Conditional Mirajane vs Ajeel

[Ramen]

He didn't get his ass kicked as he provided a hugh diff battle in a 2v1 and the guy he faced was immune to his attacks. Same guy can hit harder than Demo-fist. Ajeel is far stronger than you guys give him credit.

He couldn't stand. That's getting your ass kicked. Come on, do you really believe Lisanna contributed that much to the actual fight?
Elfman grew during the 1 year gap, during Alvarez he was no where near a Demo-Fist. His feats now don't prove anything from 792.
He gets the credit he deserves, he's in the lower half of the spriggan list.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 26, 2020, Original Post Date: Jan 26, 2020 ---

Alvarez: Ajeel
100 yr: Mira most likely. Depending on the Gray fight, then I'll make a proper decision.

 

[Jko]

He couldn't stand. That's getting your ass kicked. Come on, do you really believe Lisanna contributed that much to the actual fight?
Elfman grew during the 1 year gap, during Alvarez he was no where near a Demo-Fist. His feats now don't prove anything from 792.
He gets the credit he deserves, he's in the lower half of the spriggan list.

Bcs he got beat duh. Giving a high tier fight is not getting your ass kicked. Neinheart got his ass kicked bcs he did nothing to Natsu. She did otherwise Elf would have been sunked two seconds into the fight. She is also comparable to Stardress Lucy in power.

It was never stated he trained within this 1 year gap and it is clear that the power up came from the x792 ts as he went from mid tier to high tier in the guild. He was also stated to heavily train between Alvarez and Tartarus. His feats to date are proving what he did in Alvarez wasn't a fluke. Not that he has gotten stronger lmao.

No, he doesn't. People easily forget he stomped Erza in a 1v1 and was capable of easily overpowering DeS Gray's ice.

 

[Ramen]

Bcs he got beat duh. She did otherwise Elf would have been sunked to seconds into the fight. She is also comparable to Stardress Lucy in power.

It was never stated he trained within this 1 year gap and it is clear that the power up came from the x792 ts as he went from mid tier to high tier in the guild. His feats to date are proving what he did in Alvarez wasn't a fluke. Not that he has gotten stronger lmao.

No, he doesn't. People easily forget he stomped Erza in a 1v1 and was capable of easily overpowering DeS Gray's ice.

What?? Is it really hard to believe that in one year they didn't get stronger only because it doesn't blatantly say he did. He clearly did lol. Him being able to scratch someone who tanked a Demo-Fist now doesn't relate to his feats in Alvarez. His feats are better now because he's evolved as a mage.

Him overpowering one Ice-Make Silver when they were trying to escape barely means anything. He wasn't trying to fight back, just stalemate.
He is in the lower half, GS, Dimaria, Larcade, Irene, Invel, Wahl, and probably Brandish are all stronger than him.

He goes from stomping Erza to losing to Elfman and Lisanna.....a fodder and a mid tier.

 

[Jko]

What?? Is it really hard to believe that in one year they didn't get stronger only because it doesn't blatantly say he did. He clearly did lol. Him being able to scratch someone who tanked a Demo-Fist now doesn't relate to his feats in Alvarez. His feats are better now because he's evolved as a mage.

Him overpowering one Ice-Make Silver when they were trying to escape barely means anything. He wasn't trying to fight back, just stalemate.
He is in the lower half, GS, Dimaria, Larcade, Irene, Invel, Wahl, and probably Brandish are all stronger than him.

Bcs the only time FT gets really stronger is when they are stated to actually train. He has yet to do anything that he hasn't shown a year ago. None of them have. Laxus just got the power he obtain in Alvarez and Erza can use the power she was bestowed in Alvarez by Wendy. Everyone bar Lucy and Lisanna have shown a major improvement to what they had in Alvarez. Elfman has yet to show any noticeable improvements except prove that what he did in Alvarez wasn't a fluke. Since when did he evolve? Has he used something he was stated to never have before? Was he stated ever be stronger than his Alvarez incarnation? He has no statements of improvement and has shown nothing have the scope of what he has already previously shown. Him being this strong does relate to Alvarez feat as he has constantly been underestimated amongst the guild.

