Discussion Mihawk's Power Level

[Schabrak]

Shanks is a swordsman , but he does have impressive Haki, did you know Haki can be used to imbue swords?
In a all-out-fight between shanks and mihawk, shanks will still lose, even with his monster haki.
Thats how strong mihawk is, and why he has the title of strongest swordsman, and also why hes the ultimate goal for zoro ever since the beginning.
It aint shanks that zoro wants to beat, its mihawk.

Sure Shanks hes very strong and is a younko and is very respected, however he still will lose from mihawk combat wise 1 on 1.

Story wise Mihawk should be as strong or stronger then most of the younko, because hes zoro's final goal.
Besides, being the strongest swordsman, means he is the strongest swordman, including shanks.
It doesnt mean hes the strongest overall though, i agree on that.

As for people who think shanks isnt a swordman, should explain their own theory why he isnt a swordman anymore?

Are you implying that Mihawk, the most feared swordsman around the world, can't imbued his sword with haki too?

A claim based on nothing but your imagination.

Stop making claims you can't back up at all.

When Luffy becomes PK, Zoro will have fought all the good swordman and beat them turning him into a contender for greatest swordsman, if he hasn't clashed with Mihawk by that time already. It doesn't say anything about him being weaker/stronger than the four mightiest pirates alive.

People mean he doesn't go around boasting and looking for a fight with other swordsman, of course he is still a swordsman and so are 1/3 or more of the whole fighting cast in OP. There are no axeman or spearman, those are all swordsman.

Wano Kuni is a country filled with swordsman, BB has strong swordsman in his crew, Marines have strong swordsman, Kirazu is one of these, Kaidou and Big Mam will have some of the best swordsman of the world too. There are countless swordsman to fight, all strong, all not easy matches for Mihawk or Zoro.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

i didnt said that mihawk cant put haki in his sword...

 

[Schabrak]

You mentioned that Shanks can as if that's something special for the top echelon of fighters in the OP world. Than it's followed up by that sentence that's not based on anything the manga has shown.

The strongest human alive at that time has clashed swords evenly, even if only for a second, with Shanks. Making him lose in every fight against Mihawk is not even reaching, that's pure fan fiction. How do you imagine someone could take that opinion seriously?

 

[7pac]

You mentioned that Shanks can as if that's something special for the top echelon of fighters in the OP world. Than it's followed up by that sentence that's not based on anything the manga has shown.

The strongest human alive at that time has clashed swords evenly, even if only for a second, with Shanks. Making him lose in every fight against Mihawk is not even reaching, that's pure fan fiction. How do you imagine someone could take that opinion seriously?

I don't know who said that, but I started this mihawk debate with eefrit.
What I was suggesting is merely that Mihawk is currently at the same level with shanks, not stronger not weaker. What others didn't like in my statement is the fact that basically mihawk is yonkou level.

 

[Ninomiya]

I don't know who said that, but I started this mihawk debate with eefrit.
What I was suggesting is merely that Mihawk is currently at the same level with shanks, not stronger not weaker. What others didn't like in my statement is the fact that basically mihawk is yonkou level.

I see. I would say I agree with your viewpoint on Mihawk. I think its a bit too far to say either is stronger due to the lack of evidence and the way Shanks has been extremely hyped.
It would be weird if Mihawk was superior to a Yonkou considering in the war, Whitebeard didn't give two shits about him.
Whitebeard looked at Mihawk with the same look he gave Shanks/Aokiji/Akainu etc.

I reckon Mihawk and Shanks are the same level.

 

[HereNThere]

I don't know who said that, but I started this mihawk debate with eefrit.
What I was suggesting is merely that Mihawk is currently at the same level with shanks, not stronger not weaker. What others didn't like in my statement is the fact that basically mihawk is yonkou level.

Earlier in the thread you mentioned this

Now back to Mihawk.
IMO, but im 100% sure oda will show it. Mihawk > Admirals(Some)
Mihawk > Shanks.

The majority of your post on this topic don't come across like you actually believe that the two are equal. It seemed as if you were more biased towards Mihawk. And in the Yonkou thread, you argued that since Mihawk has the title of the Strongest Swordsman in the World, and Shanks and Rayleigh are swordsman, that makes Mihawk stronger than them because they don't have the title. Most of the people arguing against both you and DutchPhoenix believe they are equal. Since this thread has been bumped, no one except DutchPhoenix believes that one is superior to the other. I am and always have been in the "they are equal" camp. Which would indeed make Mihawk as strong as a Yonkou.

 

[7pac]

Earlier in the thread you mentioned this



The majority of your post on this topic don't come across like you actually believe that the two are equal. It seemed as if you were more biased towards Mihawk. And in the Yonkou thread, you argued that since Mihawk has the title of the Strongest Swordsman in the World, and Shanks and Rayleigh are swordsman, that makes Mihawk stronger than them because they don't have the title. Most of the people arguing against both you and DutchPhoenix believe they are equal. Since this thread has been bumped, no one except DutchPhoenix believes that one is superior to the other. I am and always have been in the "they are equal" camp. Which would indeed make Mihawk as strong as a Yonkou.

