Shounen Naruto by Masashi Kishimoto

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

[Chapter #363 - njt]
Sasuke:
Orochimaru was already weakened
That's all it was

well this is the only example of white snake mode we have for reference

 

[LnDRash]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

And?

This stupid "A beat B so A must be better then C" has never worked with this Manga and it won't start now all out of a sudden.

 

[M3J]

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White Snake Orochimaru lost to Sasuke because he was both weak and Sasuke had Sharingan. If Orochimaru wanted to kill Sasuke, he'd have done so when Sasuke was paralyzed. And don't use previous losses or wins to show that a character would win or lose, this isn't Dragon Ball Z. Besides, Orochimaru fought Kyuubi Naruto and withstood being cut in half, having his neck broken, and taking the weakened bijuu cannon. Minato so far has nothing in his arsenal that even matches the bijuu cannon.

Say whatever you want, but Minato loses to White Snake Orochimaru. That's common sense. EVen if Minato does cut Orochimaru open, he'll be paralyzed by the poison, while failing to kill Orochimaru. No one has ever been able to kill Orochimaru, ever. No one after he successfully did the body transfer was able to bring him to the brink of death, and Kyuubi Naruto nearly killed JIraiya, which shows his power.

 

[syx]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

I wanted to point out that Sasuke's victory against Orochimaru can't be taken as a measurement. Only because people believe in Orochimaru's victory against Minato doesn't automatically mean they think Minato is inferior to pre-MS Sasuke.

Sasuke himself stated that Orochimaru was weakend. He acknowledged that certain circumstances played into his hands. Orochimaru was coughing up blood and Kabuto made it clear that Orochimaru doesn't have many days left. That's all there is to it.

And it's quite funny that you say this is the only example of White Snake Mode we have for reference, even though it was stated Orochimaru was in his worst condition. Yet you are the one who puts CM Minato above all shinobi when the only example of a healthy Minato with Kyuubi's chakra we have for reference is actually THIS, lmao.

Am I the only person in this world who chose Minato as a favorite character because of the shinobi he actually is/was, not because I thought he was a god?

 

[REN KOUEN]

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And?

This stupid "A beat B so A must be better then C" has never worked with this Manga and it won't start now all out of a sudden.

i will agree with this statement, its all about individual matchups

i dont think sasuke or oro could beat minato

now current sasuke..... he would give minato a handful

however i still think minato would win

 

[Delbi]

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Sasuke beat Orochimaru in large part thanks to genjutsu. In fact, he owned him in his own dimension and then trapped his mind inside Sasuke's mind.

People wonder why Sharigan users genjutsu is so feared, Sasuke is a perfect example of that, and he's leagues below his brother Itachi in terms of genjutsu use.

Even if Minato is slightly better than Orochimaru with genjutsu (Orochimaru ranks as a 5 in genjutsu in the databook btw) he stands little chance if hit with an MS genjutsu by Sasuke or even a regular genjutsu by Itachi.

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minato would have had his hands full with bee and the raikage together

one on one i believe he could take either if them
though he would still have a hard time with both 1 v 1

not the best mathuo for minato but he could still beat them

How does he beat them? He can't hurt the Raikage, and if he does hurt Bee, Bee can regenerate. Not to mention both have enough stamina to out last him, both are stronger than him, and without Hirashin both are just as fast.

Minato is limited to his Hirashin tags. There's a reason he's never been in a drawn out fight, because eventually even he can be had. We saw this with Danzou and Sasuke.

Itachi said it best, ever jutsu has a weakness. Hirashin's is that it is limited to the kunai's Minato has in his possession. Destroy the kunai or put them in places Minato can't hurt you and you can win.

