Discussion Mihawk's Power Level

[M3J]

that's what his title means, he's the world's unrivaled swordsmaster, his swordsmastery is no.1

I know what the title means, but I'm asking for proof, not titles. Can you actually prove that Mihawk is a better swordsman than Shanks?

 

[kkck]

I don't think the strength of the weapon really is of much consequence here. Once haki comes into play even stupid weapons can be deadly. Just look at vergo, his main weapon was an ordinary bamboo cane which was made deadly by his haki. Shanks is a yonko, his weapons should be pretty good and both of them should have pretty insane haki, I doubt it would be the defining aspect of the battle.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

I don't think the strength of the weapon really is of much consequence here. Once haki comes into play even stupid weapons can be deadly. Just look at vergo, his main weapon was an ordinary bamboo cane which was made deadly by his haki. Shanks is a yonko, his weapons should be pretty good and both of them should have pretty insane haki, I doubt it would be the defining aspect of the battle.

I think grade swords will matter alot, however the explaination why excactly we will probably get later in the story.

 

[Kaizokudan]

I believe Mihawk's power at least equivalent to an admiral if not greater.

I think that Shanks is actually much stronger than Mihawk in terms of sordsmanship, Rayleigh being the former greatest swordsman and having trained shanks but they are childhood rivals and there isn't any real point having both the title of yonko and worlds greatest swordsman.

 

[Ninomiya]

I believe its that Shanks uses a less orthodox fighting style involving his sword unlike Zoro & Mihawk.
Or rather, that's a possibility.
It was never stated Whitebeard was the greatest staff wielder but let's face it, we've yet to see anybody stronger than WB weilding a staff lol.
This just an idea of course.

I don't think the strength of the weapon really is of much consequence here. Once haki comes into play even stupid weapons can be deadly. Just look at vergo, his main weapon was an ordinary bamboo cane which was made deadly by his haki. Shanks is a yonko, his weapons should be pretty good and both of them should have pretty insane haki, I doubt it would be the defining aspect of the battle.

Too far imo.
Strengths of weapons definitely matter.
Oda isn't the type to go back on his story guidelines and cancel such big things.
He went as far as to give titles to sets of swords:

Wazamono Grade Swords (It is unknown how many there are, but there are plenty)

50 Ryo Wazamono Grade Swords (One of these is the one that Captain Shu destroyed of Zoro's, Tashigi has 2)

21 O Wazamono Grade Swords (Zoro has two of these atm)

12 Saijo O Wazamono Grade Swords (The best of the best, Mihawk's sword is from this pile)

I think your sword strength is definitely relevant.

 

[kkck]

Too far imo.
Strengths of weapons definitely matter.
Oda isn't the type to go back on his story guidelines and cancel such big things.
He went as far as to give titles to sets of swords:

Wazamono Grade Swords (It is unknown how many there are, but there are plenty)

50 Ryo Wazamono Grade Swords (One of these is the one that Captain Shu destroyed of Zoro's, Tashigi has 2)

21 O Wazamono Grade Swords (Zoro has two of these atm)

12 Saijo O Wazamono Grade Swords (The best of the best, Mihawk's sword is from this pile)

I think your sword strength is definitely relevant.

Oda has never actually said the strength of the sword in itself is THAT important. Grade swords are simply famous swords in the end, thats it. Even then, it should stand to reason that having a graded sword is not a requirement for the new world in itself. Based on what oda said there are 83 famous swords... the number of strong pirates, let alone pirates, in the new world easily exceeds that. They need good swords however the manga has one way or the other already made the point that the strength of the user is ultimately what counts. If the strength of the weapon itself made that huge a difference then there are already multiple things in the manga that would simply not make sense. To begin with we have to consider unarmed fighters. Luffy, garp and other hand to hand combatants are more than capable enough of going up against armed enemies. Then we have people that actually use random pieces of junk to fight. Vergo used a bamboo cane which in all honesty is something he could pick up from the woods or from a trashcan. Sabo uses an actual pipe. I guess there is a chance that it is some sort of specially forged pipe specifically meant for combat although I don't think we have much evidence to actually argue that. Its not like sabo is holding back or is just plainly a moron, he uses a literal piece of ordinary garbage to fight the world government (at least until proven otherwise). That is his weapon regardless of whether he fights the admirals or mihawk.... and sabo can presumably use it effectively against anyone. Sabo even already used it to break diamante's sword and diamante himself is actually supposed to be extremely powerful. Great swords are ultimately just a status thing, they stopped being all that the moment garbage became an acceptable and functional weapon. Ultimately the user is far more important than the weapon itself.

