Fantasy Mercophobia vs Igneel

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Etherion is continental since the size of a country in FT is the size of a continent. We know that due to Hargeon being 370km away from Fiore and having a map to scale from.
And You think Elimina is continent size as well? That why his water covered just the town not the entire Giletina. Are saying he lift entire ocean surrounding Gilitina and Ishigar?
 
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MS translation say it's an ocean. Sea can still be the size of multiple countries in our world. The FT world is much bigger thus the size of things are grander. A sea would be much bigger than just a coast of water as well. If you want, you could just use the golf of mexico as a reference.

Compare that to the body of water next Guiltena and you could still get a multi continental result.

Ignia was literally showing off to Natsu that there are flames that can burn through water magic lol. The whole point of it was to show Natsu how to beat Merc so he can level up and get stronger. Merc tried to put out the flames so it didn't harm himself, he wasn't trying to protect the city.

Continental level feats would do much more damage to the earth than just the continent. The ecosystem all around should be completely f-ed by them but most aren't due to it being fiction and thus the writer doesn't usually care for the fall out of such devastating attacks. Etherion was actually shot off a year prior to FT and such blast didn't effect Ishgar's ecosystem despite it wiping an entire country the size of a continent off the map. RM's Etherion destroyed 1/7th of the world yet the fall out was never discussed or presented to cause harm to the Earth despite the Earth losing 1/7th of it's weight lol. Destroying 1/7th of the planet should cause massive amounts of damage to environment yet it was brushed under the rug.

Why would the water do damage when it's stationary? Unless that sucker is getting dropped then yeah flipping an ocean is useless but it is still a display of your power level. Being able to levitate such weight would take high energy levels to do and that would be translated into AP. Except Igneel was only fighting an Acno who gave zero sh!ts and wasn't actually challenged by Igneel. Acnologia already beat Igneel at his prime and toyed with half dead Igneel. If Acno took it serious Igneel would have been toasted. I only accept the 3rd installement of the anime as canon bcs Hiro tweeted about having a hand with the production and supposedly adding some new elements to the anime. CSK got a bonkers buff with his Meteor Blade and Galaxia Blade lol.

I never said Igneel couldn't take hits from Merc, and stated he could beat 50% mindless Merc, but he is getting beat by 100% Merc. 100% Merc = 100% Base Acnologia > 100% Igneel.
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Yes, but he ate a time paradox that contained discrepancies of three alt timelines before he actually got actually got effected by his limit. Etherion is continental since the size of a country in FT is the size of a continent. We know that due to Hargeon being 370km away from Fiore and having a map to scale from. Eitherion is not featless as it was proven to wipe a country off the map a year prior to the start of the series.
No, mangastream also translates it as sea. Gulf of Mexico is still not as large as continental US, let alone multiple continents. More importantly, Mercphobia didn't lift up anywhere near that much water. We saw what happened when Mercphobia dropped the ocean back down on the city of Elmina. It didn't flood the whole city. It certainly didn't hit the inhabitants living in that city with the force of a continent's worth of water, let alone multiple continents. Continental level feats would have global effects. Stuff like worldwide earthquakes and tsunamis. Mercphobia and Ignia's attacks didn't even destroy one city. Ignia had no way of knowing what Mercphobia was going to do. He just wanted to make some flames for Natsu to eat. Mercphobia ended up trying to put out his flames, which gave Ignia the chance to brag about how his flames are so hot that he can burn water. It wasn't planned. If Ignia wanted to vaporize the water, he could have just attacked the sea directly.

Just because they never focused on it, doesn't mean that there was no consequences to the environment for using Etherion. The consequences probably didn't effect the entire continent, but it would have effected an area the size of a country. When Acnologia roared at tenrou, he saturated the area with so much ethernano that it became uninhabitable. Etherion probably did the same to the area it hit. Also, the council probably fired etherion at the Alvarez Empire....not at themselves. In any case, no matter how you spin it, if somebody vaporized an entire ocean, we would definitely see the effects. For one, there would no longer be an ocean. All that water vapor would cause serious greenhouse effects, and we would get mass rain for several years.

The water doesn't do any damage while it's stationary. That's kind of my point. When Mercphobia actually used his water pillars, he does multiple building level blasts that team Natsu members can survive. When Mercphobia roars, his roar can be tanked by Natsu. When Mercphobia does his whirlpool, Ignia can swim through it. When Mercphobia drops his sea down on Elmina, it just floods portions of the city. The buildings and inhabitants aren't getting crushed by the weight of a continent's worth of water. When you look at Mercphobia's feats, none of them translates into anything larger than city-sized attack power. It certainly doesn't translate to multi-continental sized attack power.

