Fantasy Mercophobia vs Igneel

[WoWfan]

There is massive differences, one is born a dragon naturally, while the other was turned into a dragon via magic, one is resistant most harmful magics while the other is immune to harmful magics. Unlike any dragons who have that indistinguishable traits (even while there are some who are physically different from one another), Acnologia shares none as he is more than that when he changed. Acnologia as a dragon IS magic as his transformation is based on magic while Dragons do not need to transform into dragons since they are already dragons and they are naturally born with wings while Acno needs to transform to have them. He dropped out of the sky because of Face as like with Lucy and others they can feel fatigue from magic loss. Face still drains magic but not instantly but overtime, that is the whole point. And after many times I have stated, Face only drains magic, not cause injuries, he had those injuries before face, not after so no, Igneel did not even knock him out, it is Face that brought him down. Where was it stated that he attacked Acnologia when he fell, you are basing things off of assumptions that have no evidence to back them up, and no, those injuries do not prove anything as we did not see them inflicted at the exact moment when he fell, he very much likely had those before Face was activated. Yes you have to have Dragon Slayer Magic to hurt Dragons, that is the whole point of their existence and training from actual dragons in the first place, Acnologia is beyond that limitation and can only be hurt by Dragons or transformed Dragonoid beings, Dragon Slayer Magic has been proven before to not even harm him, even in his Spirit/Human Form. Even Wendy who was weaker than a fresh Mirajane and tired after constant battle, Mira could not even hurt a Dragon while a weakened Wendy did. the only difference is the level of Strength between Dragons individually (excluding Acnologia as he is outside of that cycle).

Do UFC Fighters have fire breaths or wings, can they absorb bullets like a sponge and have regenerative powers? Tell me if they have those before you even continue.

 

[Axiomus]

There is massive differences, one is born a dragon naturally, while the other was turned into a dragon via magic, one is resistant most harmful magics while the other is immune to harmful magics. Unlike any dragons who have that indistinguishable traits (even while there are some who are physically different from one another), Acnologia shares none as he is more than that when he changed. Acnologia as a dragon IS magic as his transformation is based on magic while Dragons do not need to transform into dragons since they are already dragons and they are naturally born with wings while Acno needs to transform to have them. He dropped out of the sky because of Face as like with Lucy and others they can feel fatigue from magic loss. Face still drains magic but not instantly but overtime, that is the whole point. And after many times I have stated, Face only drains magic, not cause injuries, he had those injuries before face, not after so no, Igneel did not even knock him out, it is Face that brought him down. Where was it stated that he attacked Acnologia when he fell, you are basing things off of assumptions that have no evidence to back them up, and no, those injuries do not prove anything as we did not see them inflicted at the exact moment when he fell, he very much likely had those before Face was activated. Yes you have to have Dragon Slayer Magic to hurt Dragons, that is the whole point of their existence and training from actual dragons in the first place, Acnologia is beyond that limitation and can only be hurt by Dragons or transformed Dragonoid beings, Dragon Slayer Magic has been proven before to not even harm him, even in his Spirit/Human Form. Even Wendy who was weaker than a fresh Mirajane and tired after constant battle, Mira could not even hurt a Dragon while a weakened Wendy did. the only difference is the level of Strength between Dragons individually (excluding Acnologia as he is outside of that cycle).

Do UFC Fighters have fire breaths or wings, can they absorb bullets like a sponge and have regenerative powers? Tell me if they have those before you even continue.

You need to reword the first few statements. I don't understand what you're trying to say.

To clarify a few things. Igneel and the other dragons are not resistant to magic like Acnologia is. Normal dragons are only resistant to magic of their own element. Igneel is only resistant to fire magic. Natsu as a dragon slayer enchants properties of Igneel's body into his own, and that makes him also resistant to fire. Acnologia has the same resistance that Natsu has to fire, only his slayer magic extends to every type of magic. This resistance applies even when Acnologia is human because it is a product of Acnologia's dragon slaying magic. This is different from the sheer durability that having dragon scales provides. Dragon Scales are extremely hard, and can only be penetrated by the power of another dragon. All dragons have dragon scales, but not all dragons have Acnologia's resistance to all forms of magic. If Igneel roared at Grandine, Grandine would have no special resistance to his roar. Acnologia would.

