Discussion Mihawk's Power Level

[Schabrak]

Sorry, but are you reading a different manga from everybody else?

I cannot reply individually to you so before I will construct my points.
Shanks has been demonstrated to have on of the best haki of all active fighters in the universe. We know that Mihawk sort out Shanks who is not an atypical swordsman which proves that Shanks reputation on the sword was great.

Yeah every single reader knows that the Yonkou fighting with a sword and having duells with the Mihawk in the past is a good swordsman himself. That's no argument for/against Mihawk still, none, whatsoever.

However unlike Mihawk Shanks has the advantage of haki.

Again, how would you know that if Mihawk didn't even have to use haki once until now? Be fucking sure that he is a monstrous haki user as well or he wouldn't be the most feared pirate without a crew in the whole world, he wouldn't be known as the Greatest Swordsman in the World, if he wasn't capable of fighting other end game haki combatants/swordsmen. Has that infiltrate into your mind yet?

He can use KH to dodge moves and his stronger BH allows him to take on the future WSS slashes. The two had duels which means that either matches would have gone to either one.

What does this have to do with anything?

There is nothing to suggest that Miahwk has the firepower to beat admirals.

...there is nothing to suggest that the admirals couldn't be sliced into a million pieces with a haki induced attack from Dracule, leaving them crippled or dead on the floor.

See what I did here? I pointed out that we know nothing about his full capabilities, so neither you or I have made an argument for any party here. But wait, we have. We know that Mihawk is the final enemy of Zoro most likely, who holds his most desired position in the world, at the top of the swordsmen. We know that Mihawk hasn't fought using all of his skills even once during all his panel time in the manga, he simply never did release strong attacks in close combat and he never did openly use haki attacks to attack a Devil Fruit user. All that hints to him having an unlimited potential yet, something only reached by other Yonkou, who haven't been shown fighting to the end too. We have seen Akainu go wild, we have seen him bloodthirsty rampaging through the remaining WB members, we have seen him rain down magma from above on the whole bay, we have seen him give his all again Newgate. We have seen his limits fighting against the at the time ill, yet most powerful/strongest man of the world and get quake slapped into the Earth's crust.

The WB war showed the arsenal of Ads and it should be taken into account that they did not go all out. Kizaru did nothing and Inu is supposedly stronger while Aoikji was playing puppet with Jozu.

Admirals and the top WB commanders were shown to be pretty equal until they were all distracted by their father.

I dare ask those who claim Mihawk is stronger than Admirals to provide proof.

I dare of you to do the same for the argument of Admirals vs Mihawk. Please be so nice and don't ask for things you can't provide yourself.

BTW how long ago was it when Shanks and Mihawk duelled? That's right around 12 years ago before the man lost his hand.
Are you telling me Shanks is as strong now as he was when he was 27 and did not get even stronger than he was?

As before, what does this have to do with anything?
Are you telling me Dracule is as strong now as he was when he was 31 and did not get even stronger than he was before?

everyone knows shanks is a swordsman, however he doesnt hold the title of the strongest swordsman.

I think "Most Powerful" or "Greatest" is the better translation.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

everyone knows shanks is a swordsman, however he doesnt hold the title of the strongest swordsman.

 

[M3J]

I cannot reply individually to you so before I will construct my points.
Shanks has been demonstrated to have on of the best haki of all active fighters in the universe. We know that Mihawk sort out Shanks who is not an atypical swordsman which proves that Shanks reputation on the sword was great. However unlike Mihawk Shanks has the advantage of haki. He can use KH to dodge moves and his stronger BH allows him to take on the future WSS slashes. The two had duels which means that either matches would have gone to either one.

This is why I said as a swordsman = Mihawk > Shanks and in power due to beastly haki Shanks > Mihawk. There is nothing to suggest that Miahwk has the firepower to beat admirals. The WB war showed the arsenal of Ads and it should be taken into account that they did not go all out. Kizaru did nothing and Inu is supposedly stronger while Aoikji was playing puppet with Jozu. I did not point PH as we did not see the actual fight but since you pointed it out fine.
I dare ask those who claim Mihawk is stronger than Admirals to provide proof. BTW how long ago was it when Shanks and Mihawk duelled? That's right around 12 years ago before the man lost his hand.