Except Gray was serious as he went his strongest mode to do it and when know Solver is one of his best moves as shown in the Skullion fight. Larcade stronger than Ajeel? Onky if he ain't a virgin lol. He is comparable to GS and actually has better feats lol. Invel and him are pretty much the same level just with different elements. Ajeel also forced Erza to use her strongest attack lol.

 

[Ramen]

Bcs the only time FT gets really stronger is when they are stated to actually train. He has yet to do anything that he hasn't shown a year ago. None of them have. Laxus just got the power he obtain in Alvarez and Erza can use the power she was bestowed in Alvarez by Wendy. Everyone bar Lucy and Lisanna have shown a major improvement to what they had in Alvarez. Elfman has yet to show any noticeable improvements except prove that what he did in Alvarez wasn't a fluke. Since when did he evolve? Has he used something he was stated to never have before? Was he stated ever be stronger than his Alvarez incarnation? He has no statements of improvement and has shown nothing have the scope of what he has already previously shown. Him being this strong does relate to Alvarez feat as he has constantly been underestimated amongst the guild.

Except Gray was serious as he went his strongest mode to do it and when know Solver is one of his best moves as shown in the Skullion fight. Larcade stronger than Ajeel? Onky if he ain't a virgin lol. He is comparable to GS and actually has better feats lol. Invel and him are pretty much the same level just with different elements. Ajeel also forced Erza to use her strongest attack lol.

Feats>>Statements. No he has never been underrated, amongst the guild and even during the Alvarez arc, Elfman has had feats that put him at a mid tier. Now he has better feats that put him higher. Madmole's tankiness is better than most spirggans by a lot, Elfman being able to scratch him with that against him is better than his Alvarez feats. During Alvarez, Elfman was a mid-tier and Lisanna was fodder and they still beat him up. Even Loke was surprised when he was summoned at Elfman's strength.

Did Erza use high enchant in Alvarez?

Gray used Silver so what? He has many stronger attacks that he didn't use against Ajeel. He didn't even use DeS spells against Ajeel and he didn't even try to go for a full on counter-attack.

Has Ajeel every slept before? Has Ajeel ever eaten before? GG Larcade wins. He doesn't have an elemental advantage and 2 mages to help him like Sting did.

GS has better feats. Beating up the 4 GOI without using magic and then doing it with magic effortlessly and pushing back team Natsu as a historia beats anything Ajeel does. Also, GS has two elemental advantages against him (Wind and Lightning).

Invel, hax easy. Nothing suggests he can break out of an Ice-Slave. Or he could probably insta-freeze since his Ice has the most potency in the series.

 

[Plutogrim]

Ajeel still take this med diff.

 

[Jko]

Feats>>Statements. No he has never been underrated, amongst the guild and even during the Alvarez arc, Elfman has had feats that put him at a mid tier. Now he has better feats that put him higher. Madmole's tankiness is better than most spirggans by a lot, Elfman being able to scratch him with that against him is better than his Alvarez feats. During Alvarez, Elfman was a mid-tier and Lisanna was fodder and they still beat him up. Even Loke was surprised when he was summoned at Elfman's strength.

Did Erza use high enchant in Alvarez?

Gray used Silver so what? He has many stronger attacks that he didn't use against Ajeel. He didn't even use DeS spells against Ajeel and he didn't even try to go for a full on counter-attack.

Has Ajeel every slept before? Has Ajeel ever eaten before? GG Larcade wins. He doesn't have an elemental advantage and 2 mages to help him like Sting did.

GS has better feats. Beating up the 4 GOI without using magic and then doing it with magic effortlessly and pushing back team Natsu as a historia beats anything Ajeel does. Also, GS has two elemental advantages against him (Wind and Lightning).

Invel, hax easy. Nothing suggests he can break out of an Ice-Slave. Or he could probably insta-freeze since his Ice has the most potency in the series.

