Discussion Official Baam Discussion Thread

[kkck]

I thought about this but then ruled this out. I am certain that at some point arlene and V's data was indeed within the hidden floor. However based on what we were told zahard went out of his way to have people forget about arlen way back in the day. This was thorough enough that most people in the tower don't even suspect her existence. If zahard was thorough enough with this then her data along with V's was probably erased from the hidden floor. That said, it is impossible to actually rule out her data being there, I just think it is not a likely scenario.

 

[Jammin]

I re-titled the thread for clarity. And also to prevent anybody misunderstanding and posting spoilers here at some point; which we don't allow outside the chapter specific spoiler threads.

Love the topic though. It actually never occurred to me that his parent's data could be here but, now that you mention it, it would almost have to be.

So I think he will meet them at some point. It's not impossibly Zahard could have had them scrubbed from the system but I sort of doubt that he has. After all, he never killed V even though he probably could have. Instead V killed himself.

 

[Ripcord]

My thinking is that their data IS there, or at least one of them is and this is the precious thing that Gustang wants.

Since Baam is being lined up to be Zahard’s greatest weakness I would guess that V or Arlene would be related to that somehow.

That being said, I think it’s to early for us to meet them. SIU seems to be slowly revealing even the known family heads. I think it’s more likely we don’t even meet all the ten family heads at all here, let alone V or Arlene.

This assumes everyone looked into the mirror. I can’t guess why one of them wouldn’t but since this is after Zahard’s awakening a split with V may have already begun and his data may not exist here.

 

[kkck]

I re-titled the thread for clarity. And also to prevent anybody misunderstanding and posting spoilers here at some point; which we don't allow outside the chapter specific spoiler threads.

Love the topic though. It actually never occurred to me that his parent's data could be here but, now that you mention it, it would almost have to be.

So I think he will meet them at some point. It's not impossibly Zahard could have had them scrubbed from the system but I sort of doubt that he has. After all, he never killed V even though he probably could have. Instead V killed himself.

We don't really know why zahard didn't kill V. He was cruel enough to kill arlen's baby after all. I don't see this guy sparing V out of some camaraderie sense TBH. I would be more inclined to think the two of them managed to either escape or zahard spared them so that they would suffer.... Or some other baby-murderer level of cruelty at least.

 

[Sakashi]

I re-titled the thread for clarity. And also to prevent anybody misunderstanding and posting spoilers here at some point; which we don't allow outside the chapter specific spoiler threads.

Love the topic though. It actually never occurred to me that his parent's data could be here but, now that you mention it, it would almost have to be.

So I think he will meet them at some point. It's not impossibly Zahard could have had them scrubbed from the system but I sort of doubt that he has. After all, he never killed V even though he probably could have. Instead V killed himself.

I see, Thank you. And yes it is indeed possible that they can meet o.o

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Honestly, I think that Zahard tried to erase everything about them but there are still stuff that can't be erased and one example is the diary of Arlene. The diary is an example that shows that Zahard hasn't erased everything yet and this also leads to the posibility that both V and Arlenes data are still alive on the Hidden Floor. I don't think think that it's possible to kill a data on the hidden floor because the dead respawn again on that floor? Or am I wrong? The people getting killed on the Quarantine is an example of that because in the latest chapter we were told that they would respawn again.

 

[kkck]

I see, Thank you. And yes it is indeed possible that they can meet o.o

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Honestly, I think that Zahard tried to erase everything about them but there are still stuff that can't be erased and one example is the diary of Arlene. The diary is an example that shows that Zahard hasn't erased everything yet and this also leads to the posibility that both V and Arlenes data are still alive on the Hidden Floor. I don't think think that it's possible to kill a data on the hidden floor because the dead respawn again on that floor? Or am I wrong? The people getting killed on in the Quarantine is an example of that because in the latest chapter we were told that they would respawn again.

what I understood was that zahard had basically erased people's memories and then tried to get rid of as much evidence of her as he could. But while he could erase most people's memories the physical evidence of her existence is trickier.

 

[Ripcord]

what I understood was that zahard had basically erased people's memories and then tried to get rid of as much evidence of her as he could. But while he could erase most people's memories the physical evidence of her existence is trickier.