 

[MiyamotoMusashi]

Oda has never actually said the strength of the sword in itself is THAT important. Grade swords are simply famous swords in the end, thats it. Even then, it should stand to reason that having a graded sword is not a requirement for the new world in itself. Based on what oda said there are 83 famous swords... the number of strong pirates, let alone pirates, in the new world easily exceeds that. They need good swords however the manga has one way or the other already made the point that the strength of the user is ultimately what counts. If the strength of the weapon itself made that huge a difference then there are already multiple things in the manga that would simply not make sense. To begin with we have to consider unarmed fighters. Luffy, garp and other hand to hand combatants are more than capable enough of going up against armed enemies. Then we have people that actually use random pieces of junk to fight. Vergo used a bamboo cane which in all honesty is something he could pick up from the woods or from a trashcan. Sabo uses an actual pipe. I guess there is a chance that it is some sort of specially forged pipe specifically meant for combat although I don't think we have much evidence to actually argue that. Its not like sabo is holding back or is just plainly a moron, he uses a literal piece of ordinary garbage to fight the world government (at least until proven otherwise). That is his weapon regardless of whether he fights the admirals or mihawk.... and sabo can presumably use it effectively against anyone. Sabo even already used it to break diamante's sword and diamante himself is actually supposed to be extremely powerful. Great swords are ultimately just a status thing, they stopped being all that the moment garbage became an acceptable and functional weapon. Ultimately the user is far more important than the weapon itself.

Which does not make the weapon unimportant. It was made clear, especially in relation to Zoro, how important the sword actually is. It was also made clear that those who use the junk as a weapon are somewhat allround fighters and do not have to rely on their weapons, like Vergo and Sabo who you brought up. On the other hand, we have seen swordsmen who, without their swords, are nothing, i think that is an important distinction to make.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

I know what the title means, but I'm asking for proof, not titles. Can you actually prove that Mihawk is a better swordsman than Shanks?

The title itself is proof.
if it wasnt, oda would be a liar in his own manga.

 

[Ninomiya]

Oda has never actually said the strength of the sword in itself is THAT important. Grade swords are simply famous swords in the end, thats it. Even then, it should stand to reason that having a graded sword is not a requirement for the new world in itself.

Being strong in New World is not that relevant to the discusstion of "Strongest Swordsman" in the world.
Its like saying how strong WB is without using a sword. He isn't relevant to a discussion regarding the "Strongest Swordsman".
Oda has implied the strength of the sword is important.
Otherwise Mihawk wouldn't have one sword from the set of the greatest swords then would he?

Based on what oda said there are 83 famous swords... the number of strong pirates, let alone pirates, in the new world easily exceeds that. They need good swords however the manga has one way or the other already made the point that the strength of the user is ultimately what counts. If the strength of the weapon itself made that huge a difference then there are already multiple things in the manga that would simply not make sense. To begin with we have to consider unarmed fighters. Luffy, garp and other hand to hand combatants are more than capable enough of going up against armed enemies. Then we have people that actually use random pieces of junk to fight. Vergo used a bamboo cane which in all honesty is something he could pick up from the woods or from a trashcan. Sabo uses an actual pipe. I guess there is a chance that it is some sort of specially forged pipe specifically meant for combat although I don't think we have much evidence to actually argue that. Its not like sabo is holding back or is just plainly a moron, he uses a literal piece of ordinary garbage to fight the world government (at least until proven otherwise).

These people or not official and trained Swordsmen. Their route to gaining strength is completely different.
For people who are gaining strength through becoming Swordsmen, it is clear that Sword strength is of some kind of importance.

Great swords are ultimately just a status thing, they stopped being all that the moment garbage became an acceptable and functional weapon. Ultimately the user is far more important than the weapon itself.

It doesn't make Sword strength unimportant in regards to the title of the greatest swordsman though does it?

 

[Lozmaster]

It seems likely that the grade of the sword matters in terms of how strong the sword is.

If for nothing else, when zoro first fought Mihawk way back in east blue and got his ass handed to him, his two regular swords were destroyed by mihawk while his O Wazamono Grade Sword survived the attack.

 

[MBVC]

Another stupid example is that if Hawkeye only uses a chopstick to fight against Shanks with his regular sword then I really doubt he is able to fight Shanks evenly, winning against Shanks is totally out of question in this situation.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Another stupid example is that if Hawkeye only uses a chopstick to fight against Shanks with his regular sword then I really doubt he is able to fight Shanks evenly, winning against Shanks is totally out of question in this situation.

based on what?