He was heavily underestimate. Not even Loke thought Elf was this powerful. Not when feats are proving previous feats. Nothing Elf has down showed he grown over the last year. It is just proving the power he already had. It's not better than taking on a guy who was beating Erza badly. Ajeel > Alvarez Erza > Madmole. Loke never saw Elfman's fight against Ajeel which is why they are surprised in the first place.

Silver is a DeS spell and it was used while he was in DeS mode. Which moves are stronger than Silver? Full on counter for what? One of his best moves was easily countered.

Wendy bestowed her the power of DS sword which is what she uses currently.

His RIP couldn't even make an exhausted Rogue go to sleep lmao. Even if he is at an elemental disadvantage his stats shouldn't have overpowered by Base Sting who is far weaker than Elf. Hunger got easily overturn by a cat lol.

4 featless GOI and pushing back a team Natsu that wasn't even trying is more impressive than manhandling Erza and shrugging of DeS Gray??? When is lightning an elemental advantage? SW trumps GS AoE but a huge margin.

Can Ice Slave even touch him if he uses sand body or merges with ground? Ajeel can probably dry his ice out like he did Gray's. Ajeel has shown a counter to ice.

 

[atlantisreturns]

He was heavily underestimate. Not even Loke thought Elf was this powerful. Not when feats are proving previous feats. Nothing Elf has down showed he grown over the last year. It is just proving the power he already had. It's not better than taking on a guy who was beating Erza badly. Ajeel > Alvarez Erza > Madmole. Loke never saw Elfman's fight against Ajeel which is why they are surprised in the first place.

Silver is a DeS spell and it was used while he was in DeS mode. Which moves are stronger than Silver? Full on counter for what? One of his best moves was easily countered.

Wendy bestowed her the power of DS sword which is what she uses currently.

His RIP couldn't even make an exhausted Rogue go to sleep lmao. Even if he is at an elemental disadvantage his stats shouldn't have overpowered by Base Sting who is far weaker than Elf. Hunger got easily overturn by a cat lol.

4 featless GOI and pushing back a team Natsu that wasn't even trying is more impressive than manhandling Erza and shrugging of DeS Gray??? When is lightning an elemental advantage? SW trumps GS AoE but a huge margin.

Can Ice Slave even touch him if he uses sand body or merges with ground? Ajeel can probably dry his ice out like he did Gray's. Ajeel has shown a counter to ice.

I'm not replying to the entire comment ,but this.

Dude he never used RIP on Rogue and Kagura or the cats. He used it only on Sting. Which could get countered because of Rogue's shadows. You're telling me a guy who could make Laxus come on his knees when his magic affected him and could render Natsu helpless with sleep can't make Sting go to sleep ? Give me a break. I know his hype of being able to take on Acnologia was BS but let's not downplay his feats and ignore them.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

I'm not replying to the entire comment ,but this.

Dude he never used RIP on Rogue and Kagura or the cats. He used it only on Sting. Which could get countered because of Rogue's shadows. You're telling me a guy who could make Laxus come on his knees when his magic affected him and could render Natsu helpless with sleep can't make Sting go to sleep ? Give me a break. I know his hype of being able to take on Acnologia was BS but let's not downplay his feats and ignore them.

Sting did kind of eat his magic which would have given him a boost as well. We have seen what happened to Natsu when he had Ignia's fire and had counters for rest of Larcade spells as well.

 

[Ramen]

He was heavily underestimate. Not even Loke thought Elf was this powerful. Not when feats are proving previous feats. Nothing Elf has down showed he grown over the last year. It is just proving the power he already had. It's not better than taking on a guy who was beating Erza badly. Ajeel > Alvarez Erza > Madmole. Loke never saw Elfman's fight against Ajeel which is why they are surprised in the first place.

Silver is a DeS spell and it was used while he was in DeS mode. Which moves are stronger than Silver? Full on counter for what? One of his best moves was easily countered.

Wendy bestowed her the power of DS sword which is what she uses currently.

