune to Face as it was a means of making Magic vanish. Natsu can only be damaged by Flames that bypass his defenses, such as God Flames as they surpass the flames of Dragons, or when his body literally became a bomb, or when his flames reached a temperature that breaks the laws of physics. point is that Acnologia is basically immune to harmful magics, while he still has some resistance to other magical effects but not totally, that is why he was effected by Face. Standard Acnologia, and the Five Dragon Gods are described to be on the same level as one another, there maybe some minor deviations but still around the same level, just like with 9 out of 12 Spriggans are of the same level as each other, that right there is impressive enough, and this was 50% Merc, and those were the flames from another Dragon God which is logical as to match the strength of another DG to a DG.
 

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Acnologia is resistant to magics that would harm him but he still feels the effects just like how Natsu still feels the effects of various flames he eats such as cold, smell, even flames that bypass his durability. Their magic would have been drained as well but not all at once, just like everyone else, including Acnologia, and he would likely have had fallen from loss of magic energy. If he wasn't expecting to have much power left over then he wouldn't have wasted his time with assuming victory when his mission was to "Kill" Acnologia. fresh wounds or long lasting wounds are not the pint, the point is actually seeing or proving that it was Igneel that knocked him out, I am willing to believe that it was Face that either dropped him or Face weakened him to the point where he was distracted long enough for Igneel to land the blow that knocked him out, but I do not believe in anyway that it was Igneel that knocked out Acnologia with his own strength when he clearly had no chance to begin with. directly or not, U1 still effected people, and out of everyone on Fiore, it was Acnologia that was sent the farthest away. just like how there was no way to be immune to Face as it was a means of making Magic vanish. Natsu can only be damaged by Flames that bypass his defenses, such as God Flames as they surpass the flames of Dragons, or when his body literally became a bomb, or when his flames reached a temperature that breaks the laws of physics. point is that Acnologia is basically immune to harmful magics, while he still has some resistance to other magical effects but not totally, that is why he was effected by Face. Standard Acnologia, and the Five Dragon Gods are described to be on the same level as one another, there maybe some minor deviations but still around the same level, just like with 9 out of 12 Spriggans are of the same level as each other, that right there is impressive enough, and this was 50% Merc, and those were the flames from another Dragon God which is logical as to match the strength of another DG to a DG.
The point is that there is nothing to suggest that the drain that Acnologia felt would have been greater than the drain anyone else felt. The parent dragons, who had less magical power and less resistance to magic overall, did not drop when face activated. Igneel would have felt the same drain as he was fighting Acnologia. Even if Acnologia wasn't completely immune to face, he was still more resistant to all types of magic than the other dragons. He also had more magic power than the other dragons. The other dragons are not immune to face either and would have felt the exact same drain, and none of them were knocked out of the sky and started to cough up blood. So with everything being equal, the only reasonable explanation for Acnologia falling was due to the injury he sustained from fighting Igneel. This is especially compelling when you look at the wounds that accompanied Acnologia when he fell.

Universe One doesn't directly affect anyone. It shifts around the land around people. Acnologia never left Fiore because Universe One doesn't affect anything outside of Fiore. What Universe One does is that it shrinks the landmass and shifts everything around. Everyone stays in the area that was once Fiore. Acnologia just ended up in the space that is now ocean.

Acnologia and the 5 god dragons are on the same level, which is why Igneel should win this fight. Igneel could knock out Acnologia and bite off one of his arms. Mercphobia was weakened to around half his power, which would make him only half as strong as Acnologia. If Ignia was on Acnologia's level, he would lose an arm fighting Igneel. On the other hand, Ignia doesn't even have to personally fight Mercphobia to flex over him.
 
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The DG are equal to Acno or even stronger as Ignia statet. In otherway Igneel know he would lose against Acno...
Also Ignia said he couldn´t defeat Merco easily with his 100% and we see how weakened Merco already stomp Natsu(stronger then Zeref),Lucy,Gray,Wendy and Erza. So yes I think Mercophobia would beat Igneel high diff duo his elementary favour and insane power.
 

