Discussion NNT versus thread

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If that’s the case then the DK wouldn’t have powered up when Mel was dying. And even then the DK couldn’t do anything to ban. He barely even managed to pierce his body. And Ban couldn’t even use magic during the fight. Snatch completely ruins any chance base Mel has with how powerful Ban has gotten.


He can’t use DK powers in this fight though. It’s his base vs Ban. Also it leaving nothing makes sense because Wild jumped in before Mel could get hit with a direct blow.


Powerful? They’ve been tanking his attacks for 60+ years. The most wild got out of an attack that he intercepted for Mel in the past was cut wound.

Lol he wasn't dying, the DK needed that those vessel " sleep " in order to truly assimilate the body and use his true Original strength but in Meliodas case, he keeps fighting back and eventually overpowered him completely.
He literally overwhelmed Ban shortly in that despite having a vessel no suitable for his power since Meliodas keep fighting back.

Snatch doesn't change anything like before since Base Mel surclass him already in strength as showed in Purgatory.

Yeah, I know and nope, Meliodas got a full blown before that and he was in a crater way below.

Show me Ban tanking directly his attack at point black in Purgatory then lol.
They were destroyed by shockwave you mean.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

strength but in Meliodas case, he keeps fighting back and eventually overpowered him completely.
He literally overwhelmed Ban shortly in that despite having a vessel no suitable for his power since Meliodas keep fighting back.

Mel was subdued and had to be saved by the sins. Gowther notes that the DK had a power increase once Mel started going under. The exact same thing is going on with Zel in this chapter. Zel is subdued and the DK gained power. But Zel was never totally gone as you’ve been saying.

Snatch doesn't change anything like before since Base Mel surclass him already in strength as showed in Purgatory.

Only Ban was noted by the DK to be able to struggle against his grip. There was no such thing said about Mel so advantage goes to Ban. Mel can parry his attacks, but in the end he can’t keep that up.

Show me Ban tanking directly his attack at point black in Purgatory then lol.

What? Mel tried using revenge counter on the DK. It didn’t work and the DK was about to punch Mel’s lights out. Wild jumped in to tank the blow and only received a cut wound.

 

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Mel was subdued and had to be saved by the sins. Gowther notes that the DK had a power increase once Mel started going under. The exact same thing is going on with Zel in this chapter. Zel is subdued and the DK gained power. But Zel was never totally gone as you’ve been saying.


Only Ban was noted by the DK to be able to struggle against his grip. There was no such thing said about Mel so advantage goes to Ban


What? Mel tried using revenge counter on the DK. It didn’t work and the DK was about to punch Mel’s lights out. Wild jumped in to tank the blow and only received a cut wound.

He was still on the game and not completely subdued, hell, only seeing them and he was back as new again. Even still, not enough as he didn't " sleep " like Zeldoris.

Zeldoris never fought back unlike Meliodas, big difference here.

Ban couldn't get out and Mel saved him before he crushed him, not changing anything since he was immortal but still get saved by Meliodas.

Nope, we never saw Wild tanking any hit, he just protected Meliodas when he was sent flying away.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

He was still on the game and not completely subdued, hell, only seeing them and he was back as new again. Even still, not enough as he didn't " sleep " like Zeldoris.

Zeldris never slept either. He was still talking with Gelda. He only starts closing his eyes once the chapter ends.

Zeldoris never fought back unlike Meliodas, big difference here.

Meliodas stopped fighting back at one point and by that point the DK already got his power increase as noted by Gowther. The past doesn’t matter once he powers up.

Ban couldn't get out and Mel saved him before he crushed him, not changing anything since he was immortal but still get saved by Meliodas.

The DK was underestimating Ban and didn’t even see Meliodas move to save him. Of course he’d get out if that’s the case.

Nope, we never saw Wild tanking any hit, he just protected Meliodas when he was sent flying away.

How do you think he protected him then? He did it by tanking the blow. He didn’t just bleed for no reason and Ban says he took the hit for Mel. This isn’t even up for debate

And for the last part, in 272 Ban takes a strike from the DK and gets his wrist chopped off. The attack doesn't even slow him down and he’s able to save Mel.

 

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Zeldris never slept either. He was still talking with Gelda. He only starts closing his eyes once the chapter ends.


