Discussion Mystery Team SPAIN

[-Ken-]

Hmmm. Yes. But we are talking about Julio/Silva

Being A designated Doubles Pair.

Then, you are thinking Julio/Silva as a doubles pair will be significantly stronger than Mares/Seda.

However, they are only up against Ochi/Mouri. Literally the two lower ranked G10 Members

Though, I think Ochi was legit #4. I doubt Mouri is even as good as Japan Top Msers.

Ochi/Mouri beat Oni/Byoudonin although they are injured and they even manage it 6-3. Doubles doesn't always mean 1+1 =2. It's basically 1+1+X where X is doubles bonus. That's why Golden Pair is the strongest pair in the first PoT although individually they are not that strong. If you look it seem like they unlock howling unlike their match with Kimijima/Tohno which raise that X to another level and Oni seem to even use Kijin.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Time for another Update:

Romeo - Exceeds Expectation

Mares - Exceeds Expectation

Seda - Met Expectations

**EXPLANATION**

Romeo Exceeds Expectation. His Materializar Illusion can crack his opponent Mentally at the start. And then He has Infinite Reset which gives him unli Stamina. And for his trump card, he has that Hormones Adjustment up to 120% to generally boost himself.

Mares, So She is all Sniping and Paralyzing. But she still exceeds expectation because of her White Flame Aura who seemed to be Equal to TNK2 Kintarou. I kinda expected a new move skillset though ngl. She is like a One trick Pony with White Flame Aura. Byt Yeah, she is very strong

Seda or Sedah finally Met expectations. Initially, he only has Massive Hypnosis which you can counter by being Pure (like Zeus and Kin) or by wearing ear plugs.However, the Rainbow Aura is strong. Because it is the same Aura of Zeus who controls the pace of the game. That is the one which started Spain's comeback. And Finally, i think his biggest asset is his "Instant Copy" (@LetalHawk named it, so I will just use that)

Seda casually copied Mountain Storm, and Nitoryu. And ngl. Those moves are not easy to copy imo.

For Fun,

how will you rank Romeo, Mares, and Seda from Strongest to Weakest?

Reading the summary from Last Chapter. I think I will rank them as

1. Mares
2. Romeo
3. Seda

Idk, I think Mares, Romeo, and Seda are kinda in the same tier who has a chance to beat each other in a 1 V 1.

--- Double Post Merged, May 11, 2024, Original Post Date: May 3, 2024 ---

Time for another Update:

Romeo - Exceeds Expectation

Mares - Exceeds Expectation

Seda - Met Expectations

**EXPLANATION**

Romeo Exceeds Expectation. His Materializar Illusion can crack his opponent Mentally at the start. And then He has Infinite Reset which gives him unli Stamina. And for his trump card, he has that Hormones Adjustment up to 120% to generally boost himself.

Mares, So She is all Sniping and Paralyzing. But she still exceeds expectation because of her White Flame Aura who seemed to be Equal to TNK2 Kintarou. I kinda expected a new move skillset though ngl. She is like a One trick Pony with White Flame Aura. Byt Yeah, she is very strong

Seda or Sedah finally Met expectations. Initially, he only has Massive Hypnosis which you can counter by being Pure (like Zeus and Kin) or by wearing ear plugs.However, the Rainbow Aura is strong. Because it is the same Aura of Zeus who controls the pace of the game. That is the one which started Spain's comeback. And Finally, i think his biggest asset is his "Instant Copy" (@LetalHawk named it, so I will just use that)

Seda casually copied Mountain Storm, and Nitoryu. And ngl. Those moves are not easy to copy imo.

For Fun,

how will you rank Romeo, Mares, and Seda from Strongest to Weakest?

Reading the summary from Last Chapter. I think I will rank them as

1. Mares
2. Romeo
3. Seda

Idk, I think Mares, Romeo, and Seda are kinda in the same tier who has a chance to beat each other in a 1 V 1.

MY PREDICTION SPAIN PLAYERS RANKING

Ryoga≥Medanore> Mares> Romeo>Julio>Seda>Silva> Rodrigo

 

[mathematicianrcg]

It's possible that they will be stronger as a team, as Mares/Seda seem to be a strong makeshift pair and Spain should have 1 pure doubles for once.

Julio/Silva will be the Strongest Doubles Pair after this Tourney. I predict.