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The DG are equal to Acno or even stronger as Ignia statet. In otherway Igneel know he would lose against Acno...
Also Ignia said he couldn´t defeat Merco easily with his 100% and we see how weakened Merco already stomp Natsu(stronger then Zeref),Lucy,Gray,Wendy and Erza. So yes I think Mercophobia would beat Igneel high diff duo his elementary favour and insane power.
And it was also confirm that gildartz is strongest the guild meaning stronger than natsu. It was never stated that DG are stronger it was stated they are on the same level as acno (which I don’t beleive) show me where igneel said he couldn’t beat acno. half power igneel ripped acno arm off half power merc lose to ignia powered natsu so ok tell me how is merc stronger?
 
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And it was also confirm that gildartz is strongest the guild meaning stronger than natsu. It was never stated that DG are stronger it was stated they are on the same level as acno (which I don’t beleive) show me where igneel said he couldn’t beat acno. half power igneel ripped acno arm off half power merc lose to ignia powered natsu so ok tell me how is merc stronger?

Pre Spriggan arc yes Gildarts was the strongest but this change now after Natsu take down much stronger enemies.
As I said Ignia was sure to take down Acno well against Merco he said he couldn´t take him down. Which means in powerlvl gap they seems sligthy above Acno. Not to forget that the RoT Anco was pushed away by Erza, well Merco easily take everything at him. Losing against a powered Natsu isn´t a shame, Acno get one shotet because Natsu was powered by the 7DS, in his flame form where he eat Ignia Fire he probably is even far above the version with one shot Acno.

Mercophobia wasn´t at full strenght, yet he trashed a Irene lvl character(Erza), Acno human form lvl character(Natsu), Lucy(Spriggan lvl), Wendy(Half spriggan lvl) and Gray(Almost Zeref lvl) pretty much easily. Igneel and the other travel of the time because they know their wouldn´t able to beat Acno... Cmon it is clear that Igneel and the others are scared by Acno. Otherwise who held them up to attack Acno with all the Dragons with Lead by Igneel??
 

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Pre Spriggan arc yes Gildarts was the strongest but this change now after Natsu take down much stronger enemies.
As I said Ignia was sure to take down Acno well against Merco he said he couldn´t take him down. Which means in powerlvl gap they seems sligthy above Acno. Not to forget that the RoT Anco was pushed away by Erza, well Merco easily take everything at him. Losing against a powered Natsu isn´t a shame, Acno get one shotet because Natsu was powered by the 7DS, in his flame form where he eat Ignia Fire he probably is even far above the version with one shot Acno.

Mercophobia wasn´t at full strenght, yet he trashed a Irene lvl character(Erza), Acno human form lvl character(Natsu), Lucy(Spriggan lvl), Wendy(Half spriggan lvl) and Gray(Almost Zeref lvl) pretty much easily. Igneel and the other travel of the time because they know their wouldn´t able to beat Acno... Cmon it is clear that Igneel and the others are scared by Acno. Otherwise who held them up to attack Acno with all the Dragons with Lead by Igneel??
Ignia never said that he couldn't take down Mercphobia. In fact, he mocked Natsu for losing to Mercphobia. Ignia was confident he could take on anybody. Ignia didn't just beat Mercphobia. He flexed over Mercphobia hard by making Natsu strong enough to beat Mercphobia. Mercphobia tried to put out the flames from Ignia's attack by dropping the ocean on it, and that didn't work. The flames left over had enough power to make Natsu strong enough to beat Mercphobia. Everything Natsu did was but a fraction of one of Ignia's attacks, and Ignia was holding back on that attack. Ignia left the city standing when he has been known to destroy countries.

Natsu isn't on Acnologia's human form. Natsu also never fought Acnologia's dragon form. He only fought Acnologia's spirit in his human form. Natsu would have been screwed if he had to fight Acnologia's dragon form. Also Natsu had 2 power-ups in that fight. One was Wendy enchanting the magic power of the other dragon slayers into Natsu. The other was the power of feelings he got from hearing Lucy's voice in his mind.