If Acnologia's dragon form is magic, then the proof that face did not effect Acnologia immensely is right there. Acnologia's dragon form was not dispelled. He still very much had enough power to sustain his dragon form, even after face activated. There was nothing stopping Acnologia from beating his wings and keep flying. Except, of course, his injuries.

Lucy was already beaten badly by Jackal and Torafuzar. The boost from Aquarius' magic power gave her a second wind, and that was depleted soon after. Then whatever amount of power she recovered after that gave her enough strength to stand. That power was wiped by face, so yes....Lucy fell to her knees when face activated. She didn't pass out or cough up blood, and there weren't wounds opening on her body. Like I said, the dragons would have all felt the same fatigue that the humans felt. They use magic too and have no special resistance to face. Igneel would have felt whatever drain was happening on Acnologia, and they would have been equally weakened.

 

[WoWfan]

And that is my point, yet not the way you are saying it, Acnologia is immune to harmful magics while he has a high tolerance to other types of magic. No, Dragons are resistant to harmful magic in general, though there are some magics that can effect them like certain min control techniques. NO, Dragons can also be hindered by other Dragon Slayers which is what DSM is for, which Acnologia is immune to that magic as well. You did not read what I said that Face is overtime magic which doesn't absorb all magic right away, even Christina has magic left in it's system, just like how Acnologia still has magic in it's system yet still felt the fatigue like many life forms with magic are tethered to, that would explain why he fell from the sky,

No, by your logic, She wouldn't fall due to loss of magic as well (If not, the same would apply to everyone who was in the same position as she was, fight, after fight after fight), yet she was vulnerable to Face anyway and felt the fatigue anyway, yet even after her power boost she was still conscious and walking as well, it is when Face activated that she was effected, just like from Acnologia as well. Accept for that the Dragons has massive reserves of power and that their flight was not tethered to magic as well. And that would explain why Igneel was unable to kill Acnologia after Face was activated as they were both effected, and tired, and only started fighting against when Face was destroyed coincidentally.

You still have not answered my question as to how real life human have no fire breath techniques, or wings, etc..

 

[Axiomus]

And that is my point, yet not the way you are saying it, Acnologia is immune to harmful magics while he has a high tolerance to other types of magic. No, Dragons are resistant to harmful magic in general, though there are some magics that can effect them like certain min control techniques. NO, Dragons can also be hindered by other Dragon Slayers which is what DSM is for, which Acnologia is immune to that magic as well. You did not read what I said that Face is overtime magic which doesn't absorb all magic right away, even Christina has magic left in it's system, just like how Acnologia still has magic in it's system yet still felt the fatigue like many life forms with magic are tethered to, that would explain why he fell from the sky,

No, by your logic, She wouldn't fall due to loss of magic as well (If not, the same would apply to everyone who was in the same position as she was, fight, after fight after fight), yet she was vulnerable to Face anyway and felt the fatigue anyway, yet even after her power boost she was still conscious and walking as well, it is when Face activated that she was effected, just like from Acnologia as well. Accept for that the Dragons has massive reserves of power and that their flight was not tethered to magic as well. And that would explain why Igneel was unable to kill Acnologia after Face was activated as they were both effected, and tired, and only started fighting against when Face was destroyed coincidentally.

You still have not answered my question as to how real life human have no fire breath techniques, or wings, etc..

The way I am saying it is correct. Dragons have two layers of protection. One is their dragon scales, which you can only damaged with the power of another dragon. This includes dragon slaying magic, because dragon slayers are just humans enchanted with the power of a dragon. The second layer of protection is their resistance against their own natural element. For a dragon like Igneel, that would be resistance to fire magic. Acnologia isn't limited to a single element. His resistance extends to all types of magic. There is no defensive property that a natural dragon has that Acnologia does not have. The only possible difference between Acnologia and a real dragon is motion sickness, and that is certainly not the reason Acnologia fell.

By my logic, it is perfectly reasonable why Lucy fell to her knees. Lucy was already exhausted and injured. The little magic power she had in her reserves gave her the little strength it took to stay afoot. Acnologia would have had several times the amount of magic power than Lucy had. Face could drain several times the equivalent of Lucy's power from Acnologia, and Acnologia would still barely notice any changes. There is probably more magic power in a single roar from Acnologia than everyone in the Fairy Tail guild combined.

