Discussion Natsu's Timeline

[febez]

As per suggestion, I have started a new thread to discuss Natsu's timeline. Idk if there is some part of his past that will be revealed later on for plot purposes, or if I'm just reading too much into it.


This is what gets me. I feel like we're missing a part of Natsu's timeline. From what we've been given it goes like this: Natsu and his parents died 400 years ago, Zeref brings Natsu backs to life, Igneel teaches him magic and reading and writing and stuff, Natsu is sent to the future with the other DS.

We never get to see him as END, but Atlas Flame describes him as the vilest demon from the Books of Zeref, and I know that Mard Geer only used his name to create Tartaros, but surely that means END has some kind of reputation preceding him. Also Silver mentions that he learned Ice Devil Slaying magic because END is a flame demon (If anyone can remember Silver having a grudge against END or something please enlighten me ) And I believe that Zeref stated that Acnologia is scared of END's power.
Did Zeref revive him as an etherious with flame curses, or is it because he is taught fire DS magic, which is technically magic and not curses, so it would not equal to "Flame Demon."

So I'll be curious to see if Natsu has ever actually been in his Etherious form, because it sounds like he was END at some point in the past. If anyone can prove me wrong or right I'll be happy, because it's been annoying me for ages

 

[DarkSoulz]

What if END was never really evil? Think about it Zeref stated that END was a rebel that didn't listen to him. Zeref was at the time cursed to kill, so in a way END was rebelling against a killer. What if all this hype about END being the most "vile" of demons are all fake rumours of some sorts, the same way we belived END created Tartaros.

It would be epic if the following happened, when END was created he was pure and not evil, remember he died at a very young age. When he was revived Zeref didn't know how strong he was because he was just reborn. After some time Zeref ordered END to kill something to test his powers, it could be a very strong demon, or it could be something like wiping out an entire village. END refused, so Zeref didn't know how strong he was. Some time later END sees Dragons or Acnolgia attacking a human village. END shows his power for the first time making the dragons/acnolgia back off. If he fought Acnolgia this could show why acnolgia in a way "fear" END. At the same time Zeref and the other demons witness END'S power and at this point is where the false rumours start to begin.

NOTE: 2nd paragraph is wishful thinking. Let me know what you think.

 

[reesestl]

Think about this. Igneel was the leader of the movement on dragon-human coexistence and advocacy of teaching DS magic to humans. Then, does it make sense that he only trained Natsu at an old age after losing his powers to Acno's magic? Not to me.
This makes me think Natsu may have a big role in the war 400 yrs ago. Natsu was adopted by Igneel and taught DS Magic. He was one of the earliest Dragon Slayers. Then something went wrong and he turned into E.N.D. Igneel could not kill him but Natsu was regenerated as a kid like the Etherious Demons with a lost memory due to Igneel's intervention. Thts where he remembers things from.

By Flame dragon and Zeref, Igneel could not kill Natsu. That means

• he had a reason to consider killing Natsu.
• The reason to kill arose after he had developed a relation with Natsu

But if we believe that Natsu was adopted as kid straight by Igneel and then transported to future that becomes inconsistent. The above theory is the only one which fits the known facts. It also explains Silver's comments about flame monster E.N.D.

 

[febez]

Think about this. Igneel was the leader of the movement on dragon-human coexistence and advocacy of teaching DS magic to humans. Then, does it make sense that he only trained Natsu at an old age after losing his powers to Acno's magic? Not to me.
This makes me think Natsu may have a big role in the war 400 yrs ago. Natsu was adopted by Igneel and taught DS Magic. He was one of the earliest Dragon Slayers. Then something went wrong and he turned into E.N.D. Igneel could not kill him but Natsu was regenerated as a kid like the Etherious Demons with a lost memory due to Igneel's intervention. Thts where he remembers things from.

By Flame dragon and Zeref, Igneel could not kill Natsu. That means

• he had a reason to consider killing Natsu.
• The reason to kill arose after he had developed a relation with Natsu

But if we believe that Natsu was adopted as kid straight by Igneel and then transported to future that becomes inconsistent. The above theory is the only one which fits the known facts. It also explains Silver's comments about flame monster E.N.D.

This is a good theory; I never considered that Igneel would have an actual reason to kill Natsu other than knowing he was END, but you're right, they would have had to had already developed a bond for Igneel to not want to kill him.
I have just been reading through the END theory thread, and they're all assuming that Natsu was END as soon as Zeref revived him because he was a bit rebellious and wouldn't learn, so Igneel had to intervene. Personally the way I read that explanation in chapter 465 was that Natsu was just a normal rebellious kid that couldn't be bothered learning.

I wonder about him having regenerative powers as you suggest, if it's anything like the other Tartaros demons- they couldn't regenerate without hell's core, which was destroyed with the cube thing.

 

[reesestl]

I wonder about him having regenerative powers as you suggest, if it's anything like the other Tartaros demons- they couldn't regenerate without hell's core, which was destroyed with the cube thing.

regeneration would have occurred in early Zeref's time-period. I am guessing at that point they were actively involved with each other and Zeref helped him regenerate.

I have just been reading through the END theory thread, and they're all assuming that Natsu was END as soon as Zeref revived him because he was a bit rebellious and wouldn't learn, so Igneel had to intervene. Personally the way I read that explanation in chapter 465 was that Natsu was just a normal rebellious kid that couldn't be bothered learning.

I also had the same impression.

The big hole in the story is the "something" that happened which turned him into END. Couple of more things one should be able to use are

• Zeref created Natsu so that he could kill Zeref.
• END is revived only when there is very little magic in the world.

SO, 400 yrs ago, after the war, was there a period of significant decline in magic which revived END? ALso, did Zeref have any role in the war?