Igneel wasn't scared of Acnologia. The parent dragons time traveled because their powers were weakened. The needed to go to an era with abundant ethernano to recover their powers. Once they recovered enough power, they were fairly confident (admittedly overconfident) that Igneel could take out Acnologia in a 1v1. That's why the other parent dragons didn't help Igneel.
 
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Pre Spriggan arc yes Gildarts was the strongest but this change now after Natsu take down much stronger enemies.
As I said Ignia was sure to take down Acno well against Merco he said he couldn´t take him down. Which means in powerlvl gap they seems sligthy above Acno. Not to forget that the RoT Anco was pushed away by Erza, well Merco easily take everything at him. Losing against a powered Natsu isn´t a shame, Acno get one shotet because Natsu was powered by the 7DS, in his flame form where he eat Ignia Fire he probably is even far above the version with one shot Acno.

Mercophobia wasn´t at full strenght, yet he trashed a Irene lvl character(Erza), Acno human form lvl character(Natsu), Lucy(Spriggan lvl), Wendy(Half spriggan lvl) and Gray(Almost Zeref lvl) pretty much easily. Igneel and the other travel of the time because they know their wouldn´t able to beat Acno... Cmon it is clear that Igneel and the others are scared by Acno. Otherwise who held them up to attack Acno with all the Dragons with Lead by Igneel??
Loool I’ma let @Axiomus deal with this Ill debunk this later
 

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The point is that Acnologia would feel the effects of loss of magic, just like anyone would, even Lucy felt a loss of magic, also Natsu, and Makarov, whether all at once or not. The Parent Dragons are different from Acnologia as his form is based on magic itself. I do not care about the wounds inflicted, if they are not as severe as any other greater injuries he has received and still stand that is evident that it was not Igneel that knocked him out but an external factor. Shifting people around is still the same thing as affecting them, that is why it is called area of effect. No, It is stated that People do shift around, that is how Zeref got to Fairy Tail and how everyone went to different places. There is no reason to suggest that even at 100% Igneel would win instantly, We was still not in any condition to win back then either. I say he would still struggle even then and it could go either way by not a instant win. There was nothing that proves Igneel knocked him out by himself or at all as it was off screen. If Acnologia can still fight even after getting his arm ripped off without going into shock then that is less than likely.
 

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The point is that Acnologia would feel the effects of loss of magic, just like anyone would, even Lucy felt a loss of magic, also Natsu, and Makarov, whether all at once or not. The Parent Dragons are different from Acnologia as his form is based on magic itself. I do not care about the wounds inflicted, if they are not as severe as any other greater injuries he has received and still stand that is evident that it was not Igneel that knocked him out but an external factor. Shifting people around is still the same thing as affecting them, that is why it is called area of effect. No, It is stated that People do shift around, that is how Zeref got to Fairy Tail and how everyone went to different places. There is no reason to suggest that even at 100% Igneel would win instantly, We was still not in any condition to win back then either. I say he would still struggle even then and it could go either way by not a instant win. There was nothing that proves Igneel knocked him out by himself or at all as it was off screen. If Acnologia can still fight even after getting his arm ripped off without going into shock then that is less than likely.
Igneel would have felt the exact same loss as magic as Acnologia did. It was pretty obvious that Igneel was the one who knocked Acnologia down because we can see wounds on Acnologia. and face doesn't knock people down. Not a single person was coughing up blood, getting cuts opened up from their body, or dropping unconscious as a result from face.

I'm not saying that Igneel can win instantly, whatever that means. I'm saying Igneel could fight Acnologia for 20 minutes, at the end of which Igneel knocked down Acnologia. Then, when Acnologia caught a second wind and Igneel's power was fading, Igneel could still manage enough strength to bite off one of Acnologia's arm. Mercphobia only would have been half of Acnologia's strength, and would be much easier for Igneel to deal with. Acnologia obviously didn't want to continue fighting for much longer after he lost an arm. His original intention was to blow up everyone at Tartarus, but he left without doing anything to them after his fight with Igneel.
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At the end of the day, Igneel did better against Acnologia than Mercphobia did against Natsu. Unless you want to say Natsu was stronger than Acnologia, the winner should be pretty clear.
 