Medanore will be revealed Strongest Hser. Surpassing Volk.

And Ryoga Will be Revealed Strongest Mser.

At least Until Toku and Ryoma challenge them.

Ochi/Mouri might lose. Because of Mouri.

Mouri will be the "Ohmagari sutuation in D2" in D1.

 

[Ganonslayer101]

Julio/Silva will be the Strongest Doubles Pair after this Tourney. I predict.

Medanore will be revealed Strongest Hser. Surpassing Volk.

And Ryoga Will be Revealed Strongest Mser.

At least Until Toku and Ryoma challenge them.

Ochi/Mouri might lose. Because of Mouri.

Mouri will be the "Ohmagari sutuation in D2" in D1.

I doubt Mouri will be a hindrance. His Sleepless state should be effective. No reason it can't be. Plus knowing a crazy angled shot could come out of nowhere should help supply mental pressure.
Narrative, Ohmagari was the weaker link because his story in the match was his insecurity.
I doubt Mouri would be given the same arc.

If anything. I predict we'll be seeing both 1) Ochi's Mach' limit will be seen since they brought up that he can't spam it which why he plays doubles. And 2) he will fall to mental pressure.

Side prediction: like Kentaro from Rokkaku, Julio/ Silva will get stronger under pressure instead of falter

 

[mathematicianrcg]

I doubt Mouri will be a hindrance. His Sleepless state should be effective. No reason it can't be. Plus knowing a crazy angled shot could come out of nowhere should help supply mental pressure.
Narrative, Ohmagari was the weaker link because his story in the match was his insecurity.
I doubt Mouri would be given the same arc.

If anything. I predict we'll be seeing both 1) Ochi's Mach' limit will be seen since they brought up that he can't spam it which why he plays doubles. And 2) he will fall to mental pressure.

Side prediction: like Kentaro from Rokkaku, Julio/ Silva will get stronger under pressure instead of falter

For Julio/Silva

At start, I thought Silva will be the stronger one. But based on portrayal, I think Julio is strong enough to be trusted as Vice Captain. And even manage Mares and Rodrigo's Training Regimen. Heck, it was implied he has a say in the lineup too. Since, Mares thought Julio will replace him in Finals Lineup.

So, Julio might be the one who is strong.

I wonder if Julio or Silva are as strong or stronger than Mares, or at least Romeo.

 

[LetalHawk]

I doubt Mouri will be a hindrance. His Sleepless state should be effective. No reason it can't be. Plus knowing a crazy angled shot could come out of nowhere should help supply mental pressure.
Narrative, Ohmagari was the weaker link because his story in the match was his insecurity.
I doubt Mouri would be given the same arc.

If anything. I predict we'll be seeing both 1) Ochi's Mach' limit will be seen since they brought up that he can't spam it which why he plays doubles. And 2) he will fall to mental pressure.

Side prediction: like Kentaro from Rokkaku, Julio/ Silva will get stronger under pressure instead of falter

Ofc I expect that Julio/Silva will return Mach eventually, showing his weakness. Byo already said that even though Mach is a light speed serve, the course of the ball is always the same and if you stand more or less at the center of the receiver side and are fast enough you can react to it.

Ochi/Mouri are going to lose 100%. They won everything so far in the WC and haven’t had a loss since they played Atobe/Niou back then, I expect Japan to win all the singles matches and lose D1.

Ryoma and Toku are guaranteed wins so their chances of losing are 100%.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Ofc I expect that Julio/Silva will return Mach eventually, showing his weakness. Byo already said that even though Mach is a light speed serve, the course of the ball is always the same and if you stand more or less at the center of the receiver side and are fast enough you can react to it.

Ochi/Mouri are going to lose 100%. They won everything so far in the WC and haven’t had a loss since they played Atobe/Niou back then, I expect Japan to win all the singles matches and lose D1.

Ryoma and Toku are guaranteed wins so their chances of losing are 100%.

Imo, Ryoma is not 100% guaranteed win in S2. Ngl. (Slight chance can be a no game)

The S1 for Toku is the 100% guaranteed win

As for D2, yes. Julio/Silva will definitely win this. Unless konomi surprise us

 

[Ganonslayer101]

It is confirmed. Ryoma VS Ryoga now.