Two questions stand out in my mind. How does Hansung Yu know about V? The best place to have met V would have been on the HF. Since this is Hansung’s regular data from when he first cleared the train, he can’t have met V any higher up the Tower. And I can’t think of any place lower in the Tower that information would have been stored... unless the GoG or FUG has something to share.

If Hansung has met V on the HF then V has to be at the first stage, unless his data was moved, because Hansung hasn’t gone beyond meeting Eduan... or at least it seems that way.

 

[kkck]

Two questions stand out in my mind. How does Hansung Yu know about V? The best place to have met V would have been on the HF. Since this is Hansung’s regular data from when he first cleared the train, he can’t have met V any higher up the Tower. And I can’t think of any place lower in the Tower that information would have been stored... unless the GoG or FUG has something to share.

If Hansung has met V on the HF then V has to be at the first stage, unless his data was moved, because Hansung hasn’t gone beyond meeting Eduan... or at least it seems that way.

Who knows... it is not impossible he would know however his source in whatever case would have had to be extraordinary. I doubt yu hang sung is even old enough to have meet V or arlen back in the day TBH. My guess would be, naturally, fug as it is fairly clear yu hang sung would have been a very promising regular when he was climbing the tower however we can't rule some other big shot telling him or perhaps him having found physical evidence of arlene on his own.

I still doubt Bam will find his parents here. I can't rule it out however I do think the most likely scenario is that their data was long forgotten and deleted.

 

[Sakashi]

Two questions stand out in my mind. How does Hansung Yu know about V? The best place to have met V would have been on the HF. Since this is Hansung’s regular data from when he first cleared the train, he can’t have met V any higher up the Tower. And I can’t think of any place lower in the Tower that information would have been stored... unless the GoG or FUG has something to share.

If Hansung has met V on the HF then V has to be at the first stage, unless his data was moved, because Hansung hasn’t gone beyond meeting Eduan... or at least it seems that way.

I don't think that Hansung have meet V or Arlene due to how old they are and also I think that Hansung doesn't even know who V or Arlene is.

 

[Jammin]

Two questions stand out in my mind. How does Hansung Yu know about V? The best place to have met V would have been on the HF. Since this is Hansung’s regular data from when he first cleared the train, he can’t have met V any higher up the Tower. And I can’t think of any place lower in the Tower that information would have been stored... unless the GoG or FUG has something to share.

If Hansung has met V on the HF then V has to be at the first stage, unless his data was moved, because Hansung hasn’t gone beyond meeting Eduan... or at least it seems that way.

That's an interesting line of thought. It's not impossible that FUG could have told him about V and Arlene. Since they are so anti-Zahard and involved in the whole thing. This would likely be the only place where even data clones of those people could still exist.

Though I'm still not sure if this young Hansung is even FUG yet in his own personal timeline. He seems like he hasn't taken that dark turn yet but it certinaly wouldn't surprise me if he's putting on an act either. I don't think that would be out of character for his older self.

 

[Demonspeed]

No, he won't. He will meet their datas . Most of them should be together, Eduan is the exception.

Even if he doesn't meet both, he will probably meet at least one of them.

 

[Jammin]

Since I started thinking about this topic I can't help be consider the possibility that he'll find Zahard and his mom living happily together in this world.

Because the cause of everything was Zahard's jealousy and unrequited love right? As far as we know nobody actually wanted what happened to actually happen. It would be pretty interesting if they end up finding a what-if scenario of what would have happened if things had gone differently.

 

[Brian Taboada]

The HF was at one time one dimensional. It was not until later that the HHF added the layer to separate themselves from the regulars who come in. We dont know when this was done. However, it can be guessed that YHS came later otherwise he would be privy to the HHF. So my guess would be that he knows V from FUG. However, when Baam successfully broke open the door, with this, and while looking at Baam, Han Sung mentally noted, "I knew it. This is the guy! V..." The only problem is this would seem to imply that YHS actually met V or seen him in action unless he we go back to "FATE" which I (along with Rachel) hate. So how did YHS gain this knowledge of V while he was merely a D rank regular? He must have met him and the only place could be the HF which would mean that V is on the HF and not the HHF. Crazy!

 

[shaheer]

I was so hyped that the leader who will help hansung was V that i would have said Yes before. Now that i know its Khun, i am not really sure. I can be sure that Baam will get to know about the 2 a lot more. Given how gustang responded after he said he wont talk about V. Iirc he said dont worry you ll get to know about him later (paraphrased).