His RIP couldn't even make an exhausted Rogue go to sleep lmao. Even if he is at an elemental disadvantage his stats shouldn't have overpowered by Base Sting who is far weaker than Elf. Hunger got easily overturn by a cat lol.

4 featless GOI and pushing back a team Natsu that wasn't even trying is more impressive than manhandling Erza and shrugging of DeS Gray??? When is lightning an elemental advantage? SW trumps GS AoE but a huge margin.

Can Ice Slave even touch him if he uses sand body or merges with ground? Ajeel can probably dry his ice out like he did Gray's. Ajeel has shown a counter to ice.

No he was not underestimated. People knew his strength and when they saw his improvements they were shocked. Madmole>>Ajeel. Ajeel can't damage him in the slightest bit. Ajeel's AoE doesn't mean a thing if it can't damage. The same way Erza was surprised of Natsu's strength during Avatar, it was clear he improved. Madmole tanked Erza's sword hit to the head like it was nothing. Ajeel would die trying to do that

@atlantisreturns already told you about RIP.

So you want to wank Ajeel's feats but downplay everyone else's? Cool, he only did destroy 4 Makarov level mages with no magic.

Silver isn't a DeS Spell otherwise it would have the DeS chant we see Gray use for his actual DeS spells. His actual DeS spells are his Sword, fists, and arrow. He acc used those during his fight with Invel. Tapping into the mode just enhances the spell itself. Even in the anime, DeS ice is Pink and regular is blue. He has much stronger spells.

He has never shown a counter to hax, the same way Gray should've eaten Invel's ice but didn't, nothing suggests he can break out of ice Slave

 

[Crimson Ice]

Aaah seeing my posts from 3 and a half years ago let’s me know the Mira wank has been strong since then.

 

[Jko]

I'm not replying to the entire comment ,but this.

Dude he never used RIP on Rogue and Kagura or the cats. He used it only on Sting. Which could get countered because of Rogue's shadows. You're telling me a guy who could make Laxus come on his knees when his magic affected him and could render Natsu helpless with sleep can't make Sting go to sleep ? Give me a break. I know his hype of being able to take on Acnologia was BS but let's not downplay his feats and ignore them.

@August_Lightning

Spoiler

He used RIP on Rogue. He only made Laxus fall to his knees bcs of pleasure which is his strongest move and Natsu was barely effected by RIP and was never rendered useless. He literally stood there and let him cry to his Daddy lmao.

No he was not underestimated. People knew his strength and when they saw his improvements they were shocked. Madmole>>Ajeel. Ajeel can't damage him in the slightest bit. Ajeel's AoE doesn't mean a thing if it can't damage. The same way Erza was surprised of Natsu's strength during Avatar, it was clear he improved. Madmole tanked Erza's sword hit to the head like it was nothing. Ajeel would die trying to do that

@atlantisreturns already told you about RIP.

So you want to wank Ajeel's feats but downplay everyone else's? Cool, he only did destroy 4 Makarov level mages with no magic.

Silver isn't a DeS Spell otherwise it would have the DeS chant we see Gray use for his actual DeS spells. His actual DeS spells are his Sword, fists, and arrow. He acc used those during his fight with Invel. Tapping into the mode just enhances the spell itself. Even in the anime, DeS ice is Pink and regular is blue. He has much stronger spells.

He has never shown a counter to hax, the same way Gray should've eaten Invel's ice but didn't, nothing suggests he can break out of ice Slave

Ajeel damaged Erza who is far stronger than Madmole so I'm sure he is alright. Plus he can easily sink Madmole into the ground and or dehydrate him with a simple touch like he did against Erza. Madmole tanked a sword hit from a bikini Erza. Also taking a sword stab is different than tanking a blunt force attack. Piercing and slashing do more damage than blunt force attacks. Natsu or Laxus wouldn't be able to sit there and take a sword strike from Erza to the head either. Madmole's physical power is straight garbo as it was compared to Natsu's basic punches lmao. Madmole just has super high defense but falls short to anyone who can overpower that defense or find a way around it.