Also, Lucy didn't collapse into unconsciousness. She didn't start coughing up blood. Cuts didn't open up on her chest. Lucy just collapsed to her knees. Acnologia still had enough magic to maintain his dragon form, which means he still had more power than it takes for Natsu to maintain his dragon force. How could someone as powerful as Acnologia get drained to a worse condition than Lucy, and then immediately recover to a point where he's going at it with Igneel? Magic power doesn't recover that fast. Whenever people use up all of their magic power, it takes a long time for them to recover. They have to absorb the ethernano from the air, and this doesn't happen in an instant. Remember when Natsu got his magic sucked out by the Eclipse Gate? That took a full night's rest to recover. If Acnologia had enough magic to maintain his dragon form and move his wings, there's no reason why face would have been the reason he fell.

It should be fairly obvious that real life humans don't have wings and aren't dragons. This isn't relevant. I was just pointing out how it is perfectly possible to get knocked out by a blow that doesn't inflict serious injury, and remain conscious when you lose a major limb.

 

[WoWfan]

The reason Acno fell is because of face with his magic being drain, and so by your logic everyone should have fell as well since they are in such similar position too. How do you know Acnologia didn’t feel a thing and because of his existence being entirely magical that he was effected most of all? The difference is that Lucy did not fall thousands of feet from the air to the ground like a meteor. Stop bringing up coughing up blood, that is not relevant as that is not what Face does, it drains the magic which it was doing to Acnologia, any wounds he had were before face which he was perfectly fine regardless a was still able to fight even after having his arm ripped off which is still disproving your point, Acno’s very existence is magic which makes his condition different from lucy’s, and Face was destroyed he could fight again since his magic was not effected anymore. Not unless you are Acnologia who’s the Magic Dragon. He fell because his magic was being drain, and you fail to listen that face is not instant, it is overtime, just like everyone’s magic was slowly being sucked away.

 

[Axiomus]

The reason Acno fell is because of face with his magic being drain, and so by your logic everyone should have fell as well since they are in such similar position too. How do you know Acnologia didn’t feel a thing and because of his existence being entirely magical that he was effected most of all? The difference is that Lucy did not fall thousands of feet from the air to the ground like a meteor. Stop bringing up coughing up blood, that is not relevant as that is not what Face does, it drains the magic which it was doing to Acnologia, any wounds he had were before face which he was perfectly fine regardless a was still able to fight even after having his arm ripped off which is still disproving your point, Acno’s very existence is magic which makes his condition different from lucy’s, and Face was destroyed he could fight again since his magic was not effected anymore. Not unless you are Acnologia who’s the Magic Dragon. He fell because his magic was being drain, and you fail to listen that face is not instant, it is overtime, just like everyone’s magic was slowly being sucked away.

Ummm.....That is quite literally the opposite of what I am saying. I'm saying Acnologai was knocked out by Igneel, and the fact that face didn't render anyone else unconscious is proof that face didn't make Acnologia fall either. I am not saying that Acnologia fell unconscious because of face, and that there is a plot hole as to why the other people on the continent were mostly okay. Face does not knock people unconscious.

Acnologia wouldn't feel a thing if face drained the equivalent of all of Lucy's magic power from him because Acnologia is vastly stronger than Lucy. He has several times the amount of magic that Lucy has. He uses up more power than Lucy has every time he roars. Face drained Lucy and Acnologia for the same amount of power and Lucy was affected way more than Acnologia because she doesn't have as much magic as him. If you locked an adult bodybuilder and an infant in a hot car, who do you think would get dehydrated first? Same concept, but replace water with magic power.

I understand what face does. It drains magic. What I am saying is that the dragons have so much magic that face's drain was negligible to them. Even with face draining their magic, the parent dragons were able to fly around and use magical attacks to break the pillars of face. Acnologia is even more powerful than any of the parent dragons, and would have been able to do the same. The reason he fell was due to the injuries he sustained when fighting Igneel.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

The reason Acno fell is because of face with his magic being drain

So me panel where it was stated Acnologia knocked out because of the face. If you can't then you are making up nonsense. Now you claim reason acno lost conscious because of face but he even fodder characters were conscious and fine even after loss of magic. Acno should be least affected by face compared other dragon. He is the guy resistant most form magic not igneel.