 

[RichardMNixon]

based on what?

Are you arguing that Mihawk will beat Shanks even if Mihawk doesn't have a sword?
You can argue that MBVC's thought experiment isn't relevant, but it'd be pretty ridiculous to argue the conclusion isn't correct.

 

[MBVC]

based on what?

None, but if Hawkeye is able to fight Shanks evenly or even beats Shanks with only a wooden stick then the gap between them is really big and I doubt it because Shanks is very powerful after all. Fighting against one of the Yonkou with wooden stick requires extraordinary strength + other powers, beating one of the Yonkou by using a wooden stick really requires lots of miracle here. If that's possible then what's next? Beating WB with a wooden stick too?

 

[Josef]

Meh, I dunno, hard to look at One Piece characters without their uniqe fighting style, it's the core of the manga, no "what ifs", the best example is Luffy and his enemies, those matches ended that way due to the participants in them having such and such powers.

We can not look at Mihawk without his sword, provided of course he has other abilities that have not been shown yet, in that case we take all of what one person has to offer, ability and power wise.

 

[Khaon]

I think Mihawk would win in any case against Shanks on a duel of sword.
However, Shanks masters some other things that might change the tide if it's not restricted to to sword only usagE.

 

[Schabrak]

It's not funny that you can't accept that Shanks might have some other skills to make him a better fighter than Shanks. It's sad tbh, as you even try to make fun of such a simple and logical idea.

Vergo is a better haki user and martial artist, did that stop Law from cutting him into pieces? No it did not, as there are skills aside from pure physical strength, namely DF's. And it doesn't have to be a DF'S ability, it could be anything, just that it was such an easy to understand example.

 

[takneeque]

^^ there are plenty of ways to take on a swordsman,especially with haki.one crude example would be to fight with two rods,imbued with haki,hitting the swordman from both sides,left and right.another could be using a diversion with a big boulder/meteorite kinda thing from above while attacking the person at the same time.when you are attacking with haki and brute strength,who cares about swordsmanship.if the swordsman's haki is not good enough,he is bound to take damage.mihawk can be elegant while attacking with a sword but he surely can't defend well with a sword.defense can and does become the downfall of a swordsman.to mihawk's or to any swordsman's credit,i would give thumbs up to only their attacking capability.if the opponent is faster or has better haki all around(like chinjao against cavandish),everything is fair game.

Maybe shanks uses fish man karate with his 1 remaining arm..
Or what about his feet, he might be like sanji
But seriously, we all know hes main combat style is with the sword.
Just thinking he might have different fighting style, just because he isnt the swordsman #1 , so he could win from mihawk, is just funny xD

do you ever,if any,try to get your point across..or are you just in the habit of making sweeping statements.no offence,i think your one liners are occasionally funny.

 

[Mohsen]

Do these titles in OP mean much. As far as we've seen only cause someone holds a certain doesn't mean that there doesn't exist someone who is his equal in that certain area.
For example: Mihawk and Shanks are being considered equal in swordsmanship according to WB and Mihawk kinda admitted that in the Mirneford arc that WB is above him in strength which is why he wanted to test how far away WB is from him. Then what about Raleigh whose main fighting style is also swordsmanship. I doubt Raleigh would loose either to Shanks nor Hawkeyes without nearly killing one of them.

Then we have WB who held the tile "World Strongest Man" but kaidou kinda holds the same title as "Worlds Strongest Beast". Whose now the strongest in the world WB or Kaidou?
But even that doesn't kame much sense cause WB got this title cause he was one of the few ones who were equal in strength to Roger but so was Garp and maybe Sengoku.

So in the end titles are only there to hype certain characters. And if Shanks would be holding the title "World Strongest Swordsman" then Luffy and Zorro would be after the same person and to avoid that Oda gave someone who is equal to Shanks the title of greatest swordsman.

 

[Schabrak]

What is there to enlighten when we have never even seen him do more than clash his sword with someone else[Akainu and Whitebird, who are respectively some of the strongest characters shown in the entire series so far]? He never fought in the series, he was shown to have incredible haki and swordmanship skills so far.

do you ever,if any,try to get your point across..or are you just in the habit of making sweeping statements

edit: We've been through your "question" already, probably more than once, so you might reread the discussion to find another answer.