Discussion Mihawk's Power Level

[MBVC]

if u want 100% facts..

1. Mihawk is the worlds most powerfull swordman
2. shanks got his arm eaten by a fish
3. shanks got 3 scars on his eye by blackbeard.
4. shanks has a big crew/allies and controls many islands and is a younko
5. mihawk is alone, and is warlord title given by government
6. mihawk and shanks were rivals before who had legendary duells.
7. mihawk doesnt consider shanks a rival anymore, now that he lost an arm.

^ Not always true, I'm very certain that Mihawk wasn't the strongest swordsman of 25 years ago, that title belonged either to Rayleigh or someone else like the old monk who is among the top people controlling the WG. Hawkeye "never actually owns the title strongest swordsman, he merely looks after it for the next generation"!

 

[DutchPhoenix]

^ Not always true, I'm very certain that Mihawk wasn't the strongest swordsman of 25 years ago, that title belonged either to Rayleigh or someone else like the old monk who is among the top people controlling the WG.

We dont know who was the previous worlds most powerfull swordsman, manga hasnt mentioned that yet.

Hawkeye "never actually owns the title strongest swordsman, he merely looks after it for the next generation"!

I dont really understand your logic, that mihawk doesnt own it.
Mihawk really is the strongest swordman in One piece, thats why he currently has that title.
We dont know for how long he has that title, or how long he will keep it, but right now, he does own the title.

PS: i wouldnt be suprised if Rayleigh was the previous holder of that title

 

[MBVC]

There must be some super strong swordsman who doesn't give a damn about the silly title. I hope Zoro will realize this truth, because I don't like Zoro wastes his remaining life defending this useless title.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

There must be some super strong swordsman who doesn't give a damn about the silly title. I hope Zoro will realize this truth, because I don't like Zoro wastes his remaining life defending this useless title.

The thing is, Zoro probably knows that. And you would think that if there's some "super strong swordsman" that isn't in the marines, nor a bounty hunter or pirate, I'd be really disappointed. There is no way that someone of Mihawk-lvl strength is just out there somewhere in a small village cutting onions. Zoeo is not doing this for anyone but himself. He wants an adventure, and to defeat the man regarded as the strongest, just to know his own strength. What his limit is as a man, how far he can go. It's not a useless title, that is just your subjective opinion.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

There must be some super strong swordsman who doesn't give a damn about the silly title. I hope Zoro will realize this truth, because I don't like Zoro wastes his remaining life defending this useless title.

What makes you say this is the truth? an unknown superstrong swordman nobody knows about? xD

 

[ikuroi]

Just to add my two cents in this thread/debate;

Being the strongest swordsman doesn't mean he is the strongest in general.

I think what the databook said about Shanks not becoming weaker by loosing an arm (fact) is a hint, about a power we have yet seen (theory). We know he got amazing haki (fact).

What I believe;



Shanks vs. Mihawk,

In a swordsfight between Shanks and Mihawk, Mihawk will win (not an easy fight though).

In a all-out-fight between Shanks and Mihawk, Shanks will win (not an easy fight thouh).



An Admiral vs. Mihawk,

From what i've seen, admirals are monsters. But there are some people who can give them a fight and come up on top of it (Rayleigh, Marco, WB).
Even amongst the admirals there seems to be a power diffrence (Akainu seems to be at the top). I can't see alot of people beating him tbh.

So I say, Mihawk can fight them equally or beat or get beaten by them. But he is def up there power wise.


An Yonkou vs. Mihawk,

First off, I think the title goes to the most powerful pirate. So I think it's pretty similiar to the admiral case. But we have to little information on them, so I don't really know.. I can only go with my gut feeling on this one, to debate this also pretty useless as we haven't seen Shanks (since he became a yonkou), Kaidou or Big Mom fight.



An Shichibukai vs. Mihawk,

Can't really see any of them beating him. After what I've seen in the marineford arc and punk hazzard/dressrosa arc.


Oh I forgot, power =/= strength.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Just to add my two cents in this thread/debate;

Being the strongest swordsman doesn't mean he is the strongest in general.

I think what the databook said about Shanks not becoming weaker by loosing an arm (fact) is a hint, about a power we have yet seen (theory). We know he got amazing haki (fact).

What I believe;



Shanks vs. Mihawk,

In a swordsfight between Shanks and Mihawk, Mihawk will win (not an easy fight though).

In a all-out-fight between Shanks and Mihawk, Shanks will win (not an easy fight thouh).
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Shanks is a swordsman , but he does have impressive Haki, did you know Haki can be used to imbue swords?
In a all-out-fight between shanks and mihawk, shanks will still lose, even with his monster haki.
Thats how strong mihawk is, and why he has the title of strongest swordsman, and also why hes the ultimate goal for zoro ever since the beginning.
It aint shanks that zoro wants to beat, its mihawk.

Sure Shanks hes very strong and is a younko and is very respected, however he still will lose from mihawk combat wise 1 on 1.