He used magic to beat them into the floor the first time he just didn't use DS magic.

Silver is only casted in DeS mode lol. And even if it's not DeS ice it is still stronger as he opted to use that the move after DeS Longsword failed. He only used his DeS sword against Invel. Everything else was unamed attacks until he jacked Invel's ice.

 

[Ramen]

@August_Lightning

Spoiler

He used RIP on Rogue. He only made Laxus fall to his knees bcs of pleasure which is his strongest move and Natsu was barely effected by RIP and was never rendered useless. He literally stood there and let him cry to his Daddy lmao.

Ajeel damaged Erza who is far stronger than Madmole so I'm sure he is alright. Plus he can easily sink Madmole into the ground and or dehydrate him with a simple touch like he did against Erza. Madmole tanked a sword hit from a bikini Erza. Also taking a sword stab is different than tanking a blunt force attack. Piercing and slashing do more damage than blunt force attacks. Natsu or Laxus wouldn't be able to sit there and take a sword strike from Erza to the head either. Madmole's physical power is straight garbo as it was compared to Natsu's basic punches lmao. Madmole just has super high defense but falls short to anyone who can overpower that defense or find a way around it.

He used magic to beat them into the floor the first time he just didn't use DS magic.

Silver is only casted in DeS mode lol. And even if it's not DeS ice it is still stronger as he opted to use that the move after DeS Longsword failed. He only used his DeS sword against Invel. Everything else was unamed attacks until he jacked Invel's ice.

I can't type a proper response since I'm at work rn. I'll do it later.

 

[Jko]

I can't type a proper response since I'm at work rn. I'll do it later.

It's all good bro. Time is a luxury that most of us don't have lol. I don't even finish half my debates bcs I get swamped with stuff to do

 

[atlantisreturns]

@August_Lightning

Spoiler

He used RIP on Rogue. He only made Laxus fall to his knees bcs of pleasure which is his strongest move and Natsu was barely effected by RIP and was never rendered useless. He literally stood there and let him cry to his Daddy lmao.

Ok , I'll admit I was wrong about Rogue. Still both Sting and Rogue were helpless , as was Natsu.

Spoiler

^^ Well , I wouldn't call this "letting him cry to his daddy" since he's affected to the point he cannot retaliate. He was completely bloodlusted against Zeref , it doesn't make sense that he would stop in battle and let his guard down if he can afford not to. Natsu was rendered useless because he was trying to fight but couldn't .

 

[Jko]

Ok , I'll admit I was wrong about Rogue. Still both Sting and Rogue were helpless , as was Natsu.

Spoiler

^^ Well , I wouldn't call this "letting him cry to his daddy" since he's affected to the point he cannot retaliate. He was completely bloodlusted against Zeref , it doesn't make sense that he would stop in battle and let his guard down if he can afford not to. Natsu was rendered useless because he was trying to fight but couldn't .

He legit lets them talk it out. We already seen RIP doesn't stop them from using magic so why wouldn't Natsu just use a roar at him? Instead he lets them talk it out instead of attacking the caster. And he wasn't bloodlusted against Zeref. I woulnd't even call him enraged. He was just serious lol. He also had no trouble in letting Mavis talk it out with Zeref either lol. He never tried to fight to fight Larcade. He just fought not to fall asleep lol. He could have killed Larcade if he desired to.

 

[atlantisreturns]

He legit lets them talk it out. We already seen RIP doesn't stop them from using magic so why wouldn't Natsu just use a roar at him? Instead he lets them talk it out instead of attacking the caster. And he wasn't bloodlusted against Zeref. I woulnd't even call him enraged. He was just serious lol. He also had no trouble in letting Mavis talk it out with Zeref either lol. He never tried to fight to fight Larcade. He just fought not to fall asleep lol. He could have killed Larcade if he desired to.

Due to the fact that he let his guard down during fighting ? No evidence that Natsu would be able to use magic , the people affected shown were Rogue and Sting , Kagura being affected wasn't shown , and when Sting went into his shadows his senses sharpened and he became immune to RIP. Only then he could use magic.