Are you telling me Shanks is as strong now as he was when he was 27 and did not get even stronger than he was?

I enjoyed this fan fiction.

I also dare ask you to provide proof that Mihawk ISN'T stronger than the admirals or at least, one of them. I don't recall anything that implies Mihawk or the admirals/an admiral is stronger.

everyone knows shanks is a swordsman, however he doesnt hold the title of the strongest swordsman.

Haven't they tied in power though?

 

[DutchPhoenix]

they did untill shanks lost an arm, currently mihawk holds the title of strongest swordsman alive stated by oda.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

they did untill shanks lost an arm, currently mihawk holds the title of strongest swordsman alive stated by oda.

Oda also stated that Shanks' power didn't decrease after losing an arm.

 

[HereNThere]

Oda also stated that Shanks' power didn't decrease after losing an arm.

Yep. For all we know, Shanks could very well be a contender for the title of World's Greatest Swordsman, but because Mihawk doesn't want to fight a one armed man, they'll never get to prove who is the better swordsman.

 

[Deus Machina]

You really think shanks isnt a swordsman just because mihawk has the title worlds most powerfull swordman?

The whole Shanks Mihawk scenario is like that of Zoro & Law. Roronoa Zoro is the better swordsman as he has the skill and power. However Law has finesse and the advantage of his DF ability and all it's haxed glory. When it comes to overall power he edges Zoro.

The same with Shanks & Mihawk. However instead of OpeOpe Shanks has haki. Shanks has had an entire decade to grow in power. OP people hit thre primes at 35 and maintain this if not grow further.Shanks is stronger than Mihawk but the latter is the better swordsman.

At the rest of the forum. While. I may lack proof of my statements I am using logic to construct my points. Show me where you got the idea that Mihawk is stronger than an admiral. Based on a twelve year fight? I also said Shanks edges. Mihawk in haki. That does not mean that Mihawk has none. The admirals have more going for the offensively they can use haki have the advantage of their fruits and rokushiki. All Mihawk has shown is a slash and that makes him above top tier?

People above Ads have been some of Rodger generation and from the current one Shanks has proved that he is slightly above them. I dare say the Yonkos are equal to them and the other top tiers are slightly below them. Shanks has been hinted to be a haki beast as per the extent of his HH. What about Mihawk?

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Both shanks and mihawk have haki and shanks doesnt have a DF

Even if shanks didnt get weaker by losing an arm, his growth rate must have been less then it was capable off.

Both shanks and mihawk are known swordsman, but shanks is not stronger then mihawk, even if he is an emperor of has very strong kings haki.
We dont know how shanks other 2 haki types will hold up against those of mihawk.
If mihawk wasnt stronger, oda would have given shanks the title, but he didnt.
So even if you think shanks is cooler, you cannot denie the fact that the writer of this manga made mihawk the stronger one simply by giving the title.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

Another thing. Mihawk's blade has a hilt made for two-handed combat, whilst Shanks' is a sabre, made for one-handed combat.

So I actually doubt that his growth rate was stunted at all.

 

[Schabrak]

Shanks lost his main sword hand if you look at the position of the sheath.

 

[Kaiten]

Shanks is a Yonkou, one of the four most powerful pirates in the New World. Even Sengoku spoke to him with respect, despite Shanks being a pirate. His arrival marked the end of the War. None of the combatants seemed interested in fighting another Yonkou. I doubt Shanks "growth rate" was stunted, due to his handicap.

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Being a better swordsman does not make Mihawk stronger. All it means is that Mihawk is more skilled at one particular specialty. Saying swordsmanship along makes Mihawk stronger is akin to saying Newton was a superior scientist than only because he was better at math. That would be true (Newton developed calculus, Einstein needed help with Non-Euclidean geometry from his old professor when writing General Relativity), but it would also ignore all of their other skills and accomplishments. If Mihawk is stronger based on his superior skill as a swordsman, that implies his swordsmanship is not only stronger than Shank's swordsmanship, it is stronger than all of Shanks abilities.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

SO if shanks fighting style isnt swordfight, then what does he do? brawler with 1 arm? lolol

 

[TheLuffySmile]

Shanks lost his main sword hand if you look at the position of the sheath.

