Discussion Official Baam Discussion Thread

[0Xellos]

Well considering phanta is one of the top 5 exis out there, and he has the power to destroy the tower itself, range shouldn't be too much of a problem. I'd actually say it's pretty likely he will somehow feature in the story, think it was stated somewhere that Urek came into the tower to look for phanta and considering how Urek will almost certainly play a key role later on, I find it hard to believe that phanta won't be featured at all.

If Baam was at the bottom of the Tower and Phanta was at 134F... whatever, we don't know how big the Tower is, so talking about range is pointless anyway.

I think SIU mentioned TOG isn't TUS, thus Exis won't play a role. The fact that Phanta's Exis makes ppl think "what if Baam becomes an Exis and his adversaries move to a higher level?" (DBZ direction) so he made clear that's not gonna happen - and I like that, because I didn't like the extreme gradation of power levels in DBZ.

 

[shaheer]

I think range wont matter for phanta since SIU said he can destroy the whole tower easily so i think creating a space around him to control can stretch all around the tower if he wants.

 

[salvatore022]

yuri hates phanta?? ....i dont know what u think guys but the way i see it yuri got interested all the irregulars since she survived from phanta, i think her guide mentioned something in the beginning(i cant remember)when they where coming to the first floor where baam was

 

[abc1233]

yuri hates phanta?? ....i dont know what u think guys but the way i see it yuri got interested all the irregulars since she survived from phanta, i think her guide mentioned something in the beginning(i cant remember)when they where coming to the first floor where baam was

Well she called Phanta a scumbag so yeah, it's likely that she hates him

 

[Mr. Arashi]

Guys, do you think Baam learned the special technique of Mazino when they fought?

I'm really waiting for him to do that, and in front of a princess better!

 

[Reclaimer]

Guys, do you think Baam learned the special technique of Mazino when they fought?

I'm really waiting for him to do that, and in front of a princess better!

SIU said he did but he won't use it because he is embarrassed about its name.

 

[Mr. Arashi]

SIU said he did but he won't use it because he is embarrassed about its name.

Damnit D; i didn't read that, thanks.

I fine if he learn Koon nº2's Espada de Luz, anyway xD

 

[niblack89]

I believe Baam is the prince. If anyone paid attention in the wall of Baam's cave was a Zahard symbol. The reason he locked his son up is simple. He probably has sex with one of his daughters, breaking his own rule and Good Evening knew how powerful Baam could become. The king is probably the only person that knows how to get in and out of the tower so he locked Baam out the tower in hopes he'd never see his son again. Baam has the power of Zahard and he was raised on the outside of the tower.
I believe FUG knows this and when the king wakes up he'll find Baam and want to kill him in doing so he'll go after Baam and his friends. Baam's friends are the only thing that would make Baam kill. This is why FUG will let Baam climb the tower with his friends.

 

[KHAN]

Judging by the the fact SIU has been such an unpredictable writer, I find it difficult to believe that he would make Baam the son of Zahard as it would very cliche. In addition, I feel like it wouldn't be all that interesting. I just feel that there are more creative reasons for Baam's existence...

1. Baam is the son of Eurasia Enne Zahard and Phantaminum

Baam was born secretly to Enne and Phantaminum. (We know that the Eurasia family have very good control (It can be assumed that Yuri is not the only one that is associated with the irregulars). Upon hearing of such a child, given that he would have the power of both a Zahard and an irregular, Zahard probably sealed that child away and kept him under surveillance from a safe distance. The secret of Baam might have been told to Zahard by Yuram Zahard, which would explain why Eurasia killed. Her anger with Baam being taken away probably led to her killing rampage. And upon her being sealed away, Phantaminum's anger with losing both of them may have led him to attack the kingdom, only to finally reach Zahard, but leave him for Baam to finish off

2. Baam is the living evidence of Enryu's ability to create life.

For people in the tower to say that Enryu had the ability to create life, such power either had to be demonstrated for the public to see or a very credible source would have had to been the act and spread the word. Imagine if Enryu had the power as well as the imagination to dream up and create a being more powerful than either himself or Phantaminum, and this was seen by Zahard, the child would be sealed away. (In addition, such a reason for his existence would make sense as Baam being made of shins should allow him to control it amazingly well, in addition his obtaining of the thorn should becomes all the more satisfying.

3. Baam was created by the creator of the tower in order to free the tower from the rule of the Zahard.

One could imagine that the person who created the Tower, appointed the guardians, and created shinsoo must also be powerful enough to create a being much stronger than any irregular could ever be. Although abundant in creative but not skilled in combat, the creator may have found that this is the best solution to beat King Zahard. Then, in order for him to have the power to kill Zahard, he made him an irregular, leaving him outside the tower. And, as far fetched as it seems, such a story would make Baam seem to be somewhat of a Christ figure.

Now, please understand that these are just predictions as none of us have enough information to make any assumptions about Baam's birth

 

[Bhoot]

Hello KHAN , welcome to mangahelprs

Ill add my own speculation :
Baam is in fact the floor guardian itself that was supposedly killed by Enryu . As such Enriyu used his power to convert the floor guardian as per his request to become an irregualr to kill the person he despised the most : Zahard .
As such it would explain how Baam picks up Shinsoo manip so easily and all the different manners to exploit it too .