I am not comfortable much in seeing Ryoma or Ryoga in sidelines after losing. Idk why.

Hope, it is a no game actually. Lmao.

Side Note:

What if it turns out Medanore is stronger than Ryoga? Or at least can counter him so he can beat him.

We are all wrong in switching Medanore and Ryoga thing.

Same with Toku being stronger than Ryoma in this match.

Tokugawa is set to be the first one to achieve and finish asura path right?

It makes sense that anyone who can counter consume is stronger than Ryoga. We don't know how Ryoma will do it (even if Ryoma loses, I think he will still counter consume) or how Medanore does. But Ryoga was being comfortably handled by Ralph before consume. So if you can stop it, he's probably Bismarck tier or below.

Toku has definitely been set up to Achieve whatever the true Asura Path is. Whatever form it takes that Byoudin ignored and Akutsu couldn't find

 

[LetalHawk]

It makes sense that anyone who can counter consume is stronger than Ryoga. We don't know how Ryoma will do it (even if Ryoma loses, I think he will still counter consume) or how Medanore does. But Ryoga was being comfortably handled by Ralph before consume. So if you can stop it, he's probably Bismarck tier or below.

Toku has definitely been set up to Achieve whatever the true Asura Path is. Whatever form it takes that Byoudin ignored and Akutsu couldn't find

I doubt Ryoga without consume is that low, he is probably hiding more things up his sleeve and if Ryoma beats consume he’ll have more things hidden for sure.

The two top players of the tourney not from Japan are Ryoga and Medanore. You’re underestimating Ryoga and he will be stronger than Volk. Ryoga played with Ralph and when at the end he went all out he shut him down, I even doubt he was playing at 100% at that match.

to say that Ryoga without consume is Bismarck tier is ridiculous, honestly I expect him to be Volk level or beyond.

 

[Ganonslayer101]

I doubt Ryoga without consume is that low, he is probably hiding more things up his sleeve and if Ryoma beats consume he’ll have more things hidden for sure.

The two top players of the tourney not from Japan are Ryoga and Medanore. You’re underestimating Ryoga and he will be stronger than Volk. Ryoga played with Ralph and when at the end he went all out he shut him down, I even doubt he was playing at 100% at that match.

to say that Ryoga without consume is Bismarck tier is ridiculous, honestly I expect him to be Volk level or beyond.

So you think that without Consume, that Ryoga is equal to or better than the Strongest Player in the tournament. Stronger than the guy who was so superior to the World #1 that he time looped him? I think you're expectations for Ryoga are far too high.

Yeah he beat Ralph after going all out because buy going all out he was consuming Ralph's Tennis. Everyone he plays gets worse by default as the match goes on.

 

[felixng2011]

I highly doubt Ryoga minus consume>Volk.

 

[LetalHawk]

I highly doubt Ryoga minus consume>Volk.

I expect him to have another broken technique aside from consume, which will put him above Volk.

Otw, how do you guys rate him?

 

[felixng2011]

I expect him to have another broken technique aside from consume, which will put him above Volk.

Otw, how do you guys rate him?

Probably a bit below Volk/Medanore without consume.

Otherwise he would just be so far above Volk it wouldn't even be funny. Nothing suggests Volk can counter consume. Medanore is the only character that seems able to do something against it so far.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

I expect him to have another broken technique aside from consume, which will put him above Volk.

Otw, how do you guys rate him?

We kinda saw his other skills in Ryoga VS Ryoma non canon movie.

I assume some of those will still become canon skills.

Though, I cannot remember all. I might rewatch it. lol

Ryoga should have all signature Nanjiroh skills:

Ryoga Zone (like Tezuka/Nanjiro Zone), Close Eyes (Like nanjiroh/Fuji), and yes Twist Serve

Who knows if Ryoga can unlock Ultimate Zone and Ultimate Quality at the same time. lol

But I am maybe expecting too much. LMAO

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 2, 2024, Original Post Date: Jul 2, 2024 ---

Probably a bit below Volk/Medanore without consume.

Otherwise he would just be so far above Volk it wouldn't even be funny. Nothing suggests Volk can counter consume. Medanore is the only character that seems able to do something against it so far.

How to counter Consume?

Easy, Just prepare 2 Personalities like Medanore. problem Solved, Jk. hahhahahaha

Seriously speaking,

You cannot Consume Dual Personality. How the hell will you consume that.