Meliodas stopped fighting back at one point and by that point the DK already got his power increase as noted by Gowther. The past doesn’t matter once he powers up.


The DK was underestimating Ban and didn’t even see Meliodas move to save him. Of course he’d get out if that’s the case.


How do you think he protected him then? He did it by tanking the blow. He didn’t just bleed for no reason and Ban says he took the hit for Mel. This isn’t even up for debate

And for the last part, in 272 Ban takes a strike from the DK and gets his wrist chopped off. The attack doesn't even slow him down and he’s able to save Mel.

I was referring by the end, yes, talking without disturbing the DK and fighting back.

He got an increase in power yes but it isn't near enough compared to when the vessel submit and doesn't fight back, not to mention that he didn't had the time.

Lol what, he had in his hand and laughed at him struggling vainly and Mel forcely take him from him in an instant.

Meliodas already took the blow and fly away in the horizon, what are you talking about? He protected him from another instance that wasn't snowed on screen.

Yes, his arm get chopped like useless when he was immortal, and we knew that kind of injury never stopped him or slow him, moot point.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

He got an increase in power yes but it isn't near enough compared to when the vessel submit and doesn't fight back, not to mention that he didn't had the time.

Which is what Mel did
Did Mel fight back after he lost hope? No he couldn’t get up and had to be saved. The only requirement shown for the DK to get power is that you cannot fight back. Which is what Mel did

As for time, it doesn’t even matter. Even when the DK powered up he couldn’t do anything to base Ban with no sacred treasure or use of his magic. Mel doesn’t have the luxury of having those two things taken away

Lol what, he had in his hand and laughed at him struggling vainly and Mel forcely take him from him in an instant.

And the DK had Mel in his hand and Mel couldn’t even struggle your point? DK didn’t even bother to crush him same as Ban.

Meliodas already took the blow and fly away in the horizon, what are you talking about? He protected him from another instance that wasn't snowed on screen.

No he didn’t take the blow. You need to re-read the chapter. The page is drawn with the fist about to connect to Mel, but it never touches him. Again this isn’t up for debate

Yes, his arm get chopped like useless when he was immortal, and we knew that kind of injury never stopped him or slow him, moot point.

Yeah when weaker foes did it though. This is the DK though

 

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Which is what Mel did
Did Mel fight back after he lost hope? No he couldn’t get up and had to be saved. The only requirement shown for the DK to get power is that you cannot fight back. Which is what Mel did

As for time, it doesn’t even matter. Even when the DK powered up he couldn’t do anything to base Ban with no sacred treasure or use of his magic. Mel doesn’t have the luxury of having those two things taken away


And the DK had Mel in his hand and Mel couldn’t even struggle your point? DK didn’t even bother to crush him same as Ban.


No he didn’t take the blow. You need to re-read the chapter. The page is drawn with the fist about to connect to Mel, but it never touches him. Again this isn’t up for debate


Yeah when weaker foes did it though. This is the DK though

I wouldn't call that saving as he just needed confirmation that they were alive and he was trying to get up before that.
Naw, more like not resisting and completely sleeping.

Lol he did and completely dominated him casually, he couldn't get out until Meliodas fight back again and dominated him. Same in Purgatory when he dominated him and get saved by Mel.

My point is that Meliodas didn't get help to get out, Ban did lol.

It connects to him, it was literally at his face and point blank at the top. It is you who should re read the scene again.

Nope, you misunderstood it, I said that chopping his arm never slowed him down, either it was from weaker or stronger because he was immortal and grow it back instantly lol.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Lol he did and completely dominated him casually, he couldn't get out until Meliodas fight back again and dominated him. Same in Purgatory when he dominated him and get saved by Mel.

Mel didn’t dominate the DK though. Mel blocked a few attacks and had to be saved by Wild

My point is that Meliodas didn't get help to get out, Ban did lol.

Because he used his OG magic. Which he can’t use during this fight because it’s Base Mel vs Ban with magic.

It connects to him, it was literally at his face and point blank at the top. It is you who should re read the scene again.

