Shounen Naruto by Masashi Kishimoto

[benelori]

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May I remind you that the us citizens voted for horrible president more than once? What does that say about majority to you? That they are always right?

The politics analogy doesn't work, because presidents are voted in by popular vote...in most cases anyway...while on IMDB there's a strict formula

 

[Schabrak]

Yeah not really.

15 year old girl loves teenage drama, rates Vampire Diaries 10/10, but that's not true due to problems in plot. Let's not act like people don't vote popular things in other matter too. Voting for music? They chose their favourite song, doesn't make those actually any good, does it?

 

[syx]

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Well... I'm glad I could help you guys out!

I can't believe this... and here I thought that you and I are family. You utterly crushed me. I'm not even able to fight back because of emotional disappointment.

Metaphorically, this is what happened right now:

LnDRash betrays syx!

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[Roman]

There wouldn't be any basis on to which degree to acknowledge something if there wasn't for the voting system. Like I said, there will always be biased people in the vote, but if a piece is really worth something, then the majority of votes will overshadow the votes from biased users. Therefore, you can trust the voting system.

 

[LnDRash]

I can't believe this... and here I thought that you and I are family. You utterly crushed me. I'm not even able to fight back because of emotional disappointment.

Oh come on... don't be such a whiner... you can't just run around and take other peoples toys... you have to share!

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Here! Take it!

See? Now you can both have the badass Pain Avatar! Thats how you make everyone happy and achieve world piece... uhm I mean peace!

 

[Schabrak]

Like I said, there will always be biased people in the vote, but if a piece is really worth something, then the majority of votes will overshadow the votes from biased users.

Therefore, you can trust the voting system.

Not always, less with favourite series and even less often on the internet. It's not about people noticing a [hidden] gem, those that read those will rate it accordingly anyway. It's about those diluting the 1/10s and 9/10 and 10/10s which create the problem. Those that don't value/rate art/style/plot/message/objective on each own and the framework created out of it.

Funny you write that as IMDB is exemplary one of the reasons why I wouldn't trust online votes.

 

[Roman]

Funny you write that as IMDB is exemplary one of the reasons why I wouldn't trust online votes.

I'm almost always pleased with the scores on IMDB because it usually correlates to my own opinion. And I try to be as objective as I can. That's why I used that as an example online voting site. I'd give Breaking Bad 10/10 but it has 9.4/5. Those 0.5 people are the users who either don't like it or don't know what the hell they're rating. But 9.5 is enough to know that the show is a master piece. You don't have to literally take the scores into the account but it does give you the notion of worth somewhere between the lines of those scores.

 

[Schabrak]

This is becoming off-topic, but you will realize that there are quiet a lot of series rated highly, some which deserve it's ratings some that obviously don't, because people often only rate the beginning/first seasons of a series. I wouldn't rate BB 10/10 either. :P

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Look at the arrow. How would you explain the big difference, but by knowing that those top voters will likely have a bigger experience with reviews and are more qualified to rate a series? They will know what to look for, the average voter[the majority] is likely not, they will be mostly subjective. Not gonna repeat myself again. Let's disagree if you won't see how you are wrong.

That's why RottenTomatoes is the better choice, it includes lots of reviews by real critics.

 

[Roman]

8.1 is still a good score and you generally know that the series is good because I said you can know the quality if the score fluctuates around a number. But yeah, agree to disagree.

 

[Schabrak]

8.1 is still a good score.

Only just you have said something else...

I'd give Breaking Bad 10/10 but it has 9.4/10. Those 0.5 people are the users who either don't like it or don't know what the hell they're rating. But 9.5 is enough to know that the show is a master piece.

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I could've included a lot of other various things that concern that but I didn't think I'd have to.

What?

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[Roman]

I could've included a lot of other various things that concern that but I didn't think I'd have to.

 

[Exodi]

What does any of what you guys are talking about have to do with Naruto?

Exodi is soooo confuzed~~~

 

[M3J]

It was at first about Naruto and Dragon Ball Z, how DBZ was better since it had better rating than Naruto on IMDB. They're arguing that ratings say a lot and are unbiased, which I highly disagree with. The ratings aren't unbiased or given full consideration of. like Naruto databook stats, it can be vague. Would I give Naruto and Dragon Ball Z (both manga) high rating? Yes I would, but I would still consider Naruto to be superior of the two. Ratings don't always mean everything, as one could enjoy another series that he has given lower rating to than the series with higher rating.

