Discussion Mihawk's Power Level

[DutchPhoenix]

haki is an abilility to improve one's fighting style, not a fighting style on its own.
And ur free to believe that shanks uses kicks and punches as his main fighting style.

The sword he always carries and uses is just for decoration, even the blades on his flags are just for decoration.

Now seriously, shanks is a swordsman, but hes not the strongest one, thats mihawk

 

[Schabrak]

That's not what we mean, but go on exaggerating and missing the point. While Dracule seems to solely rely on his swords skills[+haki I suppose], Shanks might not since he had lost his main sword hand as a sacrifice to Luffy. He obviously still uses his sword as his main weapon of choice still.

 

[ish3]

Title or no title strongest swordman yonkou they're all just titles. To zoro being strong enough to protect luffy from anyone who stands in his way as pirate king is an even greater ambition if not equal to his main dream down the road. Mihawk isn't even the ends all end by the end of the manga and we all know why but I'm not gonna go into that. Zoro might end up wanting to become the greatest swordsman in history not just in the present because of all these things. It's a baseless argument to use without knowing what we'll deal with later on in this story.

On topic tho in a fight will strength tactics and luck play a big part so it's blasphemous to say shanks is weaker than mihawk when not only have we never seen their full strength we've never even seen mihawk go all out. Comparing feats right now mihawk only wins due to him having more appearances and clashes. When Shanks battles blackbeard which I'm assuming will happen before the fight for pirate king we'll see his true strength. Until all this talk about comparisons between them both is baseless. It will be years before we know any of this stuff.

 

[M3J]

With what else will shanks fight? hes a swordsman.
For sure he aint gonna go boxing, and he didnt eat a DF.

There are different ways of fighting, it's not limited to just one way. Again, Sanji and Zoro are perfect examples. Zoro can alternate between three swords to two to one to none at all, while Sanji can use knives and hands too if need be, despite relying solely on his legs most of the time. Likewise, Shanks may not be defined to one skill.

In terms of swordsman skill, there's a good chance Mihawk is stronger than Shanks. However, didn't Mihawk say he refused to fight Shanks after Shanks lost his arm? Didn't Oda mention that Shanks' power was still the same before he lost his arm? If they tied before then, then they will likely tie now.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

He wouldnt be called worlds strongest swordsman if that were the case.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

He wouldnt be called worlds strongest swordsman if that were the case.

You haven't considered that it might sound lame if Shanks carried both the title of Yonko and greatest swordsman? What would be the fun in that? Mihawk might carry the title, but that doesn't mean that Shanks isn't on-par with him. I for one do not think that Mihawk is stronger / a better swordsman than Shanks.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

I for one do not think that Mihawk is stronger / a better swordsman than Shanks.

that contradicts with oda's writing.

 

[Schabrak]

So he's a better swordsman, both are great fighters, but Shanks could[not should] still be stronger overall, win in the end. Don't you get that?

 

[DutchPhoenix]

So he's a better swordsman, both are great fighters, but Shanks could[not should] still be stronger overall, win in the end. Don't you get that?

not aslong he using a sword.

 

[M3J]

He wouldnt be called worlds strongest swordsman if that were the case.

He still would be, especially if people think Shanks losing an arm made him worse of a swordsman. Mihawk's title may not be entirely true because there could be someone else who is stronger than him who hasn't fought Mihawk yet.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

He still would be, especially if people think Shanks losing an arm made him worse of a swordsman. Mihawk's title may not be entirely true because there could be someone else who is stronger than him who hasn't fought Mihawk yet.

then oda wouldnt have gave him the title, but he did.
And even if that unlikely theory would be true, it for sure wont be shanks.
But i dont think its the case, since mihawk said this.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2114-12/one-piece/chapter-52.html

 

[MBVC]

BB has a pair of handguns with him, does it mean BB would loose to his sniper when they fight?

 

[Kaiten]

not aslong he using a sword.

Are you saying that you know that Shanks is solely reliant on sword fighting, that he was severely weakened after losing his arm over ten years before the present storyline, and despite his title as one of the Yonkou, he is a Paper Tiger, weaker than Mihawk? And you base this on what? Can you link to something that proves Shanks is only a swordsman, and is weaker now than before he lost his arm? I am very much aware of the page Mihawk said he did not want to fight him. I also remember the page where he parried Whitebeard's naginata, and the page where he easily parried Akainu's fully activated logia ability, despite only having one arm. Explain to me: if losing an arm hurt him so much, how was he able to counter Whitebeard and Akainu so easily, with his sword, only using one arm?

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http://www.batoto.net/read/_/17700/one-piece_ch579_by_franky-house/12

With one hand, Shanks blocked Akainu's fist, full transformed, with logia ability activated, attacking Coby with his full strength. And you are telling me Shanks is weaker than Mihawk because he lost his arm and is not as good a swordsman as he used to be?

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http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2541-14/one-piece/chapter-434.html

Here is fighting Whitebeard, one handed, with his sword. His missing arm does not seem to weaken him much. He still is able to effectively parry Whitebeard's gigantic naginata. If he is that weakened as a swordsman, the manga makes it extremely hard to tell.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Even if he didnt weaken by losing an arm, he still aint as strong as mihawk, else oda would have given the title to shanks.

 

[Schabrak]

Would you stop repeating yourself? In the the end Whitebeard was a swordsman too(don't reply with something as stupid as bisento-man please), but he only got the strongest man title not all three: Yonkou, strongest man and greatest swordsman.