Story wise Mihawk should be as strong or stronger then most of the younko, because hes zoro's final goal.
Besides, being the strongest swordsman, means he is the strongest swordman, including shanks.
It doesnt mean hes the strongest overall though, i agree on that.

As for people who think shanks isnt a swordman, should explain their own theory why he isnt a swordman anymore?
Its not like he ate a devilfruit, and haki can be imbued into swords.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-56928-14/one-piece/chapter-597.html
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2623-6/one-piece/chapter-516.html

Reason why im sure why hes a swordman.
1. Shanks flag contain sword
2. Shanks in one piece games, is a swordman
3. Shanks is Always seen with a sword
4. shanks clashed with WB with a sword
5. Shanks blocked magma fist, with a sword.
6. Shanks was mihawks former rival.

 

[Impossibility]

This debate is pointless. There are those that have decided that the title given to Mihawk is somehow the most meaningful thing to ever have been put forth, and apparently nothing is going t dissuade them from spurious conclusions. These claims obviously have to wilfully disregard his showings and how he has compared to others, WB captains in particular. This also requires some to ignore the greater context of the manga. Suffice it to say, Mihawk holds the title of the strongest swordsman, but from what we've seen, that title means very little when he hasn't put much behind it.

 

[ikuroi]

Shanks is a swordsman , but he does have impressive Haki, did you know Haki can be used to imbue swords?

So what is your point?

In a all-out-fight between shanks and mihawk, shanks will still lose, even with his monster haki.
Thats how strong mihawk is, and why he has the title of strongest swordsman, and also why hes the ultimate goal for zoro ever since the beginning.
It aint shanks that zoro wants to beat, its mihawk.

So in an all-out-fight(brawl) he will still loose? Why? Last time I READ the manga strongest swordsman =/= strongest person.

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2341-12/one-piece/chapter-234.html

We haven't seen Shanks fight yet, just defend. SO if you base all his abilty based on that. Go ahead.

Sure Shanks hes very strong and is a younko and is very respected, however he still will lose from mihawk combat wise 1 on 1.

Don't see your point.

Story wise Mihawk should be as strong or stronger then most of the younko, because hes zoro's final goal.

No you're wrong. That's no indications for him beating or being stronger than most of the yonkous. Zoro is aiming for the swordsman top, not the seat of the strongest person.

Besides, being the strongest swordsman, means he is the strongest swordman, including shanks.
It doesnt mean hes the strongest overall though, i agree on that.

Well if Shanks only fights with swords.. which we don't know. We haven't seen him fight, only defend with his sword. Until I or we see him fight we can't make that conclusion.

As for people who think shanks isnt a swordman, should explain their own theory why he isnt a swordman anymore?
Its not like he ate a devilfruit, and haki can be imbued into swords.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-56928-14/one-piece/chapter-597.html
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2623-6/one-piece/chapter-516.html

I'm not denying he can fight with swords, but who says that's all he amounts to? Or that he hasn't eaten a fruit? Your just to hasty with your assumptions.

Whitebeard fought with his bisentō but he fought much without. So there isn't any room for fighters to be able to fight with a weapon and their body or ability (by your logic)? Like WB or Rayleigh?

Reason why im sure why hes a swordman.
1. Shanks flag contain sword
2. Shanks in one piece games, is a swordman
3. Shanks is Always seen with a sword
4. shanks clashed with WB with a sword
5. Shanks blocked magma fist, with a sword.
6. Shanks was mihawks former rival.

1. Pirate flags, usually contain bones or swords. It's just a typical pirate flag. Which might give away that he fights with swords.. or sword or with more than just that perhaps?
2. Non-canon, next please.
3. WB is always seen with a bisentō, doesnt make him a pure spear/naginata fighter. No?
4. True, and whitebeard with a bisentō.
5. I guess it's a smarter choice than stopping it with a haki imbued fist?
6. Guess that makes him a very good swordsman.


To be honest, im astonished.. that people claim that Shanks is a pure swordsman after we've seen him so little. For example I don't think Roger only fought with a sword just because we've seen him with a sword. Same goes for WB, Rayleigh, Smoker etc etc

 

[MBVC]

What makes you say this is the truth? an unknown superstrong swordman nobody knows about? xD

Similar to the new one just popped up and joined BB crew, that jailer, anyway you misunderstood my post. It's the truth about the tittle which Zoro wants, but great people like Shanks doesnt give a damn about being one of the Yonkou, he only wants adventures, rums, ales etc....


Most tittles are given by people who admire strong fighters, nobody has any copy right owning them.

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To be honest, im astonished.. that people claim that Shanks is a pure swordsman after we've seen him so little. For example I don't think Roger only fought with a sword just because we've seen him with a sword. Same goes for WB, Rayleigh, Smoker etc etc

I think both Roger and BB used hand guns somewhere (can't remember the chapter #)


From my point of view only, in term of pure sword skills then Mihawk >>> Shanks but when it comes to haki then it's the other way around, because I don't think Hawkeye could beat Shanks in general. If Mihawk is hyper strong then why did he join shichibukai? Truly a strong person don't work for any organization but himself. If Hawkeye >> all Yonkou in 1-1 battle then why the WG didn't ask him to erase all of them with some help from the admirals for cleaning up Yonkou's crew members and alliances?

