Discussion New Roles and New Rules Suggestion Thread

[GrySun]

Submissions for new roles need to follow the next format in order to be considered:

I. [Place Holder Name]

II. [Affiliation]

III. [Short Description]

IV. [Long Description/Idea/Premise/Scope]

V. [Priority/RoleType/Interactions/other Specifics]

Spoiler: Examples of Approved roles

I. Troublemaker

II. Town

III. Can once per game make a Day phase lynch be the top 2 voted people instead of regular 1 top voted person. Every player has 2 votes but cannot vote the same player twice.

IV. PMs the host on the night before the day he wishes to use his power on. Host announces at start of day that the 2 top voted players will be lynched.
Everyone gets 2 votes that they can use on 2 individual players. Both can be moved once like usual. Example:
!votekill1 PlayerX
!votekill2 PlayerY
!votelock2 (locks on PlayerY).

Any other format is also fine as long as players specify who they are voting and if it's a new vote or they are changing their first one.

V. Doesn't have a Priority, happens at the end of night after all other actions. Doesn't target another player. Primary role.

Since it happens at the end of a phase, the player can be both blocked and killed to prevent it happening.

I. Psychiatrist

II. Townie

III. The Psychiatrist investigates one person per night phase to see if the player has a Secondary Role. They get a "Your target has a secondary role" if that is the case, and a "Your target does not have a secondary role" if it's not. The Psychiatrist does not find out the allegiance of the target.

IV. It's a counter for scum secondaries without outright revealing them, leaving room for guess work and player reading.

V. Priority 2, Primary Role.

Current roles Approved for testing here

Rules on including those in a game:

• A host can take any of these roles and test them in their game. Depending on results from testing the role it will either be included into the Role list or need more changes/testing.
• A host at the very least has to announce in the opening post of the game that new roles are being tested, or alternatively even more specifically reveal the roles that are being tested.

Link to the last update post with the roles that are either close to approval or were not approved: here.

 

[digitaldude]

Shrink, mafia lawyer and mafia doctor are already rejected. No further comment is needed.

 

[Riku]

I think if Third Party wins the game should end, yeah. Just as the game ends when the first (townies) or second (mafia) party wins...

then the mafia and townies lost to the santa. /end. tu dun dun

That's interesting. Then finding Santa becomes both Town and Mafias 1. priority. Is 5 days enough for singling out a player?

 

[Evil3ye]

Thanks James, I read like the first 1/3, that was actually relevant.

And after reading that, I want to voice why I believe Santa cannot work for the town, but has to be a third party, or else the role is not gonna be functioning:

so, despite the limitation, that Santa doesn't know if he is giving away a good or fucking bad gift to support the Townies, as a pro-Townie role, he can still easily confirm himself, by coming out as Santa Clause, and any disbelievers he can send a gift, to pretty much confirm his own role. I believe, that only a third party Santa would do anything than claiming the Santa role, because he is not only a threat to the mafia, but also the town's people, as he would win the game after sending out all of his gifts. that, the possibility to confirm the role and take out any doubt, i think outweights any possible gain a pro-townie santa can contribute.

and I was thinking of how to implement the "gifts" into the game... like digital, i kinda am against "items" in the game. but what about "temporary secondary roles"... like his 'gift' is an expirable secondary role of the 'doctor', or 'prostitue', or something... i could see that working, except some of the fucking bad gifts.

 

[digitaldude]

Santa is so much work, I see what evil is saying now he can't be a townie, only third party. Lets start thinking of a pool of gifts.

• Penalty vote. This gift varies from 1 day phase to the whole game.
• Must say shit pickle in every post during one day phase or get a penalty vote, up to 3.
• can only make 50 posts max in a day phase or gets host killed. Applies to the whole game.
• Must roleclaim a *insert role here*

those are my ideas, this sounds more like evil santa now.

 

[Hardy]

The third party could easily win and the game could go on (that's what is done with roles like the Jester or the Hunter), dunno why would that be a problem with Santa.

 

[Riku]

Few I came up with. Not sure if usefull though.

• Protection vote (-1 Vote)
• Single use investigation immunity
• Must votelock on first vote
• Shows up as opposite alignment in investigation
• Shows up as opposite alignment if killed

 

[Hardy]

The third party could easily win and the game could go on (that's what is done with roles like the Jester or the Hunter), dunno why would that be a problem with Santa.

Also, this would make the lovers viable.

 

[Evil3ye]

The third party could easily win and the game could go on (that's what is done with roles like the Jester or the Hunter), dunno why would that be a problem with Santa.

there wouldn't be an urge for the town to stop them. they'd be like... meh, who cares about the TP, we keep playing anyway and only mafia is our real opponent

 

[Hardy]

Well, why would the third party be always antagonistic?

 

[Evil3ye]

they aren't. but they have a different goal than anyone else. and I find the others should do anything to stop them from reaching it, just as the mafia or town

 

[digitaldude]

Few I came up with. Not sure if usefull though.

• Protection vote (-1 Vote)
• Single use investigation immunity
• Must votelock on first vote
• Shows up as opposite alignment in investigation
• Shows up as opposite alignment if killed

Bold yes, the others no.

 

[Hardy]

...why lol. It would be interesting to see what would happen. Maybe the third party would side with the town or the mafias, you never know that.

The Jester makes you waste a day phase, it is very antagonistic itself.

The Hunger forces you to kill someone you dont wanna kill (if you are mafia or town, depends), it is already antagonistic and you dont wanna help him.

The lovers could be tricksters that are part of both factions and that you cant trust. You know one of them is mafia so you'll prolly want to get rid of them.

Dunno... doesn't sound bad.

 

[digitaldude]

Jester and hunter are roles in the game or just roles that exist?

 

[Hardy]

Roles that just exist, we never used them.

 

[digitaldude]

Roles that just exist, we never used them.

And never will for reasons discussed here.

 

[Hardy]

And I'm discussing them again '-'

 

[Kat]

Why arent we using the gifts James wrote again?

 

[Evil3ye]

meh, IMO all third parties should be desirable to get rid off asap, not only the serial killer.
if the Santa is not ending the game by winning, he is just gonna get ignored by both other alignments, and honestly, like already mentioned above, that would just lead to the situation that the player would confess his role and confirm if needed. not happening if he acts as game ender.

 

[Kat]

I think the game should end when Santa gives all his 5 gifts ... I mean he can only give one gift per night and usually there are not so many day/night phases anyway

 

[Hardy]

Well I'm not talking about Santa here, I'm talking about third parties in general. It would be a good change imo.

I gotta re-read the entirety of the Santa role. I liked it mostly because of the idea of having items (but, as I said, it's a thing that the host should do, and not just leave it as a role).