Regardless of the ratings or "unbiased" opinions, I'd say Naruto is much better than DBZ. Anime-wise, both are horrible (although I think DBZ Kai have no fillers, so that'd probably be better).

 

[Roman]

Read more carefully. It's never been said that there aren't any unbiased voters. There are, but if something is worth a high score, those unbiased voters would be overshadowed or outnumbered by others.

 

[LnDRash]

Not really. Make a vote about whats better:

1. A Burger with fries and coke.
2. A serving of Pea-Soup.

The majority will vote for the Mc Donalds menu, but that certainly does't make it the better food... all such a poll will tell you is the well known fact the majority of people simply doesn't give a damn about whats better due to being clueless, biased or whatever else.

 

[Roman]

You have to define "better". Better as in healthier food or better in taste.

But regardless, so if you see a score of something 2/10 let's say, you won't trust it and you'll watch it to see for yourself? Man, that must be exhausting and disappointing.

 

[LnDRash]

I usually don't decide what I read/watch by some silly scores... either it somehow catches my interest or I check it out because someone I know told me I might like it.

There's also a difference between 2/10 points compared to 9,5/10 and 8,5/10 compared to 9,5/10.

The first one most likely has a reason, while the other one can easily be explained by popularity (as in votes from people who never even watched another Anime except the one they voted for... (and that usually happens to be the majority of people).

 

[benelori]

What does any of what you guys are talking about have to do with Naruto?

Exodi is soooo confuzed~~~

The topic was initially Naruto .... I think

We are indeed going pretty off topic guys, so let's get back to Naruto please.

 

[Schabrak]

It was about mediocre series being rated as "masterpieces/great", not good series being voted 2/10. Good movies that aren't reaching the major public will still be rated good, as only those interested in the first place will rate it for what it's really worth.

You have to define "better". Better as in healthier food or better in taste.

But regardless, so if you see a score of something 2/10 let's say, you won't trust it and you'll watch it to see for yourself? Man, that must be exhausting and disappointing.

It was about mediocre series being rated as "masterpieces/great", not good series being voted as garbage. Good movies that aren't reaching the major public will still be rated good, as only those interested in the first place will rate it for what it's really worth. Looking at MAL, most users only seem capable of voting 7/10-10/10 instead of using the full ten point system.

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The topic was initially Naruto .... I think

We are indeed going pretty off topic guys, so let's get back to Naruto please.

Aye aye sir.

 

[M3J]

Read more carefully. It's never been said that there aren't any unbiased voters. There are, but if something is worth a high score, those unbiased voters would be overshadowed or outnumbered by others.

But you implied it when you said reviews tell the truth better than an individual's opinion. Reviews aren't always reliable and shouldn't be used to determine whether you should read or watch the literary work or movie.

Dragon Ball Z getting a higher rating than Naruto does not make it better than Naruto. It's all subjective, and the high scores aren't always accurate. I've seen how people rave about Al Pacino's Scarface and give good reviews, but I think it's an overrated film that's at best mediocre. Those same people who praise Scarface probably give Godfather a lower rating or below 5 because it doesn't suit their enjoyment - lack of constant cursing, violence, and blood even though Godfather I and II are easily superior.

Reviews don't really tell much, IMO, unless there's actually a well thought out review. Regardless of what anyone or any review says, for me Naruto is better than Dragon Ball Z, at least Part I Naruto. Part I Naruto is also better than HxH, and I don't understand why people say Naruto took inspiration from HxH when they're so different.

Sadly, Kishi took away complexity and development and turned it into another typical shounen like DBZ and HxH.

You have to define "better". Better as in healthier food or better in taste.

But regardless, so if you see a score of something 2/10 let's say, you won't trust it and you'll watch it to see for yourself? Man, that must be exhausting and disappointing.

Why not? People have different tastes in manga. Those who prefer Part I enjoy a more complex story telling where the fights aren't so identical to each other whereas those who prefer Dragon Ball Z enjoy mainly fighting. Even score of 2 out of 10 may not be entirely fair, because the work itself could be of high quality but the complexity or message of the story doesn't sit well with most people.