I admit I was a bit more leaning towards mihawk being stronger. I however re-read all of shanks appearances in the manga, and mihawks, What I came to believe is what other people mentioned in the thread, as the fact that mihawk is the better swordsman, but not necessarily better in an overall fight. I also admit I like mihawk a lot, partly because most people love shanks, and lol I do to, he's awesome, but it's a letdown for mihawk, who in my opinin is an awesome character to explore.
I kinda conviced myself that mihawk is stronger because of the fact he stopped dueling with shanks. Thought plot wise it would be weird if mihawk ended up being stronger. This little thing came to mind. In italian it means. " Don't Argue to be Right, Argue to Understand" Which is fair enough. Sorry Eefrit.

 

[HereNThere]

No need to apologize, it's all good. I'm rather fond of Mihawk as well. I think he's badass! There is no reason for me to think he isn't. That's also a good saying you posted. Now let's have a drink!

 

[Deus Machina]

Mihawk is not stronger than the Admirals. Yes he is at admiral level no doubt but not strong enough to beat them. People should not use his duel as Shanks to justify this. Mihawk had the skill and technique to take on Shanks as a swordsman. In a battle against the admirals he losses at high difficult or more.

 

[Schabrak]

And you justify opinion with what exactly? Your imagination only is seems.

 

[Deus Machina]

Marineford for one gave an indication of how strong the admirals were and there is nothing to suggest that Mihawk has the firepower to beat the admirals in a battle.

 

[Schabrak]

Mihawk gave an indication of how strong some of his "air" slashes are and there is nothing to suggest that the admirals couldn't be sliced into a million pieces with a haki induced attack from Dracule, leaving them crippled or dead on the floor.

I asked what you were basing it on, you didn't provide a single good argument/example though. Mihawk hiding his true power still is a clear indication that he is a monster of monsters, similar to Garp, who was held back talking about killing Akainu right then and there.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Mihawk is not stronger than the Admirals. Yes he is at admiral level no doubt but not strong enough to beat them. People should not use his duel as Shanks to justify this. Mihawk had the skill and technique to take on Shanks as a swordsman. In a battle against the admirals he losses at high difficult or more.

Since mihawk is stronger then shanks is, ur saying shanks cant beat admirals either.

 

[kkck]

Well, at this point it is all speculation although I still would make the point that mihawk being beneath the admirals would make little sense plotwise. MIhawk remains zoro's goal as far as we know so his strength has to be considerably above current zoro for that to remain a valid plot point (which as far as I know it still is). So the question is, do luffy, zoro and even sanji have to beat the admirals at some point? Probably yes, not in the immediate future, but yes. Zoro is pretty much the equivalent to Rayleigh in the strawhats and even then we saw Rayleigh as an old man going up against kizaru which is quite something if we consider kizaru is not that old and probably way closer to his prime than Rayleigh was. If zoro at any point matches Rayleigh in his prime then odds are he will be well stronger than an admiral himself.... How would mihawk compare to Rayleigh from 2 years ago? If mihawk is merely a match for the guy then it is already enough for him to be a match to an admiral. If mihawk is stronger than rayleigh was two years ago then he would be more than a match to an admiral. Considering mihawk was at some point a rival to shanks and his future role in the story I would argue mihawk is in a position where he should be at least as strong as an admiral.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

you know if it wasnt for roger, rayleigh would have been the pirate king at his prime, hence the title dark king.
and since zoro is like rayleigh for luffy, and luffy will eventually be stronger then prime roger, safe to assume zoro will surpass prime rayleigh

 

[llaubacher]

Oh, made me laugh, seriously.

Mihawk in Marineford never actually showed what he is capable of. Only thing he kept on sending out were some cute lil air slashes. Tried the distance between him and Whitebeard, split the iceberg, played with Luffy. But he never actually did anything in madness or seriousness, did he? I for one think that he's the only Shichibukai capable of madafakin beating the Admirals. He's even with them, or! he is above them.

Silvers Rayleigh was the best swordsman of Roger's era, I suppose. Mihawk is of this. And so Zoro shall be of the upcoming one.
Can you imagine world's strongest swordsman under Admirals? Oh come on, he should be able to give trouble to Yonkou. Only difference between his title and Yonkou title is that Yonkou usually have mega big ass crews and allies, wheres the strongest swordsman seems to be only person at the moment. (Rayleigh was in Roger's crew and Zoro is in Luffy's, I admit that.) But their goal was, is and will be to be best swordsman, not a man conquering part of the New World. Power-wisely the same for me.

Mr. Ototo would be cut in piece by Mihawk, though Mihawk would suffer serious injuries, can't even be otherwise.

 

[HereNThere]

Marineford for one gave an indication of how strong the admirals were and there is nothing to suggest that Mihawk has the firepower to beat the admirals in a battle.