 

[WoWfan]

You have yet to prove that Igneel visually struck him down that caused him to go unconscious though. The fact that when he was feeling fatigue in a weakened state and fell from hundreds of feet up would more than likely knock him out. Acnologia would feel the effects as he was basically has lots of magic, as the saying goes, the more the marier. I doubt that equivalence is how it works, it is just drains magic in general. That is not really how that works as Fade operates on the same principle of an EMP which shorts out any electronics no matter what. And what I am saying is that Acnologia is different from other dragons which is why he would still be effected regardless. And flying does not require magic for dragons. I fail to see how that is relèvent. No, his injuries are too minor and insignificant compared to his later injuries which he was still alive and kicking. It is clearly the work of face, seeing as other Magic’s were able to effect him in a non harmful manner before

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

You have yet to prove that Igneel visually struck him down that caused him to go unconscious though

You are yet to prove face affected Acno. He was in his dragon form.

 

[WoWfan]

You are yet to prove face affected Acno. He was in his dragon form.

His dragon form is still vulnerable to magical effects, including U1 and even Fairy Sphere, Face is no different

 

[Axiomus]

You can see the aftermath of Igneel's attack, even if you don't see the attack itself. The fresh cuts on his body spraying blood and the blood he's coughing up. All signs indicate that Acnologia was knocked down from an injury. Acnologia wouldn't have been drained more than any of the other dragons, so face is almost certainly not the cause of Acnologia falling down. In order to maintain flight, Acnologia just needs enough magic to maintain his dragon form. Face did not drain enough of his power to dispel his dragon form. Between the injuries that you can see from Acnologia as he fell that could not have possibly been caused by face, and the fact that there is no good reason to believe that face would affect Acnologia more than the other dragons, there really shouldn't be this much debate.

Face's drain is gradual. It doesn't work like an EMP pulse, because if it did then all magic would be wiped out instantly. The Christina airship would drop instantly and all the parent dragons would lose their magic too. If Acnologia has more magic power than anyone else, then it should take longer for him to be fully drained. It makes no sense for Acnologia to feel the most drained out of everyone on the continent if face is draining the whole continent at an equal and constant rate, and "the more the merrier" isn't a real reason.

 

[WoWfan]

What attack though you have not shown that it was Igneel that brought him down, those wounds would be from before face was activated. And he would just drop from the loss of magic power, and the fall from such heights and the feeling of fatigue would knock him out. And considering his form is magical, it would stand to reason that he would be effected far more than dragons how have no magical forms present. For the last time, Face does not cause injuries, those injuries were prior to Face’s Activision, just like the wounds Igneel received were prior to Face’s activation, unless you want to say that Igneel received those wounds the same moment Acnologia received his when falling. It does work like a EMP which even the volume dictates this, because in FT verse, magic is treated as an everyday part of life, just like how electricity is. And that is my point, thank you for admitting that Face is gradual, that is why Acnologia fell as he was experiencing the loss of magic, not while he is in his magical dragon form which is clearly magic at work. And nothing says that face is equally draining across the continent as well.

 

[Axiomus]

What attack though you have not shown that it was Igneel that brought him down, those wounds would be from before face was activated. And he would just drop from the loss of magic power, and the fall from such heights and the feeling of fatigue would knock him out. And considering his form is magical, it would stand to reason that he would be effected far more than dragons how have no magical forms present. For the last time, Face does not cause injuries, those injuries were prior to Face’s Activision, just like the wounds Igneel received were prior to Face’s activation, unless you want to say that Igneel received those wounds the same moment Acnologia received his when falling. It does work like a EMP which even the volume dictates this, because in FT verse, magic is treated as an everyday part of life, just like how electricity is. And that is my point, thank you for admitting that Face is gradual, that is why Acnologia fell as he was experiencing the loss of magic, not while he is in his magical dragon form which is clearly magic at work. And nothing says that face is equally draining across the continent as well.

Those wounds were fresh. Look at the image and compare Acnologia's wounds to Igneel's. There is blood spewing out of his cuts and he is coughing up a significant amount of blood. The fact that Acnologia is coughing up blood as he is falling tells us that he was hit pretty recently. Unless you're saying that Igneel hit Acnologia so hard that he was continuously coughing up blood long before face activated....which is even more of a reason for the wound to be the reason Acnologia fell.

