Discussion Official Baam Discussion Thread

[Sakashi]

Note: Don't take this seriously. This is just a theory.

Alright, Let's begin. I will start this theory by mentioning some things about Jesus:

1. What a prayer life Jesus experienced! He was in constant communion with His Father and often got up early in the morning to talk with God. Mark 1:35 says, "Very early in the morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up, left the house and went off to a solitary place, where he prayed." Do you enjoy constant fellowship with God?

2. Sacrifice - Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice! He gave His life so that we (sinful beings) can spend an eternity in heaven with Him. He provided His life - the ultimate sacrifice of His life - as a free gift to all who will believe! 1 John 2:2 says, "He [Jesus] is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world."

3. Jesus gained a lot of followers.

Doesn't these 3 remind you of the 25th Baam? Bam always wakes up early in the morning or night to watch the sky. He even sacrifices himself for everyone and forgives easily. Furthermore, he gains more and more followers the more he climbs which also reminds of Jesus. Siu even stated that Christianity will be included in Tower Of God. ''Father, son and the holy spirit'' Doesn't this remind you of TOG? Bam is the son, The father is V, and the holy spirit is whatever is inside Baam.

Furthermore, if you go back to the beginning in Tower Of God, you see bam using the same clothes and hair as Jesus.

 

[shaheer]

You guys are reading too much into a manga.

 

[Ripcord]

Note: Don't take this seriously. This is just a theory.

Alright, Let's begin. I will start this theory by mentioning some things about Jesus:

1. What a prayer life Jesus experienced! He was in constant communion with His Father and often got up early in the morning to talk with God. Mark 1:35 says, "Very early in the morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up, left the house and went off to a solitary place, where he prayed." Do you enjoy constant fellowship with God?

2. Sacrifice - Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice! He gave His life so that we (sinful beings) can spend an eternity in heaven with Him. He provided His life - the ultimate sacrifice of His life - as a free gift to all who will believe! 1 John 2:2 says, "He [Jesus] is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world."

3. Jesus gained a lot of followers.

Doesn't these 3 remind you of the 25th Baam? Bam always wakes up early in the morning or night to watch the sky. He even sacrifices himself for everyone and forgives easily. Furthermore, he gains more and more followers the more he climbs which also reminds of Jesus. Siu even stated that Christianity will be included in Tower Of God. ''Father, son and the holy spirit'' Doesn't this remind you of TOG? Bam is the son, The father is V, and the holy spirit is whatever is inside Baam.

Furthermore, if you go back to the beginning in Tower Of God, you see bam using the same clothes and hair as Jesus.

Well we do know that Rachel likely originates from the Bible and if Bam was really resurrected then that’s another similarity.

You guys are reading too much into a manga.

I wouldn’t be too harsh about it. Christian themes have been in many other works, movies (like Neo from the Matrix), books, comics. I think the idea that SIU borrowed ideas from Christian themes isn’t far fetched. Still I wouldn’t say Bam is Jesus, though the two of them have similarities. For example, Jesus took others’ burdens on himself and showed kindness even to enemies, sounds a lot like Bam.

 

[Jammin]

Maybe a little. At least in the sense that SIU is borrowing bible symbolism now and again. The resurrection in the cave being an obvious example.

In a more general sense, I think not. I don't think Baam is a "sacrifice" so much as is a "revolution". I don't think he's so much a distillation of selfless love as he is an innocent and uncorruptable person.

 

[kkck]

When bam first made it to the floor of tests he was taught how to make a shinsoo contract. The administrator was kind enough to point out that to bam contracts weren't strength, they were shackles. But the meaning of that remained unclear.

Many chapters later we learned that because bam is an irregular he doesn't need to form contracts with administrators to use shinsoo. Which is a fairly important bit of information which bam got 43 floors too late.

Anyways, bam ended up making contracts with basically every guardian up to the 43rd floor (except headon and the dead one of course) so what does this mean for him? These are really contracts which don't help him at all. When it comes to regulars they make contracts which grant them a number of privileges. The most important ones seem to be of course permission to use shinsoo and that even includes how much shinsoo they can use. Looking at people like elaine, who was by any measure extraordinarily talented, her growth seemed to have halted at the name hunt station. Of course she was powerful for a d class regular but she was also the oldest person there by far, she spent there 1000 years. Which seems to be more time than regulars take to climb the tower. But yet she didn't become a ranker... I would argue that her lack of contracts with guardians from higher floors limited the shinsoo she could use and by extension her growth.

So, is there a chance that the contracts bam got are actively causing him harm? So far it doesn't seem to be the case but there might be more to this. Or perhaps the consequences will be suffered as he climbs further up the tower.

And a freebie here, we know zahard made a contract with every guardian of every floor he conquered. What could those contracts be? He didn't need them for shinsoo control of course so what did he get out of this? We know that at times he got immortality for instance but it doesn't seem likely that he would have gotten that every floor. Or that there even was something to get from every guardian....

 

[Demonspeed]

We don't know if Baam made contracts with the others. I don't think he did. And even assuming he does, I don't believe they will harm him in the future.

 

[kkck]

We don't know if Baam made contracts with the others. I don't think he did. And even assuming he does, I don't believe they will harm him in the future.

Bam just learned that he didn't need to make contracts back at the floor of death. Isn't it reasonable to assume he made a contract at the past floors simply because he was taught to do so?

 

[Jammin]

I think that was to explain the nature of contracts and to foreshadow some stuff about them. Stuff that's not going to be about Baam, honestly.