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how would it be the exact same when he and Acno are different? It could be similar as that would explain why he couldn't finish off Acnologia, since he was too weak to do it. If it was obvious, show me an image that we see Igneel physically hitting Acno that knocks him out? I never said that he coughed out blood as a result of Face, any wounds received are from any prior engagements or battles or incidents the resulted in those injuries. Face just strips away magic which it clearly did for Acno seeing that he is a being transformed entirely by magic. But where? Which panel explicitly shows Acnologia being knocked out by Igneel that is not any vague imagery that only shows Acnologia dropping without coming to any quick conclusions? Acnologia only caught his second wind when Face was destroyed coincidentally as his magic power stopped from being dispersed and regained his strength. Acnologia can clearly fight even after the loss of his arm and even fly long distances afterward, he clearly did not lose conscienceness from grievous wounds compared to minor cuts. Natsu with Seven Flames is much more powerful than Acnologia who ate an entire dimension or nothingness magic. And it was Natsu who was powered by another DG to defeat Merc who was at 50%, and this is clearly another DG who was not limited to a certain percentage.
 

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Natsu with Seven Flames is much more powerful than Acnologia who ate an entire dimension or nothingness magic. And it was Natsu who was powered by another DG to defeat Merc who was at 50%, and this is clearly another DG who was not limited to a certain percentage.
Natsu and Dragon slayers were fighting Acno soul only

-In fact even the power of 7ds was not enough


After acno's body was sealed, they beat him.


Natsu was much weaker even with the power of the 6ds
Natsu did nothing
It is as though he has struck only a mountain because he does not move

All thanks to the outside world who sealed the dragon form

And another thing acno was divided into body and spirit
Logically his power also divided between soul and body

It means that Natsu did not fight the full power of acno's spirit
 
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given, but even so, Natsu possessed enough power and transformed into a dragonoid form that allowed for his attack to actually defeat him, and Acno was weakened enough that he succumbed to motion sickness. evne with that, his attack if not as a dragonoid would not have worked on him.
 

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how would it be the exact same when he and Acno are different? It could be similar as that would explain why he couldn't finish off Acnologia, since he was too weak to do it. If it was obvious, show me an image that we see Igneel physically hitting Acno that knocks him out? I never said that he coughed out blood as a result of Face, any wounds received are from any prior engagements or battles or incidents the resulted in those injuries. Face just strips away magic which it clearly did for Acno seeing that he is a being transformed entirely by magic. But where? Which panel explicitly shows Acnologia being knocked out by Igneel that is not any vague imagery that only shows Acnologia dropping without coming to any quick conclusions? Acnologia only caught his second wind when Face was destroyed coincidentally as his magic power stopped from being dispersed and regained his strength. Acnologia can clearly fight even after the loss of his arm and even fly long distances afterward, he clearly did not lose conscienceness from grievous wounds compared to minor cuts. Natsu with Seven Flames is much more powerful than Acnologia who ate an entire dimension or nothingness magic. And it was Natsu who was powered by another DG to defeat Merc who was at 50%, and this is clearly another DG who was not limited to a certain percentage.
It's the exact same drain because Igneel uses magic too, and nowhere does it ever say that dragons would be more resistant to face's magic drain than a human. In fact, if anyone had any special resistance against face, it would be Acnologia. He's the only one here with a blanket resistance against all forms of magic. The other dragons would only be resistant to magic of their own elements. Functionally, Acnologia in his dragon form is physically indistinguishable from a dragon. So it's the exact same drain, or possibly even less for Acnologia because he is resistant to all forms of magic.