So yeah, Medanore probably hard counters.

It is Medanore's skills that is I am curious about.

He is called the "Genius Maverick" for a reason

 

[Adamska]

What is Nanjirou's tennis?
There is something that we as a reader don't know about, Ryoga mentioned once right?
Samurai zone, twisted serve and etc are kind of techs that can be done by anyone


But I'm talking about something unique, something like consume!
Anyway despite that secret things what are Nanjirou's skills?

 

[Ganonslayer101]

What is Nanjirou's tennis?
There is something that we as a reader don't know about, Ryoga mentioned once right?
Samurai zone, twisted serve and etc are kind of techs that can be done by anyone


But I'm talking about something unique, something like consume!
Anyway despite that secret things what are Nanjirou's skills?

It seems like Nanjiroh played a defensive game shockingly. While technically anyone can do Samurai Zone with enough training, it's still considered a very high level technique. Ryoma even with his pure talent couldn't copy it exactly and Volk considered Tezuka to be worthy of notice based on pictures he had of the aftermath.
Does make me wonder if he developed Samurai Zone later in life since the split-step Nitoryu combo was also his meaning he was a chaser at some point rather than bringing the ball to him.
Plus Ryomas aggressive Drive Volleys are his own creation. So Nanjiroh likely didn't have any Specials like them.
We also know that he encourages the mid match evolution meaning he probably set himself up to get pushed back a lot. Probably why he got so strong in his relatively short career
He was a pioneer of Teni'Muhoh at least in Japan which gave him a leg up. Nanjiroh likely doesn't have Consume. His whole view of Tennis is that it's fun, doesn't make sense if he cripples everyone he plays when serious.
But he likely has another ability on top of it.
Probably also has a Kijin.

 

[Adamska]

It seems like Nanjiroh played a defensive game shockingly. While technically anyone can do Samurai Zone with enough training, it's still considered a very high level technique. Ryoma even with his pure talent couldn't copy it exactly and Volk considered Tezuka to be worthy of notice based on pictures he had of the aftermath.
Does make me wonder if he developed Samurai Zone later in life since the split-step Nitoryu combo was also his meaning he was a chaser at some point rather than bringing the ball to him.
Plus Ryomas aggressive Drive Volleys are his own creation. So Nanjiroh likely didn't have any Specials like them.
We also know that he encourages the mid match evolution meaning he probably set himself up to get pushed back a lot. Probably why he got so strong in his relatively short career
He was a pioneer of Teni'Muhoh at least in Japan which gave him a leg up. Nanjiroh likely doesn't have Consume. His whole view of Tennis is that it's fun, doesn't make sense if he cripples everyone he plays when serious.
But he likely has another ability on top of it.
Probably also has a Kijin.

Ryoga shows how capable he is on performing other (common but strong moves) yet his tennis is consume.

Nanjirou is ?? He has something!

Ryoma? No mada mada.
TNK, Kijin, 10 ball, drives and serve is reachable
So he need one very exclusive technique that defines his tennis.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Quick Recap of Spain Players (As of July 6, 2024)

So far, this is all we know

For those who we saw play already:

Romeo - Materializar, Infinite Reset, 120% Hormones Manipulation

Mares - Sniping Paralyis Serves , Groundstroke Paralysis, White Flame

Sedah - Massive Hypnosis, Reversal Copy, Mt, Iris Oympus Light

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Those who will see play next:

Julio - Master Ball Control, Ball accuracy

Silva - Parkour Acrobatic Skills

Ryoga - Consume (Techniques), Consume (Aura)

Medanore - Split Personality

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Guess these new batch of chapters put that question to bed. It's Romeo until Ryoga joined.

Still feeling that way after we saw what Mares, Silva, and Julio can do?

Is Romeo stronger than all Spain Hsers except Medanore? (Ryoga is Mser too).

 

[ShadowHeart]

Still feeling that way after we saw what Mares, Silva, and Julio can do?

Is Romeo stronger than all Spain Hsers except Medanore? (Ryoga is Mser too).

I think Romeo even before he unlocked 120% was stronger than Mares. But I think his White Flame power puts him slightly above Romeo. Silva and Julio are just a much stronger Golden Pair best Doubles Team. But would lose badly to the others in singles.