What part of Igneel and Acnologia's fight suggests that Acnologia was holding back? They fought for 20 minutes. Acnologia was all cut up and bloody. Igneel hit Acnologia so hard he started to cough up blood, and Igneel actually knocked out Acnologia for a moment. After Acnologai recovered, he got his arm bitten off in the second round. Just because Zeref made some comments, it doesn't change the fact that Igneel gave Acnologia an extremely difficult fight. Zeref was trash talking. He thought that he was going to provide a real challenge to Acnologia after obtaining Fairy Heart. But after seeing what Acnologia do the time rift and what Natsu did to Zeref, I'm pretty convinced that Acnologia would have just eaten Zeref for a powerup and then pooped out Zeref's immortal remains. Hiro also worked on the 2nd anime series, as well as parts of the 1st. He worked on the filler arcs, at the very least. Stuff like Halphas is in the 2nd anime season. I mean, you don't have to consider the filler feats canon. It just gives you a better idea of what Igneel and Acnologia's fight would have looked like if it weren't off screened. The canon parts (fighting for 20 minutes, cutting Acnologia up and making him cough blood, and biting off an arm) already speaks for itself.
 
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KT, Too bad Merc showed multi-continent level feats, comeback and contradict yourself when you claim Acno did something better when he showed no feats that outstripped that of Merc’s ocean lifting

Mangastream is hardly a reliable source, and the kanji presented can translate to ocean as well, and from the other information shown it makes sense as it is abyssal, dark enough light cannot shine through, etc
 

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Too bad for it did building damage. So anything else is in your head.
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Learn to tag a person properly. If you can't do something so simple your knowledge is in question.
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You Claim Merc feat > Acno's
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Yes, but he ate a time paradox that contained discrepancies of three alt timelines before he actually got actually got effected by his limit.
By @Jko statement Acno feat > Merc

So which one should i go with now The Guy who doesn't knows something as simple as tagging a person or with @Jko
 

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Too bad it is multi continent, I know how to tag someone, I just don’t bother doing it for someone who contradicts themselves like you. By your logic you claim that Merc is stronger than Acno by feats alone
 

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It's prob not a ocean or a sea, just a large body of water, "sea" just sounds cooler. The amount of water he lifted was so thin that it didn't even darken the sky after all, and couldn't even destroy a city when dropped on one. Can't have been vaporized either since by the end of the fight the harbor had plenty of water, which would be impossible if the sea or ocean its connected to was vaporized.
 

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Building level damage. Glad know we are on the same i won't bother tagging someone like you as well.
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It's prob not a ocean or a sea, just a large body of water, "sea" just sounds cooler. The amount of water he lifted was so thin that it didn't even darken the sky after all, and couldn't even destroy a city when dropped on one. Can't have been vaporized either since by the end of the fight the harbor had plenty of water, which would be impossible if the sea or ocean its connected to was vaporized.
Don't bother bro. He thinks he is some sort scientist and his assumption based cals are perfect. Two or three words of reply is enough. No need to waste time.
 

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People would not say those things though unless they have legitimacy and visual evidence behind it. Which we can see to have, it was so thick it was dark that light cannot pass through and you cannot even see Ignia swimming in it, not even the light from his flaming tail, that alone makes it dark enough as it is, who’s to say that the water from the town flowed back into the ocean, and boiling water does not remove it from the planet nor from existence.

KT, glad to know you think Acno is weaker than Merc by feats, you can stop now
 

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Only in your head it was dark. You can clearly see the sky.
 

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townsfolk being able to see=plenty of light
water in the harbor=ocean not vaporized
town tanking the water=mediocre amount of water dropped
 

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Only in your head you think otherwise, you cannot even see Ingia’s Body until he left the ocean, that is how dark it is

Ignia vaporized most of the water, you can even see vapor in the chapter when he was around, that makes sense, water collected in one location is fluid so it changes shape so you can see other pars od the sky on the horizon
 

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Very Dark
 

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Thank you for admitting it is dark, because an ocean is far big for any light to shine through
 

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No need. I can clearly see how light it from this.
 

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Only for the horizon though, and not from the ocean itself, thank you, so we can stop now
 

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Sure Doesn't chance the fact the water he had was town level.
 

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Good thing you changed your mind anyway as it is Multi-Continent Level anyway
 

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Cities aren't fine after being hit by multi-continental amounts of water. Harbors arent filled when the ocean it's connected to is vaporized minutes earlier. Sorry, but Merc isn't even city level by feats
 

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Very Dark
It's just Town Level nothing More.
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Not gonna chance my mind just cause you say so
 

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It doesn't take very much depth to lose sight of a person underwater. You can stay hidden in a swimming pool of 7 meters easily. The person doing the diving however, would still get plenty of light.

This is not the same as being in the abyssal zone, or even the twilight zone, of an ocean. There it is pitch black even if you are underwater.

If someone lifted the pacific ocean over the united states, the sun would literally be unable to shine through. It would be pitch black except for the artificial lighting we have from electricity. Needless to say, didn't happen.
 
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