I know u already speculated this , I just tried to combine them into one .

 

[EmperorSpriggan]

Well ive been thinking about this for a while, after what ha jinsung said(the guy who teached both karaka and baam martial arts) that he might come for his seat one day if he rejoins FUG.

There might be a possibility that baam will end up re-joining in FUG at some point in the future of this manwha.

Reasons:

1. Koon(or Khun) will betray him cuz he wants to become family leader of the koons and he cant be seen with a irregular

2. Karaka kills rachel this makes baam snap.

3. Baam snaps just cuz of the thorn and becomes evil.

There is alot of other possibilities he might even want to grant Hwa ryun and Ha Jinsungs dreams because they have supported him more then anyone.

Also Mirchea gave baam the name Jyu Viole Grace (and Mircheas last name is Grace) so i guess those two has a big connection.

Also there is the possibility that Zahard king guy comes after him and he is forced to become like Phantanium(the irregular who killed alot of people inside the palace and then dissapeared).

But im just betting my money on that baam will become a Slayer in the end (since he will beat Hoaquin(White) anyways).

 

[Jammin]

It's an interesting thought. I'm going the other way on this one, I think.

I'm thinking of FUG as more and more of a midboss. He's only a part of FUG as long as they can keep him. With their influence on him fraying more and more until ultimately he breaks completely free of them. As an irregular I'm expecting him to eventually be too big for them. As long as he's not a true believe in FUG's philosophy then he will never really be a Slayer in anything other than name alone.

As long as he's got connections to people like Koon, Androssi, Yuri, and Yihwa he's never going to be a FUG believer either. And I can't imagine any of those people betraying him, honestly.

 

[EmperorSpriggan]

Jammin i guess ur right at this too, but you never know what will happend he might even become like Phantanium like i said ... but its true when he hits B or A rank he will be to big for FUG to touch him anymore, that connection might even end in this current arc cuz of Yuri snapped when she heard about him being a slayer nominee (she might kill all the fug cuz of this .. cuz u know she loves him or well likes him)

But in the end Baam will either be in FUG or be like Mirchea create his own organization be a big boss over something maybe he joins Wolkhaiksong? who knows

I hope he joins Wolkhaiksong(Wing tree) cuz of Urek mazino that would be epic and team up with him

 

[syx]

I doubt Baam will ever willingly join FUG. He will only go as far as his ideals and morals allow him for FUG and only as long as they have leverage.

FUG's plan to use Baam is flawed in every possible way. In the end, they will end up dead regardless if Baam manages to kill Zahard and the Family Heads or not. How can they truly believe to control Baam in the future? Even with leverage, there is no way someone would let himself be used for eternity, especially not if you become one of the most powerful beings in the Tower. The methods FUG used and uses to "win" Baam over to their side will let them fail in the long run.

Just look back at all those chapters we read so far. Neither Zahard nor any Family Head gave Baam a real reason to hold a grudge against them. Instead of forcing Baam to kill them, FUG should have - in a subtle way - made Baam think of them and/or their system as an enemy, so that he decides for himself to go against Zahard and the Family Heads.

I don't think Baam has a close relationship with Mirchea. I would even go so far that he didn't even met Mirchea (personally). But that's just my assumption. Anyway, Baam being named after Mirchea doesn't indicate that they are close. If anything, it just shows the importance of Baam for FUG.

Also, I fail to see why Baam would want to grant Jinsung and Hwa Ryun any wishes? They never supported him in any way. Jinsung trained him for his and FUG's own interest, Hwa Ryun guided him for her and FUG's own interest. That's not support, that's taking advantage of someone else. Not to mention that Hwa Ryun even plotted against him in Season 1. Any other realistic written character would either kill such a person or stay away from her/him. Baam made it clear over and over again that he doesn't want to have anything to do with FUG.

As Jammin said, Baam will only be a Slayer by name.

 

[EmperorSpriggan]

syx .. lets be honest here Zahard and the 10 families are more cancerous to the tower then FUG tbh also Ha jinsung arent a bad person tbh he only killed the branch family cuz he was going to lose his loved one and i can support that fact and the reason why he joined fug is cuz of that she died ... u can clearly see ha jinsung loves baam as his son even and i dont think baam hates him either nor hold any grudges agaisnt him same goes for hwaryun

 

[Jammin]

Jammin i guess ur right at this too, but you never know what will happend he might even become like Phantanium like i said ... but its true when he hits B or A rank he will be to big for FUG to touch him anymore, that connection might even end in this current arc cuz of Yuri snapped when she heard about him being a slayer nominee (she might kill all the fug cuz of this .. cuz u know she loves him or well likes him)

But in the end Baam will either be in FUG or be like Mirchea create his own organization be a big boss over something maybe he joins Wolkhaiksong? who knows

I hope he joins Wolkhaiksong(Wing tree) cuz of Urek mazino that would be epic and team up with him

Anything is possible. Him joining Wing Tree seems pretty likely to me but I have a hard time imagining a future where FUG is anything but an adversary. They kind of dug their own graves, so to speak.