Spoiler: Acnologia with blood spraying from his cuts and coughing up blood

Spoiler: Igneel with cuts on his torso and neck, not spewing blood

Face does not work like an EMP because face is gradual. An EMP only needs to happens once to disable all electronic devices in its range. You can't agree with me and say that face is gradual, and then turn around and say it works like an EMP. An EMP doesn't drain all the electricity from a battery like face does with magic reserves of a human. That's not how an EMP works. You can use an EMP to disable a flashlight, take the batteries out and put it into a new flashlight, and the batteries will power the new flashlight just fine. So that's a pretty big difference between how an EMP works and how face is portrayed to work as well. To my memory, nowhere does it say in the manga that face is an EMP or operates like an EMP. It's not a single pulse that disable all magic all at once. It's a gradual drain that slowly depletes magic on the continent.

The most intuitive interpretation is that face is draining magic from the entire continent equally. You can possibly make the argument that the closer you are to a face pillar, the greater the drain. However, even then, Igneel and Acnologia were fighting high above the clouds. Igneel purposely lured him there so their fight wouldn't affect the humans below. They would have been farther from the faces than practically every other living being on the continent, except maybe birds with the capacity to go above the clouds. Not to mention, Christina was right beside one of the face pillars, and it didn't drop right out of the sky like Acnologia. There is absolutely no reason for face to drain more magic from Acnologia than from anyone else.

Acnologia has more magic power than any of the dragons. Even if you say that his dragon form is a result of Acnologia actively using magic, face could not drain enough of Acnologia's magic to dispel his dragon form. Acnologia was still perfectly capable of flight so long as he can maintain his dragon form and flap his wings. The dragons may not have been actively using their magic to maintain their dragon forms, but they were gradually fading away anyways. The only reason they could stay alive was because of the magic they collected during their time inside the dragon slayers. Magic that face would be taking from them.

 

[WoWfan]

Fresh wounds can last longer than an instant as blood continues to seep out of them if unattended, that is hardly any proof that Igneel was shown to knock him down that moment. Acnologia just fell when weakened by the effects of Face and then very much likely fell unconscious from crashing from such heights, it is not the first time characters fell unconscious in a weakened state from simple impacts. Unless you can prove that it was Igneel that caused his fall from such heights without going by "fresh wounds", you are just basically assuming that he was attacked based on subjective views. and you are wrong, we see Igneel spilling blood from his mouth. It does work like a EMP which even the volume dictates this, because in FT verse, magic is treated as an everyday part of life, just like how electricity is, regardless of their processes of effects they are based on the same method, to dirsupt various means of power. Where is the proof that it drains magic equally as there are cases where people have already got drained of magic right away while there are those with magic still and people feeling weakened form the loss of magic. Acnologia's dragon form is magical which makes him vulnerable to the effects of magic. no he would not be able to fly if his magical dragon form is being effected, which is proven that he can be effected by magic. Dragons do not need to use magic for their dragon forms as they are already dragons to begin with. the difference is that they did not need to fight while flying to destroy the faces.

 

[Axiomus]

Fresh wounds can last longer than an instant as blood continues to seep out of them if unattended, that is hardly any proof that Igneel was shown to knock him down that moment. Acnologia just fell when weakened by the effects of Face and then very much likely fell unconscious from crashing from such heights, it is not the first time characters fell unconscious in a weakened state from simple impacts. Unless you can prove that it was Igneel that caused his fall from such heights without going by "fresh wounds", you are just basically assuming that he was attacked based on subjective views. and you are wrong, we see Igneel spilling blood from his mouth. It does work like a EMP which even the volume dictates this, because in FT verse, magic is treated as an everyday part of life, just like how electricity is. Where is the proof that it drains magic equally as there are cases where people have already got drained of magic right away while there are those with magic still and people feeling weakened form the loss of magic. Acnologia's dragon form is magical which makes him vulnerable to the effects of magic. no he would not be able to fly if his magical dragon form is being effected, which is proven that he can be effected by magic. Dragons do not need to use magic for their dragon forms as they are already dragons to begin with. the difference is that they did not need to fight while flying to destroy the faces.

I already showed you the difference between Acnologia's wounds and Igneel's. Igneel had cuts on his neck and body and head, and none of those wounds were spraying blood. The blood on Igneel's lips is from the wound on his head. Igneel wasn't coughing up blood. If the cuts were recent, there would be blood spraying from them, like in Acnologia's casel. The wounds on Acnologia are fresh, whereas they weren't on Igneel. This is plainly obvious from the panels I posted above.