Dude you gotta reread. By the time the fist is coming we can still see Mel’s shadow on the DK’s fist. If it connected it wouldn’t be possible to see a shadow. The fist comes, Wild jumps in the middle, both get sent flying. Wild didn’t catch Mel or jump in front of another blow. Because
A. It’s impossible for him to jump in front of another blow because Mel was already sent flying and out of distance.
B. If he caught Mel only he wouldn’t be bleeding

 

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Mel didn’t dominate the DK though. Mel blocked a few attacks and had to be saved by Wild

Because he used his OG magic. Which he can’t use during this fight because it’s Base Mel vs Ban with magic.


Dude you gotta reread. By the time the fist is coming we can still see Mel’s shadow on the DK’s fist. If it connected it wouldn’t be possible to see a shadow. The fist comes, Wild jumps in the middle, both get sent flying. Wild didn’t catch Mel or jump in front of another blow. Because
A. It’s impossible for him to jump in front of another blow because Mel was already sent flying and out of distance.
B. If he caught Mel only he wouldn’t be bleeding

I was referring in that instance lol, even still at that time, he still did better than the rest beside kamikaze mode Wild.

I know, still, broke the graphics on Ban and saved him when the DK wasn't serious on it, unlike when he got desperate and grabbed Mel upon his escape.

Dude, that is impossible since the first is literally right into the face, and he got punched. There is no place to Wild in that attack lol.
Re read again, you will see.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Dude, that is impossible since the first is literally right into the face, and he got punched. There is no place to Wild in that attack lol.
Re read again, you will see.

It’s not into the face though. You can see space between Mel and the fist. Again a shadow cannot be present if it connects. That’s impossible. If it’s connected to Mel, then how is a shadow there?

DK wasn't serious on it, unlike when he got desperate and grabbed Mel upon his escape.

The DK couldn’t crush Mel either and even allowed for him to have a whole conversation with Ban. Odds are he just wanted to keep him trapped in purgatory, which is why Ban said he would come back. If the DK wanted to use force against Mel he would’ve.

 

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It’s not into the face though. You can see space between Mel and the fist. Again a shadow cannot be present if it connects. That’s impossible. If it’s connected to Mel, then how is a shadow there?


The DK couldn’t crush Mel either and even allowed for him to have a whole conversation with Ban. Odds are he just wanted to keep him trapped in purgatory, which is why Ban said he would come back. If the DK wanted to use force against Mel he would’ve.

What shadow are you talking about again?

Well, he never tried to " crush " him, just grabbed him and tried to pull him back.
He tried to crush Ban and Meliodas forced him to open his hand from his grasp in an instant lol.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

What shadow are you talking about again?

Well, he never tried to " crush " him, just grabbed him and tried to pull him back.
He tried to crush Ban and Meliodas forced him to open his hand from his grasp in an instant lol.

At the bottom left you see Mel and you see his shadow. The Dk goes to punch Mel and it's that opening that Wild uses to jump into and save Mel. It has to be this way because there are no other attacks that Wild can shield Mel from because Mel goes flying over the horizion after that so it's impossible for the DK to launch anything else at Mel

As for ban, if he was trying to kill him he wouldnt have been underestimating him.

 

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At the bottom left you see Mel and you see his shadow. The Dk goes to punch Mel and it's that opening that Wild uses to jump into and save Mel. It has to be this way because there are no other attacks that Wild can shield Mel from because Mel goes flying over the horizion after that so it's impossible for the DK to launch anything else at Mel

As for ban, if he was trying to kill him he wouldnt have been underestimating him.

Yes, you can see that Wild is literally blown by the shockwave.

I thought so, that is just your assumption lol.
Nowhere you see Wild taking the punch, it was Mel and he was blown away into the horizon.

He didn't try to kill him, he never trying during those 60 years actually, but moot point.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Yes, you can see that Wild is literally blown by the shockwave.

Thats not the shockwave from the DK's fist that's the Shockwave from revenge counter.

Nowhere you see Wild taking the punch, it was Mel and he was blown away into the horizon.

Of course we don't see him taking the punch because Nakaba draws it that way to create suspense. However, Ban says he shielded Mel from that attack and that's the only attack he has time to shield Mel from.
He doesn't shield Mel from any prior attacks because he has no damage on him and he can't shield Mel from any attacks afterwards because Mel isn't even there. Which attack do you think Ban says he shielded Mel from?

 

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Thats not the shockwave from the DK's fist that's the Shockwave from revenge counter.