Do you still not get that's about both, his skill and strength with the sword. Shanks may be just as strong, but not as skilled as Dracule is. Maybe it's time for you to look the epitaph up and search for a good translation yourself?

I will have to consider you as a troll, if you keep on evading any real discussion, not replying to arguments providing the reasoning that we just don't have a single clue who's the stronger/better fighter of those two. Let me repeat that: Oda hasn't provided any significant feat or power display to let us know which one is stronger, would win in a duell. None whatsoever.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Whitebeard had both the younko status , and strongest man.
Hes main fighting style was around his devil fruit power.

You cannot and should not compare whitebeard to shanks.
Shanks is a swordsman, does not own a devil fruit, and doesnt hold any title besides being a one of the younko.

You shouldnt be annoyed by the fact that till now all evidence shows that mihawk is stronger then shanks if they were to go 1 vs 1 (no crew/allies involved)
Unlike whitebeard was, mihawk is currently at his prime.

Take a look at this
http://www.mangareader.net/103-38993-10/one-piece/chapter-563.html
Due his health getting worser and worser, it could be up to debate if WB was still the strongest man in the world, at the time of the marineford battle.
Even crocodile says WB is ''weak'' compared to what he was not that long before, imagen what a true monster WB would have been when he wasnt sick and dying.
Blackbeard mentions it aswell
http://www.mangareader.net/103-47876-6/one-piece/chapter-576.html

Secondly, i think its fair to assume that everyone knows that Mihawk excels in swordsmanship compared to shanks (swordmanship includes haki)
Yet people still bring up this ''overall fighting skill'' or ''all out'' whatever you want to call it.
However you fail to answer, where lies the difference in swordmanship (including the haki) and ''going all out/overal fighting skill''
Isnt that the same thing, since shanks is a swordsman.
If you do not think its the same thing, then please provide evidence of this so called 'overall fighting skill'' or ''all out'' that shanks can do.
Besides, like luffy, i think shanks has this ability too.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-36562-12/one-piece/chapter-561.html
The ability to turn those around him, into his allies, the most dangerous ability of all

PS: im not a troll just because i think this way
Mihawk = strongest swordsman not questionable.
Shanks = swordsman
Logic tells me mihawk > shanks.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

It's no use Schabrak. When she questioned that Whitebeard was the strongest man alive, and that "Fair to assume that everyone knows that Mihawk excels in swordsmanship compared to shanks, and in Haki as well". I just gave up on answering

 

[DutchPhoenix]

It's no use Schabrak. When she questioned that Whitebeard was the strongest man alive, and that "Fair to assume that everyone knows that Mihawk excels in swordsmanship compared to shanks, and in Haki as well". I just gave up on answering

i didnt said mihawks haki's is stronger then shanks, i said that swordsmanship includes haki, especially at that level..
Secondly regarding the whitebeard, i said it could be up to debate if he was still the strongest man alive at marineford, since his health took a serious dip, when also several notewhorty characters questioned whitebeards current strenght & health.

So aslong you do not read, you should indeed give up on answering.
Because its wasting my time when i have to explain to you why you didnt fully read what i actually wrote.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

i didnt said mihawks haki's is stronger then shanks, i said that swordsmanship includes haki, especially at that level..
Secondly regarding the whitebeard, i said it could be up to debate if he was still the strongest man alive at marineford, since his health took a serious dip, when also several notewhorty characters questioned whitebeards current strenght & health.

So aslong you do not read, you should indeed give up on answering.
Because its wasting my time when i have to explain to you why you didnt fully read what i actually wrote.

Yeah I apologize, I didn't write anything in respone because I'm tired, and because I believe your opinions to be biased and/or misinterpreted bs.
You're narrow-minded, repeptitive, and therefore boring to argue with.

Just because Mihawk is supposedly a better swordsman than Shanks does not imply that his haki is superior. You can twist it any way you want, but that is essentially what you're saying.

Whitebeard was the strongest man in the world. It doesn't matter if his health was rapidly declining or that he was old has hell.
Sengoku had such respect for his power that he wasn't even convinced that they would win the war. And referred to him several times as the world's strongest man. For example:

Spoiler

Do you need more proof than that? Oda emphasized it so much during the war. And the Admirals were "brats" to him.

Why shouldn't we compare Whitebeard and Shanks? they're both swordsmen of sorts, Yonko, from the same era, So fkn what if Whitebeard had a DF? Did you see how strong he was without it? And Kaiten already provided the best page for my argument. But, I'll give you this one as well. To show you his strength as a severely injured, sick and old man.

Spoiler

Btw, those are HQ VA's that he's flinging around like flies.
And during the war, he took ALL of this damage, and still stood strong on his feet when he passed.

Spoiler

I believe Shanks to have been weaker than WB at the time, but I sure as hell don't think that he would lag far behind in a 1v1 fight.

As for Swordsmanship including Haki. So friggin what? Swordsmanship and Haki are two completely different things. Swordsmanship is how you move the sword, and how you measure ones' skill with the blade. Haki is how much you can enforce the power of your slashes and cuts. Power and swordsmanship are not one and the same, and neither is Haki.

TheLuffySmile: Out.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Haki is how much you can enforce the power of your slashes and cuts. Power and swordsmanship are not one and the same, and neither is Haki.

TheLuffySmile: Out.

like how a regular slash cuts a island sized iceberg clean in half?