Just because magic is used in everyday life, it doesn't mean face operates like an EMP. That's a non sequitur. I just double checked the volume afterwards of every volume the Tartarus arc was in. It does not say face works like an EMP anywhere. Like I explained last post, an EMP is a single pulse that disables electronics by overloading the circuits. It does not actually drain any stored electrical energy. A battery is completely unaffected by an EMP. Face straight up drains magic power from people. Every mage is like a battery of magical power, and face drains their power. They work differently.

Face is not sentient. It cannot target specific individuals and selectively drain their powers more than others. If there's any variation between how much magic face drains, it would be a function of distance. Acnologia and Igneel were high above the clouds, farthest away from any of the face pillars. They certainly shouldn't be experiencing a greater drain than people standing right beside the face pillars.

Acnologia's dragon form was unaffected by face. His dragon form being magical doesn't make him vulnerable to the effects of magic. He still has his resistance to magic, which he has even when he is human. His dragon form being magical means that if face depletes enough magic so that he can't maintain his dragon form, he would revert back into a human. Then yeah, he would drop out of the sky because he no longer has wings. This didn't happen. Also, the dragons needed magic just to stay alive. They literally dissipate into dust when they run out. This is actually worse than simply reverting to a human form. Face did not wipe enough magic that the parent dragons couldn't remain in Ishgar anymore. Face also did not wipe enough magic so that Acnologia couldn't maintain his dragon form. The effects of face on all the dragons were negligible, and this includes Acnologia.

I'm not saying that face did not affect Acnologia whatsoever. I am saying it would have drained the other dragons at least just as much. If anyone had some special resistance to face's effects, it would be Acnologia because he is resistant to magic. It would not be parent dragons, because they have no special resistance against face's magic. They have dragon scales and an elemental resistance to their own elements. That's all. Igneel would have felt the exact same drain that Acnologia felt. Yet Igneel could still use his fire magic. Skiadrum could still use his roars. Weisslogia could still use his light magic. The dragons were NOT just flying around destroying the faces with physical strength. You can literally see them using magical attacks on the faces. Take a look at the dozen or so roars Skiadrum drops here:

Every single one of these explosions is a mass of magic power that is so great that face could not completely drain. These roars aren't "real dragons". They have no dragon scales. They have no elemental immunity. They're just balls of magic that Skiadrum spits from his mouth. They wouldn't be more resistant to face's drain than Acnologia. If Skiadrum can spam magical attacks like this, then there's no reason why Acnologia who had enough magic power to maintain his dragon form couldn't just flap his wings. Unless, of course, something dramatic happened to Acnologia. Like getting hit by Igneel so hard that he started coughing up blood.

 

[WoWfan]

They are practically the same as Igneel has been bleeding from the inside from the same image that you have provided, and he does bleed even from those wounds, stop saying he isn't wounded at all. 20 minutes is not enough time for cuts or any internal bleeding to be healed on their own naturally. Which only shows that they were from before Face was activated. we did not get any hint that Acno was attacked by Ingeel which led him to fall to the ground. It does by how the Volume describes it's end result. EMP disrupts the usage of electrons which run on electricity, where as Face disrupts the usage of magic for magical beings and items. Where in the world did you get the idea that Face was sentient, the simple fact is that there is no place that says that Face disrupts magic in a equal scale, just that it is purely random and has no means to be measured as such. He still has wings, but that does not mean he wasn't being effected as he would feel weakened just like others who were feeling weakened by the effects of Face, those who fought and those who have not. Regardless what you thing, Acnologia was effected simple as that. Igneel would also be effected as well, otherwise he would be up there flying to destroy the faces as well with the other dragons, or at least has the strength to kill Acnologia too, We can even see Christina using magical attacks as well, it was just a level of difference that they had, and with Igneel fighting for a while, that would explain why he could not fight while it was activated, just like Acno.