What we know is that Natsu was affected and he let his guard down and was disoriented Acnologia style. That's how it was portrayed.

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I guess I'll have to go to bed now since it's night here in India. Will check later.

 

[Ramen]

@August_Lightning

Spoiler

He used RIP on Rogue. He only made Laxus fall to his knees bcs of pleasure which is his strongest move and Natsu was barely effected by RIP and was never rendered useless. He literally stood there and let him cry to his Daddy lmao.

Ajeel damaged Erza who is far stronger than Madmole so I'm sure he is alright. Plus he can easily sink Madmole into the ground and or dehydrate him with a simple touch like he did against Erza. Madmole tanked a sword hit from a bikini Erza. Also taking a sword stab is different than tanking a blunt force attack. Piercing and slashing do more damage than blunt force attacks. Natsu or Laxus wouldn't be able to sit there and take a sword strike from Erza to the head either. Madmole's physical power is straight garbo as it was compared to Natsu's basic punches lmao. Madmole just has super high defense but falls short to anyone who can overpower that defense or find a way around it.

He used magic to beat them into the floor the first time he just didn't use DS magic.

Silver is only casted in DeS mode lol. And even if it's not DeS ice it is still stronger as he opted to use that the move after DeS Longsword failed. He only used his DeS sword against Invel. Everything else was unamed attacks until he jacked Invel's ice.

Doesn't change the fact that Sting had 2 people helping him and had an elemental advantage against Larcade. Ajeel won't have that. He'll render him useless in no time.

Yes he damaged Erza who doesn't have that level of durability but that doesn't mean he has a chance of damaging Madmole. Ajeel has no heavy hitting spells. His top spell is sand world and that is meant for him to be evasive and avoid his opponent. It's like Jacob's stealth. Once he comes out, he still can't damage him. We've barely seen his offensive capability but he doesn't need a Natsu/Gildarts type offense to damage Ajeel. Elfman and Lisanna did it. If they can get around his defense sure, but Ajeel can't. He tanked a Demo-Fist, a sword hit directly to the head, and got up right away from a FDKM Purgatory. Who else is doing that? Certainly not Ajeel. That's the same guy Elfman was able to damage and leave scratches on.

No, even August says after to Jacob that it's finally time to show them (GOI) Serena's power. That means, he wasn't using his DS magic. GS only has DS magic. That's his whole character, the 8 Dragon Hybrid Theory Mage. Jura was shocked when he saw GS using his Hurricane, Water King, Purgatory and Cavern elements.

Spoiler

Everytime Silver has been used, it's been overpowered like against Ajeel and Skullion so it's nowhere near the strongest. He has much stronger attacks in base and DeS like:

• Ice Impact
• Cold Excalibur
• Ice Bringer
• Iced Shell
• Geyser
• His DeS spells other than DeS Rage since it's featless.

He never jacked his Ice, he clearly overpowered his Ice Kamui with his own strength. Gray tried punching Invel with ice and Invel countered it. Invel's starts freezing Gray's arm, Gray uses that to mold it into his DeS Destruction fist. No, he overpowered Invel's strongest form with his own power then used Invel's ice after to beat him up.

Spoiler: Gray tries punching Invel with his own Ice

Spoiler: Invel admitting Gray is using his Ice after he overpowered him

Spoiler: Gray using Invel's ice after

Seeing as how this is an old thread, I'll leave this as the last argument I make.

 

[grey matter]

No, even August says after to Jacob that it's finally time to show them (GOI) Serena's power. That means, he wasn't using his DS magic. GS only has DS magic. That's his whole character, the 8 Dragon Hybrid Theory Mage. Jura was shocked when he saw GS using his Hurricane, Water King, Purgatory and Cavern elements.

Spoiler

I think lightning is Serena's base magic.

 

[Ramen]

I think lightning is Serena's base magic.

I'm pretty sure he only has DS magic