 

[TheLuffySmile]

^ Shiryu was a feared jailer of Impel Down, he was not some unknown nobody until he decided to join BB's crew.

 

[MBVC]

He's still unknown to those outside pirates who aren't in jail

Anyway, it seems like Hawkeye vs Shanks debate is going to last for a long long period of time in the future.

That monk at the top WG food chain is also a fighter I guess, but not many people know about his skills, similar to some marines officers never saw Sengoku true form.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

^ How can you be so sure that people don't know about him? Since he was a head jailer together with Magellan, and Magellan is famous for his strength, I suspect people know of Shiryu as well.

 

[MBVC]

Lol, we just switched from Hawkeye to Shiryu.

Well, all prisoners do know him, but I wonder how his name can reach out to those pirates who aren't in GL or in 1st part of GL.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

^ Probably by newspapers and such! and people coming back from the GL with stories perhaps?

 

[DutchPhoenix]

So what is your point?



So in an all-out-fight(brawl) he will still loose? Why? Last time I READ the manga strongest swordsman =/= strongest person.

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2341-12/one-piece/chapter-234.html

We haven't seen Shanks fight yet, just defend. SO if you base all his abilty based on that. Go ahead.



Don't see your point.



No you're wrong. That's no indications for him beating or being stronger than most of the yonkous. Zoro is aiming for the swordsman top, not the seat of the strongest person.



Well if Shanks only fights with swords.. which we don't know. We haven't seen him fight, only defend with his sword. Until I or we see him fight we can't make that conclusion.




I'm not denying he can fight with swords, but who says that's all he amounts to? Or that he hasn't eaten a fruit? Your just to hasty with your assumptions.

Whitebeard fought with his bisentō but he fought much without. So there isn't any room for fighters to be able to fight with a weapon and their body or ability (by your logic)? Like WB or Rayleigh?



1. Pirate flags, usually contain bones or swords. It's just a typical pirate flag. Which might give away that he fights with swords.. or sword or with more than just that perhaps?
2. Non-canon, next please.
3. WB is always seen with a bisentō, doesnt make him a pure spear/naginata fighter. No?
4. True, and whitebeard with a bisentō.
5. I guess it's a smarter choice than stopping it with a haki imbued fist?
6. Guess that makes him a very good swordsman.


To be honest, im astonished.. that people claim that Shanks is a pure swordsman after we've seen him so little. For example I don't think Roger only fought with a sword just because we've seen him with a sword. Same goes for WB, Rayleigh, Smoker etc etc

alright, so you think that shanks isnt a swordsman, thats fine.
So what fighting style is shanks adapted on then?
Will he go around punching his enemies with his one remaining arm? :')
Or will he slap everyone with his feet?
Or perhaps haki imbued spit people to death.

 

[ikuroi]

alright, so you think that shanks isnt a swordsman, thats fine.
So what fighting style is shanks adapted on then?
Will he go around punching his enemies with his one remaining arm? :')
Or will he slap everyone with his feet?
Or perhaps haki imbued spit people to death.

Don't know. But he has enough strength to be a yonkou, or go toe to toe with, WB, Akainu and Mihawk (or at least did by some ppls assumptions).

Just keep on reading the manga and you will find out.

 

[HereNThere]

Lol, we just switched from Hawkeye to Shiryu.

Well, all prisoners do know him, but I wonder how his name can reach out to those pirates who aren't in GL or in 1st part of GL.

Seeing as how Impel Down is the jail in One Piece, I would assume that the Jailers would be rather infamous to the pirates as much as the prison itself. And seeing as how Shiryu is said to have strength comparable to Magellan, I'm sure his name would come up as well. I'm sure pirates would want to be aware of the people strong enough to keep legends like Ace, Crocoboy, Jinbe, and other infamous powerhouses in check.

And if Shiryu is as skilled a swordsman as we think, I'm sure Mihawk will know his name similar to how he knew Vista's.

 

[MBVC]

" There is no way that someone of Mihawk-lvl strength is just out there somewhere in a small village cutting onions."


Well, Shiryu almost rotted inside his cell.

Anyway, this debate goes like the way of the Mobius strip, with Shanks' fans vs Mihawk's fans argue until Oda shows us what we want and maybe more hopefully.

My answer to this topic is that Hawkeye is around the admiral level which is below Kong, Garp and Sengoku who fought kinda evenly with any yonkou I guess.

I really wonder why Hawkeye joined the WG; because unlike DD, he doesn't need anything from the WG, his reason is indeed intriguing. If he joined the WG just to get info for Shanks then I'll either or not sure which one though.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

^ Yeah he almost rotted in his cell, after being an infamous Head Jailer of Impel Down. Being put there for slaughtering countless prisoners for joy. Biiiig difference from some dude sittin by his house cutting onions.