If you're saying Acnologia can only transform into a dragon via magic, then it should be fairly obvious that face did not drain Acnologia of all his magic because Acnologia clearly still had his dragon form active. If he was drained of all his magic, he would have reverted to a human form. Even dragons that were originally dragons revert to a human form when they are drained of all their magic, like Mercphobia.

The fight was offscreen, so obviously there isn't an image of Igneel actually hitting Acnologia. You see the wounds from the hit though. You see the cut on his chest and the blood that he's coughing up. If Acnologia is coughing up blood that implies that he got internal injuries. That's not really a minor wound. Even in real life, you can get knocked out by a kick to the body or head, but stay perfectly conscious when you break a leg. Or indeed, when you lose a limb.

Natsu was not more powerful than Acnologia. The only reason Acnologia lost was because Fairy Sphere disabled him. Literally everyone on the continent was working against him. And again, Acnologia's spirit in human form would be much less powerful than Acnologia's physical body in dragon form. Mercphobia and Irene are the same. They are both stronger in their dragon forms. Igneel fought Acnologia in his dragon form.
 
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Igneel is certainly powerfull
I think he is at the level of the five dragons and acno in his prime
 

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Igneel is certainly powerfull
I think he is at the level of the five dragons and acno in his prime
I think that anco and igneel are in their own tier until the 5 dragons show me enough feats I wouldn’t take that statement seriously I mean any1 that canour serious damage to acno is consider a threat
 

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No, they are different, because Acnologia is not a real dragon when the Dragons are real dragons, I am not saying Dragons have more resistance at all, just that they can fly which doesn't really require magic for them to use. Acnologia is immune to harmful magic that would hurt him, that is the whole point, he is still effected by magical effects but not to a considerable amount, yet he is a being of magic which would still effect him anyway. physically he may transform into a dragon but his existence is not a real dragon, just an artificial one which is different from other dragons, hence why they can be hurt by Dragon Slayer Magic and Acnologia cannot. I keep telling you that Face's power is a process which Acnologia still has some magic which is evident of his Dragon Form still active but is still effected from being drained of magic. Acnologia having wounds does not prove anything, just like Igneel having wounds as well, also, people can still bleed for a while when not attended to. DO you have visual proof that Igneel was shown to have caused said wound on his chest that made him go on conscious on the ground, and not it has to be an actual image of the actual attack that makes him fall, not the fall alone. Even Erza can survive interal attacks and same with Cobra and remain conscious even from other dragons, those are not minor attacks as well and they are still conscious. but in real life you do not have wings, a dragon physiology, stronger than the real world strongest human and survive flame attacks that can melt you to your bones. Natsu is definitely more powerful than standard Acnologia with different power ups via his Seven Flames mode and his power up from the Fire Dragon God. Acnologia lost because both he was immobilized and Natsu transformed into a dragonoid to allow his attack to bypass his defenses which is the only way to harm him. Actually, nothing suggests that his spirit would not be any more weak than his actual body since his spirit is immune to magic attacks as well in his physical form, so his spirit would operate the same way as his physical body would, his spirit form only existed to maintain balance with the Space between Time. Acnologia is not the same as Irene or Merc, As it is proven by his vary existence, Irene was still subjected to DS Magic, like with Merc but Acnologia is not, only by the harm of actual Dragons.
 