 

[Axiomus]

They are practically the same as Igneel has been bleeding from the inside from the same image that you have provided, and he does bleed even from those wounds, stop saying he isn't wounded at all. 20 minutes is not enough time for cuts or any internal bleeding to be healed on their own naturally. Which only shows that they were from before Face was activated. we did not get any hint that Acno was attacked by Ingeel which led him to fall to the ground. It does by how the Volume describes it's end result. EMP disrupts the usage of electrons which run on electricity, where as Face disrupts the usage of magic for magical beings and items. Where in the world did you get the idea that Face was sentient, the simple fact is that there is no place that says that Face disrupts magic in a equal scale, just that it is purely random and has no means to be measured as such. He still has wings, but that does not mean he wasn't being effected as he would feel weakened just like others who were feeling weakened by the effects of Face, those who fought and those who have not. Regardless what you thing, Acnologia was effected simple as that. Igneel would also be effected as well, otherwise he would be up there flying to destroy the faces as well with the other dragons, or at least has the strength to kill Acnologia too, We can even see Christina using magical attacks as well, it was just a level of difference that they had, and with Igneel fighting for a while, that would explain why he could not fight while it was activated, just like Acno.

I'm not saying that Igneel wasn't injured. He is cut on his head, neck, and torso. However, Igneel's wounds aren't spraying blood like Acnologia's, and he isn't coughing up blood. That is plainly obvious even at a glance. Acnologia's wounds look recent. Igneel's wounds look like they've been there for a while.

EMP is an electromagnetic pulse that overloads the circuitry on electronic devices. It basically overloads the circuit with more electricity than they can handle. It doesn't actually drain the electrical energy of an object. Human brains need electrical impulses to function. An EMP doesn't steal all the potential electrical energy in our brains and leave us lifeless. Face drains magic. They work differently.

Nowhere does it say that face drains stuff at pure randomness either. As it happens to be, face is a series of pillars. It's perfectly reasonable to assume that proximity to the pillar is the only variable that affects how strong the drain is. The farther you are from those pillars, the less drain you would feel. If you leave the continent entirely, out of the range of the pillars closest to the edge, you wouldn't feel the drain at all.

Like I explained above, Skiadrum was able to spam a series of magical attacks. Each one of those attacks is a mass of magic power that is too much for face to completely drain. Acnologia has more magical power than Skiadrum, and certainly has more magical power than those roars. Igneel is stronger than Skiadrum too, and he wasn't completely drained of magic either. You can see the flames around his claws and body as he is pinning Acnologia. The reason that Igneel wasn't up there destroying the faces was simply because Acnologia was the larger threat. Igneel didn't come out because he wanted to stop face. He wanted to personally defeat Acnologia.

In any case, Igneel can hit Acnologia so hard that he coughs up blood. That much at least shouldn't be up for debate. Mercphobia smacked Natsu, and wasn't able to do nearly as much damage. That alone should tell you that Mercphobia doesn't stack up to Igneel. Igneel did better against Acnologia than Mercphobia did against Natsu. Acnologia lost an arm fighting Igneel. The worst injuries Natsu got from fighting Mercphobia was self inflicted burns.

 

[WoWfan]

His mouth was showing blood as well, that too is bleeding, especially from the mouth, spaying blood or not is not the same as not bleeding as cuts can still bleed after a certain amount of time without being tended to. Recent is not the same as instant as you have been describing claiming they were from an attack that led him to fall. They are based on the same principle as the disruption of magic and electronics. Same with there is no evidence that Face drains magic equally, besides we have seen people and items with magic being drained differently as either they are out of magic or in the process of draining. Since you stated that they aren't drained equally then stop saying that they are. no, Skiadrum was just in the shadows and he was fresh and not in a previous battle which Igneel and Acnologia have been. yet we did not see even any flames in the nexct panel of the same page even when the faces were destroyed so that is a mute point you brought up. and you failed to explain that why he didn't just kill Acnologia when he had the chance as he had him right there, since it is his mission to kill Acnologia, and defeat and killing are two different things. The only reason he couldn't was because of how weakened he was from the Face. You haven't proven that Igneel did hit Acno though, are forgetting that Merc was weakened at the time and Natsu is much stronger than he was before, and Acnologia was weakened by face and fell from great heights and that is common that weakened state people do fall unconscious from certain impacts. Yet was not even effected when he lost an arm yet fell unconscious from falling and succumbing to magic loss which is more reasonable than Igneel just hitting him that it is beyond logical. Those burns are from flames of another Dragon God, which is stronger than 50% Merc who is another Dragon God.