Sure he can tag you, but that tag is useless if he can't actually hurt you when goes to it.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

he could find a weak spot in the raiki armor or he could catch A off guard, its not like he always has the armor activated

however this would not be easy for minato at all

im not sure if he could beat bee now that i think about it

it depends if bee could regenerate a fatal wound, like a kunai to the throat, if his regeneration could instantly heal that before he bled to death, then minato would have to rely on trying to crush his skull with a rasengan

which isnt going to be easy against someone with that much power

bee with the samehada may actually be impossible for minato to beat

 

[Rikudou King]

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Knowing how the hiraishin works will give sasuke the disadvantage. He'll no doubt be cautious to all the visible tags, but the problem is, what happen to his ass if he was caught to an hidden seals? Just look what happened again to raikage. He's cautious to all the visible tags and he literally forgot that minato has the hidden seal on hachibi's tail. And boom, minato got the one of his epic pose of all time.

What disadvantage? Ee didn't "forget" anything, he had no idea that there was a tag on Kirabi, not that it matters here. I'm not sure how Minato deciding to take a hostage would apply to a solo battle with Sasuke. Heck, not even as if taking a hostage works with Sasuke... Anyway, the point is that Sasuke has tools that Ee didn't have, that would highlight any and all tags around him. He's not gonna "forget" a tag unless it's literally on him where he wouldn't be able to see it.

The thing is, knowing how minato's hiraishin really works wouldn't give sasuke some advantage. His attention will be divided to every kunai in the battlefield on where the heck minato would appear.

Knowing how Hiraishin works would give plenty of advantages. Sasuke wouldn't need to keep his attention on every tag, he would only have to worry about those near him, and knowing about it would allow him to make sure to keep his distances from them, preventing any sort of ambush on Minato's part.

But nonetheless, raikage admitted that minato is unsurpassed. That alone is enough that minato can kill him. If not, what's the point of making that opinion if he got the most awesome raiton shield in the series and minato can't literally kill him? It doesn't make any sense at all.

As for sasuke, how the heck could he blow all those kunai to pieces? With his lightning jutsu? his fire jutsu? amaterasu? You're exaggerating. Sasuke doesn't have a jutsu that can blow those kunai in an instant/in matter of seconds. His amaterasu, his strongest jutsu can't even burn the samurai's armor. and yet do you expect him to blow those kunai in a matter of seconds?

Ee was talking solely about speed. That's the only thing Minato outdid him in in that encounter. And it's the only thing Naruto outdid later on. The entire thing was about speed, the one thing Naruto was constantly being compared to Minato about.

Amaterasu can burn quickly when Sasuke wants it too, and with his lightning techniques he would be able to slice the tags apart, likely cancelling them out.

minato slaughters any oro

even white snake oro

oro has no defense for minatos speed

The entire point of Orochimaru is that he can't be killed. And Orochimaru's defense is his regenerative powers.

 

[REN KOUEN]

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What disadvantage? Ee didn't "forget" anything, he had no idea that there was a tag on Kirabi, not that it matters here. I'm not sure how Minato deciding to take a hostage would apply to a solo battle with Sasuke. Heck, not even as if taking a hostage works with Sasuke... Anyway, the point is that Sasuke has tools that Ee didn't have, that would highlight any and all tags around him. He's not gonna "forget" a tag unless it's literally on him where he wouldn't be able to see it.

Knowing how Hiraishin works would give plenty of advantages. Sasuke wouldn't need to keep his attention on every tag, he would only have to worry about those near him, and knowing about it would allow him to make sure to keep his distances from them, preventing any sort of ambush on Minato's part.

Ee was talking solely about speed. That's the only thing Minato outdid him in in that encounter. And it's the only thing Naruto outdid later on. The entire thing was about speed, the one thing Naruto was constantly being compared to Minato about.

Amaterasu can burn quickly when Sasuke wants it too, and with his lightning techniques he would be able to slice the tags apart, likely cancelling them out.

The entire point of Orochimaru is that he can't be killed. And Orochimaru's defense is his regenerative powers.

sasuke would not be able to land amaterasu on minato

you just assume minato is going to stand still holding a big sign saying "please burn me now"

 

[Rikudou King]

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Unless Minato stands there and waits to dodge it, he won't be able to dodge it, and if he does stand there he'll be opening himself to being caught in a genjutsu.