 

[Ripcord]

I was so hyped that the leader who will help hansung was V that i would have said Yes before. Now that i know its Khun, i am not really sure. I can be sure that Baam will get to know about the 2 a lot more. Given how gustang responded after he said he wont talk about V. Iirc he said dont worry you ll get to know about him later (paraphrased).

I think at best you can say that what a Gustang meant is that Baam will learn about V because the path that Gustang is leading Baam along (to go against Zahard) is V’s path and so it’s inevitable Baam will learn about his father. That being said, I do believe the HF is the best place for Baam to meet his dad.

 

[jjrock01]

I believe there was a rule that if someone who had previously cleared the train and recorded their data in the mirror returned to the mirror, then their data would be erased. Zahards data still exists, so he never returned to the mirror which means he couldnt have erased Baams parents data. I agree with some that the HF is the best place to meet his parents.

 

[Ripcord]

I believe there was a rule that if someone who had previously cleared the train and recorded their data in the mirror returned to the mirror, then their data would be erased. Zahards data still exists, so he never returned to the mirror which means he couldnt have erased Baams parents data. I agree with some that the HF is the best place to meet his parents.

I believe the rule is that you can never update your data, so it is frozen as the first time you cleared the train and I believe because you “synchronize” with it you forget that you had been there before.

Still interesting thought that Zahard might not be able to erase any data. He didn’t have to come do it himself.

I wonder if the dual worlds idea is less about Zahard not being generally harassed as it is that he can hide his secrets. Whatever thing Zahard is guarding, that is probably why the hidden floor within the hidden floor was created. And I hope you’re right that it is Baam’s parents data. We shall see.

 

[Sakashi]

I believe there was a rule that if someone who had previously cleared the train and recorded their data in the mirror returned to the mirror, then their data would be erased. Zahards data still exists, so he never returned to the mirror which means he couldnt have erased Baams parents data. I agree with some that the HF is the best place to meet his parents.

In the latest chapters we saw that Yu Han Sung mentioned V and when it comes to this you may also be right. Jahad maybe erased the data of Baams parents but how does Han Sung know V? That is the real question here. This also leads to the posibility that V's data is alive and maybe Arlene's aswell. Who knows? The only thing we can do right now is to wait and see if their data is on the Hidden Floor or not.

 

[Sakashi]

Alright, first we're going to talk about the cave that Baam was in and about Rachel. I'll be sharing a link that has a lot of information, details and theories.
http://rptog.proboards.com/thread/78/baams-cave-hypothesis?page=1

Baam and Rachel

''Well, there are 2 options. Either he was sent there by zahard, hence his crest in the cave. Or by someone else, but who? The workshop? Also, who's Baams mother and father? Is he a son of Enryu? Or some irregular, hence he's hated and put in the cave as punishment? How else could he control shinsoo so well and be compatible with Enryu's thorn? And most interesting... Rachel was forbidden to see him. I argue that the hand pulling Rachel's hair could be one of two options. There is a third one: It was Baam, but I don't see any evidence other than the fact we have only seen Baam and Rachel (and a 2nd girl) in the cave. My first option is that someone pulled Rachel away from Baam, because she is not allowed to see him. The reason I don't think it's Baam pulling her is because she's looking straight foward. She's looking at Baam. Which leads me to the second option. Is she yelling at baam to run away? Maybe she is not being pulled away from Baam, but just being attack by someone trying to kill or punish Baam. The ingenious part is that SIU draw her looking to a side. She's not looking to us, nor can we see the back of her head. Meaning either baam was hidden (but I doubt it), or just that SIU doesn't want to reveal if it's baam pulling her, her looking at baam, or if baam is hiding somewhere (which I still doubt and don't don't it as an option)'' - Ouro.

As mentioned, someone pulled Rachel's hair and the real question is who can it be? We know that Baam and Rachel was alone in that cave and nothing more than that. We know that Rachel somehow came in to that cave later on but what was the real purpose for her to come in? Did she know about Baam? And now back to the question about who were pulling Rachel's hair again. Who can it be? Ouro mentions some options but the only one I can think of is the third one. Maybe it was Baam that pulled her hair? The reason to why I believe this is that Rachel is afraid of the night and the ''25th Baam'' is translated to the ''25th Night''.