Of course we don't see him taking the punch because Nakaba draws it that way to create suspense. However, Ban says he shielded Mel from that attack and that's the only attack he has time to shield Mel from.
He doesn't shield Mel from any prior attacks because he has no damage on him and he can't shield Mel from any attacks afterwards because Mel isn't even there. Which attack do you think Ban says he shielded Mel from?

I know which is literally a second after the punch lol.

We saw him getting the blow directly and blow away into the horizon, what blow him away then?
Your point doesn't even make sense with the sequence of the action.

He probably shielded him before the punch.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

We saw him getting the blow directly and blow away into the horizon, what blow him away then?
Your point doesn't even make sense with the sequence of the action.

He probably shielded him before the punch.

We don’t see him take the blow. After that all we see is Mel go flying which means wild can be in between him and the fist

Mel launches revenge counter. It doesn’t work. The fist comes towards Mel, Wild jumps in the middle to act as a cushion for the blow and goes flying off with Mel.

He can’t shield him before the punch. We know this because he has no damage on him and the DK only launches three attacks that entire fight. A lightning attack, a fire attack and then his punch. Wild didn’t block the lightning and we see him watching on the ground

 

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We don’t see him take the blow. After that all we see is Mel go flying which means wild can be in between him and the fist

Mel launches revenge counter. It doesn’t work. The fist comes towards Mel, Wild jumps in the middle to act as a cushion for the blow and goes flying off with Mel.

He can’t shield him before the punch. We know this because he has no damage on him and the DK only launches three attacks that entire fight. A lightning attack, a fire attack and then his punch. Wild didn’t block the lightning and we see him watching on the ground

Obviously that he took the blow otherwise what made him made that face of a someone taking a punch lol.

We never saw Wild jumping or moving, he wasn't even looking at the panel, no way that he cross all that in an instant lol.

Wild probably protected him when he landed, he probably get sent flying right after Mel as usual.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

We never saw Wild jumping or moving, he wasn't even looking at the panel, no way that he cross all that in an instant lol.

Wild probably protected him when he landed, he probably get sent flying right after Mel as usual.

We don’t see him moving because Nakaba changes the angle. That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen though.

As for why Mel made a face- there’s a giant pig shielding him from a punch. It’s the same thing as an airbag it’ll hurt regardless

Look at the end of the day Ban says Wild shielded Mel from the DK’s attack. 2/3 he didn’t shield him from so the only one it can be is the fist. He didn’t catch Mel because he’s bleeding obviously and he didn’t take another attack afterwards because that’s not what Ban says. He got the wound from shielding Mel, not from fighting the DK by himself. He can’t shield Mel if Mel isn’t even there

 

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We don’t see him moving because Nakaba changes the angle. That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen though.

As for why Mel made a face- there’s a giant pig shielding him from a punch. It’s the same thing as an airbag it’ll hurt regardless

Look at the end of the day Ban says Wild shielded Mel from the DK’s attack. 2/3 he didn’t shield him from so the only one it can be is the fist. He didn’t catch Mel because he’s bleeding obviously and he didn’t take another attack afterwards because that’s not what Ban says. He got the wound from shielding Mel, not from fighting the DK by himself. He can’t shield Mel if Mel isn’t even there

Naw, we clearly didn't see any sign of him, zero angle, zero clues lol.

Nope, nothing like that happened, he took the punch when he saw Wild looking away during the same moment.

Ban never said that it was that attack tho, you are assuming that it was that punch.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Naw, we clearly didn't see any sign of him, zero angle, zero clues lol.

Nope, nothing like that happened, he took the punch when he saw Wild looking away during the same moment.

Ban never said that it was that attack tho, you are assuming that it was that punch.

Yeah because the angle was changed on purpose so that we wouldn’t see it. The art shows Mel zoomed in it’s impossible to even see the punch connect but we know it did even though we didn’t see it. This isn’t the first time this has happened. Wild when he was introduced was able to move so fast that we don’t see him sneak up on Mel. That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Wild by no means is slow

I’m not assuming it was that attack. It’s literally impossible for it to be any other attack. There’s 3 attacks that the DK launched. Two of them we see wild on the ground watching the fist is the only one that wild did not sit back and watch. If Ban says he shielded Mel from an attack he shielded Mel from an attack