He has the desire to be free of them and since he's an irregular eventually they just won't have the strength to stop him eventually. Now that Yuri is aware of Baam's situation they already might not have the strength to stop him. Yuri herself maybe powerful but the real threat from his is probably the allies she could bring down on FUG. Allies strong enough to make Jinsung and the head of FUG crawl into a hole and hide.

I'm kind of doubtful he will be completely free of them this easily but it's worth noting that his role in this arc goes against both factions in FUG. Jinsung tried to forbid him from going and the crew supporting White wants him dead. He's already rebelling and he's only going to do that more as he realizes more of his own potential.

syx .. lets be honest here Zahard and the 10 families are more cancerous to the tower then FUG tbh also Ha jinsung arent a bad person tbh he only killed the branch family cuz he was going to lose his loved one and i can support that fact and the reason why he joined fug is cuz of that she died ... u can clearly see ha jinsung loves baam as his son even and i dont think baam hates him either nor hold any grudges agaisnt him same goes for hwaryun

Zahard and the 10 families don't seems like the good guys that's for sure but I'd say FUG has proven themselves to be far worse from Baam's perspective. Most of the bad things Zahard's done are distant and vague. Baam's seen FUG cheat and try to murder his friends. Zahard hasn't done anything like that...yet.

I think they will one day but so far the Zahard empire has been relatively good to him.

 

[EmperorSpriggan]

Jammin do u think baam will be stronger then Urek mazino or equal? .. i would love to see a fight between the two whem baam is a ranker.

Also since he just walked revolution road he is alot stronger and probly equal or greater then White so we all know white will loose now

 

[Jammin]

Jammin do u think baam will be stronger then Urek mazino or equal? .. i would love to see a fight between the two whem baam is a ranker.

Also since he just walked revolution road he is alot stronger and probly equal or greater then White so we all know white will loose now

I think ultimately he will be stronger but also that once characters like that reach a certain level of ability words like "Stronger" and "Weaker" don't mean as much. When battles like that are done well it becomes more fluid, Eventually, though, I do believe he is going to have to fight someone in the top 3. Those ranked over Mazino.

Rank 1 - Phantaminum
Rank 2 - Enryu
Rank 3 - Zahard

Which of those would you like to see him take on?

 

[EmperorSpriggan]

I think ultimately he will be stronger but also that once characters like that reach a certain level of ability words like "Stronger" and "Weaker" don't mean as much. When battles like that are done well it becomes more fluid, Eventually, though, I do believe he is going to have to fight someone in the top 3. Those ranked over Mazino.

Rank 1 - Phantaminum
Rank 2 - Enryu
Rank 3 - Zahard

Which of those would you like to see him take on?

Enryu wont fight bam since he inherited his power(the thorn) he will probly help him out stabilizing the power of the thorn to 100%.


Zahard will probly come in a later arc when he finds out baam is getting to know the princesses (Yuri anak and androssi) but i dont think they will fight unless zahard wants to kill him cuz he is a irregular and are afraid of him.


Phantanium i would love to see them fight but no one knows were he is .. but lets hope they all get to fight baam


But the fight im most hyped about is Baam vs Karaka!

 

[syx]

syx .. lets be honest here Zahard and the 10 families are more cancerous to the tower then FUG tbh also Ha jinsung arent a bad person tbh he only killed the branch family cuz he was going to lose his loved one and i can support that fact and the reason why he joined fug is cuz of that she died ... u can clearly see ha jinsung loves baam as his son even and i dont think baam hates him either nor hold any grudges agaisnt him same goes for hwaryun

How come you think Zahard and the Family Heads are more cancerous to the Tower than FUG? There is literally no evidence for such a claim and my intention here is not to defend Zahard and the Family Heads. Most complaints aimed at them come directly from people affiliated with FUG, so their view should be taken with a grain of salt, since SIU never gave us a detailed inisght about Zahard, the Family Heads and their politics. On the other hand, we have FUG forcing, threatening, hurting and taking captive kids to fulfill their goals.

Again, I'm not a Zahard and Family Heads defender, even though it may appear so. They surely are shady in their own way. I'm just saying that there is not a single shred of information regarding their point of view and this is what I actually need to proper judge them. At this point, they made no move whatsoever against Baam, if I recall correctly. In that regard, FUG is on a whole different level for now.

Ha Jinsung doesn't seem to be a bad person, because in contrast to the other batshit crazy FUG guys, he seems almost normal. He shows some kind of respect towards Baam and there are even some panels where he seems to feel sorry for him. Furthermore, he never tried to kill Baam unlike Karaka and the other FUG members who take every opportunity to get hold of Baam like a tool/weapon.

The fact that Baam holds no grudges against Hwa Ryun or Jinsung is because he is a shounen-ish main character and thus not written realistically every time. These guys made Baam's life a living hell, literally.


By the way, Phantaminum being an Axis and able to destroy the whole Tower instantly excludes him as an enemy for Baam.