The next thing that I want to talk about as mentioned by Ouro is that why the cave is near the entrance to the Tower? Why is someone like Baam trapped in a cave that is so close to the door to the tower? Was Baam feared by someone and got trapped inside that cave or does someone want Baam to climb the tower? Even Headon the administrator of the first floor wasn't suprised when Baam entered? He even said himself that he had been expecting him? And even SIU mentions in his blog posts that the first floor spoils the story of TOG.

Furthermore, we know about people that are called ''axis''. And up until now we only know about one and that is Phantaminum. No one knows where he came from or how he became an Axis user or where he is right now. It is stated on the TOG Wiki (http://towerofgod.wikia.com/wiki/Axis) that an Axis needs to awaken it's power but how do you awaken a power of an axis? The only way I can think of is to climb the tower and get to the last floor and then when you awaken the power you destroy the tower and become free? SIU stated that when someone awakens as an axis he or she destroys everything around them so that's why I think that you need to destroy the tower. That is the only way to get out.

Enryu
SIU also stated that after killing the administrator on the floor of death Enryu dissappeard and Headon is searching for him. But why is Headon searching for Enryu? is it because Headon is the only administrator that can pop up on all the floors of the tower and need to keep the rules in check or is it because he wants something from Enryu? SIU mentioned before that Enryu can be seen as a op character. Almost like someone with a ''cheat'' which leads me to believe that Headon wants to know where that power maybe comes from? As far as we know Enryu is the only Irregular who have killed a administrator.

Also as I mentioned earlier, when Baam came in to the tower Headon was expecting him right? And right now in the story Baam has the thorn that has the power of the Irregular Enryu in it right? Maybe Headon stopped searching for Enryu and got his sight on Baam right now that he knows that Baam has the same power as Enryu? This will also lead to Headon getting information about that power by observing Baam.
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A quick thought, in one of the TOG synopsis I read before starting the series it mentioned that baam was a prisoner living below the tower. Taking that into consideration he must be someone to be frightened of. Someone greater than Urek, enryuu and all the other irregulars cause the change baam brings can probably threaten the very existence of the tower. But if baam is indeed a prisoner wouldn't there be people after him? I mean his original captors that is. I think there is another strong group waiting to be unveiled in the shadows similar to FUG but more like the keepers of the tower or something. Someone built the tower and someone maintains it. That someone also imprisoned baam assuming that the synopsis got it right. - BleachXVI

Honestly, I think that this is Baam's universe and he is an Axis. He will awaken his power and destroy his universe. And the reason to why I believe this is that SIU shows a lot of ''Universe'' pictures in the first chapters of TOG.

 

[kkck]

Based on what we have been told these are my guesses:

Arlene made it out of the tower but she didn't get back to her original world. She got to the world where the cave is which is outside the tower but not somewhere where she can see stars from. We know she didn't get the stars she wanted because she apparently communicated this to rachel.

Arlene made it out of the tower but her mental state was severely deteriorated after this. She placed a spell on bam's corpse to preserve it and V killing himself probably did nothing for her.

With that in mind, I would think the cave is simply bam's tomb. A somewhat insane arlene made a tomb for her child and while at it built a ton of zahard symbolism.

Rachel probably knew arlene and if not arlene at least her history and grew infatuated with it. And due to this she learned of the tower and the role bam was going to play in it. She eventually got to bam's tomb and miraculously found a living bam. She might or not have had something to do with his revival. In a relatively short time (very long for a "newborn" bam) she taught him to read and write. Arlene was most likely dead by the time bam entered the tower.
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Some time ago someone posted pictures of SIU's earlier works where SIU mentions the axis' in more detail. Axis where IIRC feared, if not hated, people for their vast power. And also humanity had very advanced technology, they were capable of interplanetary (or more) travel. With this in mind it is entirely possible that arlene's objective was to return to her space colony or something where she could see stars. And the place where the cave was located could have been a planet from which the sky couldn't be seen but for some reason the tower could be accessed from it. I guess it is possible the tower can be accessed from multiple planets. Another interesting bit in that work was that there was a place "students" went to where there were many towers which were said to be mysterious. Though no clue as to how this could relate to our tower other than by the tower word. There being many towers is weird after all. Specially as in this case the towers were actual towers.