 

[REN KOUEN]

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Unless Minato stands there and waits to dodge it, he won't be able to dodge it, and if he does stand there he'll be opening himself to being caught in a genjutsu.

i believe he would hiraishin faster than sasuke can blink his eyes and slit his throat with a kunai

minato beats sasuke bro

 

[Rikudou King]

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Minato needs to know he needs to use Hiraishin before he can use it, thus the reason Obito nearly warped him before he could escape. If Minato can barely dodge Obito's technique, he's not dodging Sasuke's much faster techniques.

 

[REN KOUEN]

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Minato needs to know he needs to use Hiraishin before he can use it, thus the reason Obito nearly warped him before he could escape. If Minato can barely dodge Obito's technique, he's not dodging Sasuke's much faster techniques.

so now your saying sasuke could beat obito

LOL

 

[M3J]

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Minato can't dodge Amaterasu if he doesn't know it's coming, because he still needs to react pretty quickly. When he sees Amaterasu, he'll be surprised and then be hit. Case in hand: compare when Raikage first speedblitzed Minato to the second time, MInato's reactions and how fast he acted.

 

[Rikudou King]

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so now your saying sasuke could beat obito

LOL

Pretty sure I said nothing like that in that post. The fact remains that Kamui isn't as fast as Amaterasu or Susanoo's arrows, so if Minato can't dodge Kamui without warning, he's not dodging them without warning either.

 

[REN KOUEN]

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Pretty sure I said nothing like that in that post. The fact remains that Kamui isn't as fast as Amaterasu or Susanoo's arrows, so if Minato can't dodge Kamui without warning, he's not dodging them without warning either.

well kamui is a VERY unique ability

no one had EVER seen anything like it

now with that being said only a handfull of uchiha ever reached MS so i would imagine minato never saw susanoo or amaterasu either


but they are still more direct, visible attacks, that can be seen and dodged

whereas kamui is ...complete fucking haxx

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honestly i would love to believe sasuke actually would beat obito in a battle

its just hard to figure out how sasuke would hit him, he would have to use amaterasu because tobi would just hide in the kamui while sasuke was in susanoo

but if amaterasu hits tobi, just going into the kamui will not get rid of it, he will have to try to quickly undress like he did before, only now sasuke is directly aiming it instead of it being programed

 

[Rikudou King]

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They can be dodged under specific circumstances, one of which is literally standing there and waiting for it. The problem here is that if Minato chooses to do that, he's likely to be caught in a genjutsu. It's a catch 22.

 

[marshall313]

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Pretty sure I said nothing like that in that post. The fact remains that Kamui isn't as fast as Amaterasu or Susanoo's arrows, so if Minato can't dodge Kamui without warning, he's not dodging them without warning either.

Then there must be something wrong with your eyes.

Obito doesn't need any hand signs for his ability. It was an instant jutsu. So how come the amaterasu and susanoo's arrows are more faster?

Bleeding of MS is enough as a warning for minato to prepare his millisecond activation of his hiraishin. And the fact that zetsu stated that the air around itachi has been change when he used his amaterasu. So i don't see any reason for minato not to feel that air. Hachibi, danzo and obito sensed something before they were hit by amaterasu, that's enough for minato's hiraishin to bail him out instantly.

I can't believe sasuke's fans keeps on using this "amaterasu's shit" to defeat minato. Come on, minato is the fastest ninja of all time. Its no doubt his hiraishin is much more faster than amaterasu. There's no need to argue about that.

 

[REN KOUEN]

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i wonder why obito and kakashi cant use the big three ms abilities...

 

[Delbi]

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so now your saying sasuke could beat obito

LOL

Your A > B, B > C, thus A > C logic needs to stop. Match-ups mean a lot in this manga and Sasuke is a tough match up for Minato.

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he could find a weak spot in the raiki armor or he could catch A off guard, its not like he always has the armor activated

however this would not be easy for minato at all

im not sure if he could beat bee now that i think about it

it depends if bee could regenerate a fatal wound, like a kunai to the throat, if his regeneration could instantly heal that before he bled to death, then minato would have to rely on trying to crush his skull with a rasengan

which isnt going to be easy against someone with that much power

bee with the samehada may actually be impossible for minato to beat

If he goes Version 2.0 Minato can't do a damn thing to him. He doesn't even need Samehada although that is an added bonus.