So? Oda still stated that Shanks didn't lose any power at all. Even if he lost his main arm.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

So? Oda still stated that Shanks didn't lose any power at all. Even if he lost his main arm.

true, but its fair to assume his growth rate has been slowed down, since its logic that he'd be even stronger today if he had both arms

for sample a powerscale

from 1 too 100

shanks had a power of 75 when he had both arms
mihawk had a power of 75

shanks lost an arm, however he became stronger and has a power of 90
mihawk became stronger and has a power of 99
Shanks could have a power of 100 if he didnt lose an arm.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

true, but its fair to assume his growth rate has been slowed down, since its logic that he'd be even stronger today if he had both arms

for sample a powerscale

from 1 too 100

shanks had a power of 75 when he had both arms
mihawk had a power of 75

shanks lost an arm, however he became stronger and has a power of 90
mihawk became stronger and has a power of 99
Shanks could have a power of 100 if he didnt lose an arm.

That's a completely baseless argument. Powerscaling is pretty much always irrelevant in OP since there are so many factors to weigh in. And why is it fair to assume that? Shanks only uses a one-hand swordstyle, and along with Oda's statement, nothing has given me the impression of Shanks being weakened in any way by the loss of his arm.

 

[Kaiten]

SO if shanks fighting style isnt swordfight, then what does he do? brawler with 1 arm? lolol

Even with only one arm he was able to parry a blow from Whitebeard. He also was able to block Akainu's fist, mid-strike, with his logia ability activated. Just because Shanks has been shown using a sword, that does not mean he is primarily a swordsman. Shanks has not been shown fighting for more than a panel, or two, at a time. His actual combat style is still a secret. He has been shown as a masterful haki user, both armament and conquerors. There is almost no chance that Shanks is totally reliant on swordplay. It probably is merely one part of his arsenal. He is a Yonkou, shown to be roughly equal in strength to Whitebeard and Akainu. Mihawk most likely is not on that level. If he is, it has never been hinted in the manga. Furthermore, he and Shanks are on friendly terms. They may have fought in the past, but it is unlikely they will ever fight again.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

shanks fighting style isnt a secret, hes a swordsman.

 

[Schabrak]

If he was having equal duells with Mihawk in the past he definitely is a swordsman, it's not like Oda is hiding it by letting him always use a sword and keeping his past with Dracule in mind. Maybe Zoro isn't a swordsman too, he sometimes uses the palm of his hand to crush skulls too. He's secretly a skullcrushingman. :P

That's a completely baseless argument. Powerscaling is pretty much always irrelevant in OP since there are so many factors to weigh in. And why is it fair to assume that? Shanks only uses a one-hand swordstyle, and along with Oda's statement, nothing has given me the impression of Shanks being weakened in any way by the loss of his arm.

In her defense, she wrote for example so those aren't direct values and losing the main hand can be highly important, like it or not, OP is that realistic still.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

If he was having equal duells with Mihawk in the past he definitely is a swordsman, it's not like Oda is hiding it by letting him always use a sword and keeping his past with Dracule in mind. Maybe Zoro isn't a swordsman too, he sometimes uses the palm of his hand to crush skulls too. He's secretly a skullcrushingman. :P


In her defense, she wrote for example so those aren't direct values and losing the main hand can be highly important, like it or not, OP is that realistic still.

Yes, it can be highly important. But since Oda himself stated that it did not decrease Shanks' power even the slightest is proof enough for me. He is just as strong as he would have been with both arms.

 

[M3J]

Nothing implies Mihawk is stronger or weaker than the admirals. He and Shanks rivaled each other in swordsmanship, but that was ages ago. Mihawk is likely stronger but he can still be beaten by Shanks. It doesn't look like Mihawk has an ambition to become the pirate king, he only wants to be the best swordsman. There's still a chance he could beat an admiral. Just as Shanks power is unknown, so is Mihawk's. Even Luffy was unable to do anything to Mihawk, who didn't have a devil fruit power or seemed to use haki for defense.