Not really. Punk Hazard gave us an indication of how strong the Admirals potentially are. Marineford was just a sample buffet of how strong the veteran fighters are. Knowing what we know now about Punk Hazard and the now prevalent haki, we can assume that Oda held those characters back. Mihawk included.

That being said, I definitely don't see Mihawk being terribly superior to an Admiral or any of the Yonkou. As I've said time and time again he is most definitely equal to them. Well, Sakazuki, Kuzan, and Borsalino at least. It'd be rather lame if no one in the One Piece world could stand up to Mihawk.

 

[Deus Machina]

I cannot reply individually to you so before I will construct my points.
Shanks has been demonstrated to have on of the best haki of all active fighters in the universe. We know that Mihawk sort out Shanks who is not an atypical swordsman which proves that Shanks reputation on the sword was great. However unlike Mihawk Shanks has the advantage of haki. He can use KH to dodge moves and his stronger BH allows him to take on the future WSS slashes. The two had duels which means that either matches would have gone to either one.

This is why I said as a swordsman = Mihawk > Shanks and in power due to beastly haki Shanks > Mihawk. There is nothing to suggest that Miahwk has the firepower to beat admirals. The WB war showed the arsenal of Ads and it should be taken into account that they did not go all out. Kizaru did nothing and Inu is supposedly stronger while Aoikji was playing puppet with Jozu. I did not point PH as we did not see the actual fight but since you pointed it out fine.
I dare ask those who claim Mihawk is stronger than Admirals to provide proof. BTW how long ago was it when Shanks and Mihawk duelled? That's right around 12 years ago before the man lost his hand.

Are you telling me Shanks is as strong now as he was when he was 27 and did not get even stronger than he was?

 

[DutchPhoenix]

I cannot reply individually to you so before I will construct my points.
Shanks has been demonstrated to have on of the best haki of all active fighters in the universe. We know that Mihawk sort out Shanks who is not an atypical swordsman which proves that Shanks reputation on the sword was great. However unlike Mihawk Shanks has the advantage of haki. He can use KH to dodge moves and his stronger BH allows him to take on the future WSS slashes. The two had duels which means that either matches would have gone to either one.

This is why I said as a swordsman = Mihawk > Shanks and in power due to beastly haki Shanks > Mihawk. There is nothing to suggest that Miahwk has the firepower to beat admirals. The WB war showed the arsenal of Ads and it should be taken into account that they did not go all out. Kizaru did nothing and Inu is supposedly stronger while Aoikji was playing puppet with Jozu. I did not point PH as we did not see the actual fight but since you pointed it out fine.
I dare ask those who claim Mihawk is stronger than Admirals to provide proof. BTW how long ago was it when Shanks and Mihawk duelled? That's right around 12 years ago before the man lost his hand.

Are you telling me Shanks is as strong now as he was when he was 27 and did not get even stronger than he was?

You really think shanks isnt a swordsman just because mihawk has the title worlds most powerfull swordman?

 

[kkck]

I cannot reply individually to you so before I will construct my points.
Shanks has been demonstrated to have on of the best haki of all active fighters in the universe. We know that Mihawk sort out Shanks who is not an atypical swordsman which proves that Shanks reputation on the sword was great. However unlike Mihawk Shanks has the advantage of haki. He can use KH to dodge moves and his stronger BH allows him to take on the future WSS slashes. The two had duels which means that either matches would have gone to either one.

This is why I said as a swordsman = Mihawk > Shanks and in power due to beastly haki Shanks > Mihawk. There is nothing to suggest that Miahwk has the firepower to beat admirals. The WB war showed the arsenal of Ads and it should be taken into account that they did not go all out. Kizaru did nothing and Inu is supposedly stronger while Aoikji was playing puppet with Jozu. I did not point PH as we did not see the actual fight but since you pointed it out fine.
I dare ask those who claim Mihawk is stronger than Admirals to provide proof. BTW how long ago was it when Shanks and Mihawk duelled? That's right around 12 years ago before the man lost his hand.

Are you telling me Shanks is as strong now as he was when he was 27 and did not get even stronger than he was?

We don't even know if shanks has a haki advantage. Shanks is without a doubt a powerful haki user and oda has made the point that shanks has very strong conqueror's haki however non of that is by any means an indication of mihawk's haki prowess (although it is a pretty safe bet that mihawk himself is a pretty exceptional haki user). Without a doubt mihawk has at least mastery over observation and armor haki, whether he has the kings disposition and how his haki prowess compares to shanks remains to be seen. Shanks could have gotten stronger but the thing is, so could mihawk. Mihawk simply took a different route than shanks.

You are right but the thing goes both ways, you can't proof shanks is the stronger one either. Hence why I go with context and comparisons with the roles with other characters. Being zoro's ultimate goal, Rayleigh's strength and the amount of power the monster trio should have by the time they reach their potential are IMO indications that Mihawk should be at least comparable to the top dogs around. I mean, what good would zoro be if his ultimate goal as second only to the pirate king was to defeat some guy who could not even match an admiral? Or WB's main commanders? Rayleigh as a weakened old man was at least a match for kizaru, who knows what he could have done in his prime....