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No, they are different, because Acnologia is not a real dragon when the Dragons are real dragons, I am not saying Dragons have more resistance at all, just that they can fly which doesn't really require magic for them to use. Acnologia is immune to harmful magic that would hurt him, that is the whole point, he is still effected by magical effects but not to a considerable amount, yet he is a being of magic which would still effect him anyway. physically he may transform into a dragon but his existence is not a real dragon, just an artificial one which is different from other dragons, hence why they can be hurt by Dragon Slayer Magic and Acnologia cannot. I keep telling you that Face's power is a process which Acnologia still has some magic which is evident of his Dragon Form still active but is still effected from being drained of magic. Acnologia having wounds does not prove anything, just like Igneel having wounds as well, also, people can still bleed for a while when not attended to. DO you have visual proof that Igneel was shown to have caused said wound on his chest that made him go on conscious on the ground, and not it has to be an actual image of the actual attack that makes him fall, not the fall alone. Even Erza can survive interal attacks and same with Cobra and remain conscious even from other dragons, those are not minor attacks as well and they are still conscious. but in real life you do not have wings, a dragon physiology, stronger than the real world strongest human and survive flame attacks that can melt you to your bones. Natsu is definitely more powerful than standard Acnologia with different power ups via his Seven Flames mode and his power up from the Fire Dragon God. Acnologia lost because both he was immobilized and Natsu transformed into a dragonoid to allow his attack to bypass his defenses which is the only way to harm him. Actually, nothing suggests that his spirit would not be any more weak than his actual body since his spirit is immune to magic attacks as well in his physical form, so his spirit would operate the same way as his physical body would, his spirit form only existed to maintain balance with the Space between Time. Acnologia is not the same as Irene or Merc, As it is proven by his vary existence, Irene was still subjected to DS Magic, like with Merc but Acnologia is not, only by the harm of actual Dragons.
How are they different? You keep saying that Acnologia is not a real dragon as if there is a functional difference, but you haven't explained what that difference is. For all intents and purposes, Acnologia's physical body is indistinguishable from a dragon's when he is in dragon form. Face did not dispel his dragon form, so Acnologia still had wings. Acnologia doesn't need to constantly spew magic to fly. He can just beat his wings. So there's no reason for Acnologia to drop out of the sky from the effects of face. The other dragons were also being drained by face. Yet they were still using magic even after face was already active. Igneel was still covering himself in flames. Weisslogia was covering himself in light. Skiadrum spammed half a dozen roars. This is all magic. These dragons simply have so much magic that face couldn't wipe enough of it fast enough. Acnologia had more magic power than anyone and is more resistant to magic than anyone.

We don't see Igneel actually hitting Acnologia because it was offscreen. What we do see is the aftermath of his attacks, which was the wounds on Acnologia's body were. Like I said, face would not have caused those injuries on Acnologia. Face didn't make anyone else cough up blood or open up cuts on their bodies. When Acnologia fell the wounds on his body were fresh and spraying blood, meaning he had just recently been hit. Igneel was covered in wounds as well, but none of his wounds were spraying blood. Pain is not correlated to being knocked out. Even in real life you see UFC fighters get knocked out by punches and kicks, whereas there are cases of soldiers can remaining conscious even after having a leg blown off by a landmine. In any case, nobody was knocked out by face....and even the magical airship Christina that runs on magic power did not completely lose power and drop out of the sky immediately.

The reason why Acnologia cannot be hurt by our current dragon slayers isn't because he isn't a real dragon. You don't have to be a dragon to be hurt by dragon slayer magic. The reason why Acnologia cannot be hurt by most dragon slayers is because he is immensely durable and has resistance against all type of magic on top of that. Mercphobia couldn't be hurt by Natsu or the entire team with dragon slaying seals. It was only when Natsu powered-up with Ignia's flames that he became strong enough to hurt Mercphobia. In order to hurt Acnologia in his dragon form, you need to have dragon slaying magic and be powerful enough to overcome his durability and resistance. A dragon's body is tougher than a human's body in general. Human Acnologia still has his resistance against magic as a product of being a slayer, but he doesn't have doesn't have the sheer durability of his dragon body.

Ignia is around Acnologia's level by statements. Mercphobia at full power is also around Acnologia's level by statements. Mercphobia was at half power during his fight with Natsu. Igneel fought Acnologia himself for 20 minutes, and managed to knock Acnologia down and bite off an arm. Igneel is close to Acnologia's level by feats. Half powered Mercphobia fought Natsu with a tiny bit of Ignia's power, and got beat in 4 hits. Unless you want to say that Natsu is stronger than Acnologia in his dragon form, I really don't see how half-powered Mercphobia scales to higher than Igneel.
 
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