 

[Axiomus]

His mouth was showing blood as well, that too is bleeding, especially from the mouth, spaying blood or not is not the same as not bleeding as cuts can still bleed after a certain amount of time without being tended to. Recent is not the same as instant as you have been describing claiming they were from an attack that led him to fall. They are based on the same principle as the disruption of magic and electronics. Same with there is no evidence that Face drains magic equally, besides we have seen people and items with magic being drained differently as either they are out of magic or in the process of draining. Since you stated that they aren't drained equally then stop saying that they are. no, Skiadrum was just in the shadows and he was fresh and not in a previous battle which Igneel and Acnologia have been. yet we did not see even any flames in the nexct panel of the same page even when the faces were destroyed so that is a mute point you brought up. and you failed to explain that why he didn't just kill Acnologia when he had the chance as he had him right there, since it is his mission to kill Acnologia, and defeat and killing are two different things. The only reason he couldn't was because of how weakened he was from the Face. You haven't proven that Igneel did hit Acno though, are forgetting that Merc was weakened at the time and Natsu is much stronger than he was before, and Acnologia was weakened by face and fell from great heights and that is common that weakened state people do fall unconscious from certain impacts. Yet was not even effected when he lost an arm yet fell unconscious from falling and succumbing to magic loss which is more reasonable than Igneel just hitting him that it is beyond logical. Those burns are from flames of another Dragon God, which is stronger than 50% Merc who is another Dragon God.

The blood from Igneel's lips were from the cut on his head, and he's not coughing it up like Acnologia is. There's a difference between a bloodly lip and coughing up blood. Igneel was bleeding, but his blood was freshly spraying out of his cuts. And face doesn't make people cough blood or open wounds, so those wounds would have came from Igneel hitting Acnologia. Acnologia didn't just hurt himself and face didn't hurt him.

EMP and face work in completely different fashions. I mean, they're different at the most basic definition. EMP does not drain electrical energy. An EMP cannot reduce electrons in the same way face can reduce the amount of ethernano in the air. So no, they are not similar. Face has never been referred to as an EMP in the manga, or any source for the matter.

Skiadrum's shadows is magic as well, and he was literally spamming a half a dozen of roars in the image I posted above. We see flames on Igneel's claws and covering his whole body when Igneel pinned Acnologia. This was before Grandine destroyed the first face pillar.

Spoiler: Flames on Igneel's claws and all around his body

Face drains magic from everyone on the continent equally. Acnologia has special resistance to all types of magic, so if anyone was resistant to the effects of face, it would have been Acnologia. Acnologia certainly wouldn't have been drained more than people without special resistance to magic. The drain on the other dragons was either equal or greater when compared to Acnologia. Not less.

Honestly, for the purposes of proving Igneel is stronger than Mercphobia, I don't need to prove that Igneel can kill Acnologia. Being able to bite off one of Acnologia's arm alone already puts Igneel ahead of Mercphobia, regardless of of whether or not he can knock out Acnologia. Igneel did better against Acnologia than Mercphobia did against Natsu. If Ignia was as strong as Acnologia, then he would lose an arm fighting Igneel. Ignia could feed Natsu to become strong enough to beat Mercphobia. Ignia would not struggle at all if he had to personally fight Mercphobia. He wouldn't lose an arm.

God Dragons is just what the humans of Giltena call the dragons that are as powerful as Acnologia. On Ishgar, where dragons ruled 400 years ago, the dragons would just call a dragon as strong as Acnologia a king. This is what Igneel was. He was the Fire Dragon King.

This thread specified that we're comparing the Mercphobia that fought Natsu, which would be Mercphobia at half power. I have no idea how strong Mercphobia is at full power, or how he would stack up to Igneel. All I am saying is that the version of Mercphobia that fought Natsu would lose to Igneel.

 

[WoWfan]

No, the blood is disproportionate from where it was located to the blood on his head, because unlike Acnologia, he did not drop out of the sky from the loss of magic. Not that he wasn't feeling Magic loss as well. It does not matter what you elaborate at, the volume makes a clear comparison between Face and EMPs, the end result is all the same. Skiadrum was not already fighting and tired and draining of magic like Acno and Igneel were. The flames were immediately nonexistent next panel on the same page which does not mean squat, so he was effected by Face, simple as that. There is no evidence that Igneel can kill Igneel, even at full power, because we do not know how much percentage Igneel was when he fought Acnologia, but likely not the significantly low. Merc 100% can be measured by the ocean he lifted which can be calculated. I am saying that a lot of time has passed and these DG can very well be stronger than even Igneel, besides what is a king to a god? Acnologia is different from other dragons so he is outside that logic