As an irregular he doesn't need contracts to begin with. So I doubt FUG was handing him over to administrators on every floor on the way up. They would have known he doesn't need one. He only got his freedom back fairly recently.

So I don't think we have much reason to believe he's been doing it off panel all the way up the tower. Especially since we haven't seen him do it a single time since then. It probably doesn't even occur to him to do it anymore.

 

[zikhali]

We don't know if Baam made contracts with the others. I don't think he did. And even assuming he does, I don't believe they will harm him in the future.

I too don't think they could harm him or limit his use of shinsoo, especially now with the thorn and red thryssa.

 

[Demonspeed]

Bam just learned that he didn't need to make contracts back at the floor of death. Isn't it reasonable to assume he made a contract at the past floors simply because he was taught to do so?

No, I don't think he learned that on the FoD, and even Urek was limited there. He learned that he was an Irregular and about certain things they can do early so he must have understood that making contracts was pointless before or during his training with FUG.

 

[shaheer]

Anyways, bam ended up making contracts with basically every guardian up to the 43rd floor (except headon and the dead one of course) so what does this mean for him? These are really contracts which don't help him at all.

I think if one doesnt use Admins permission to use shinsoo and masquerades around with shinsoo much apart from some occasional use like once or twice in duress the admin will see him as a threat and will try to eliminate like the admin tried to do with Enryu.

We know there is a lore that Urek can use shinso or used shinso without admins contract (thought we didnt see that to be the case in 43 rd floor but may be there is a difference between using shinsoo when shinsoo is around you while you dont hace contract and using shinso when an admin is actively trying not to allow you to do so and only the thorn/admins power of bam can use in both case while Urek can do so in case 1).

 

[kkck]

I think if one doesnt use Admins permission to use shinsoo and masquerades around with shinsoo much apart from some occasional use like once or twice in duress the admin will see him as a threat and will try to eliminate like the admin tried to do with Enryu.

We know there is a lore that Urek can use shinso or used shinso without admins contract (thought we didnt see that to be the case in 43 rd floor but may be there is a difference between using shinsoo when shinsoo is around you while you dont hace contract and using shinso when an admin is actively trying not to allow you to do so and only the thorn/admins power of bam can use in both case while Urek can do so in case 1).

I doubt that, the whole point here should be to specifically give irregulars the opportunity to use shinsoo without restriction. The admin tried to stop enryu but it wasn't because he was using shinsoo without permission but rather because he showed up and started wrecking the floor. Admins tend to intervene when sufficiently strong people are being reckless. Jinsung ha was at the regular area back at the workshop battle arc and he stayed there until the admin started getting grumpy for instance. Aguero wondered why the admin wasn't stopping yuri and karaka from fighting... Aguero's words would make it seem like under normal circumstances the administrator would stop a fight that placed regulars or regular areas at risk.

 

[kkck]

This is something that has been on my mind for a bit so I figured I'd make a thread about it.

As far as we know 10 family members tend to enjoy a number of privileges within the tower. Perhaps the most important would be that contrary ordinary tower residents they are born with the ability to use shinsoo thanks to contracts their families have with administrators. But it is far from their only privilege.

We know for a fact that members of the 10 families on average also have substantially higher physical strength than ordinary people. Of course, you can have cases where a member of the 10 families are weaker than ordinary regulars in terms of sheer physical capacity but that is why the keyword here is average.

Now, when it comes to bam he was effectively born from people comparable to the 10 families. Wouldn't that make it really weird that his physical strength is so low? With his birth you'd think that bam's physical capacity should be something like about average. Maybe it could even be on the low end compared to other members of the 10 families but low end for the 10 families should still have bam being at least better than the average tower climber in that regard. Unless Arlene and V were absolute bullshit when it comes to physical strength.

That said, it sounds somewhat off to me that both arlen and v would be bullshit at this. We have seen very little of arlen of course but in turn we have seen that V carried a needle which is generally a close range weapon. A needle is a versatile weapon but it also does not seem like this is the weapon of a wave controller. And it is at least not the weapon of a lightbearer. I would argue V would have to be something between fisherman and scout. Both of which require physical capacity in order to withstand hits. As far as we have seen zahard when he fights uses overwhelming physical strength and powerful shinsoo blasts... But his punches actually seem more dangerous than his shinsoo blasts. Perhaps with V the situation is similar except that V has stronger shinsoo blasts than he has punches. This would also fit with them having opposite personalities. If this is the case then bam absolutely has somewhere to inherit substantial physical capacity from.

So why hasn't bam developed his physical strength to any meaningful level? I would argue it is simply because bam doesn't have the same talent for physical strength as he has for shinsoo hence his body development simply doesn't keep up with his shinsoo. If bam is average compared to 10 family members physical strength wise it is reasonable that it would take him a mostly average time to become as physically strong as them.

 

[shaheer]

i guess both V and Arlene were weaker (physically) than their mates for this to happen. Bams abnormality in shinsoo i guess is a give away that their specialty was insane shinsoo power.
I doubt Bam will get raw physical strength augmentation in future (apart from what grows naturally ) that would be overkill. Bam can 1 hit KO most of the charas we saw in the past by now apart from the high rankers and Karaka Lero ro and few other rankers. imagine him having physical strength AND this much powerful control. Even Urek isnt this broken.

 

[Sakashi]

I know I've been spamming lately about Enryu and I promise I will stop when we get to know more but for the mean time I can't stop thinking about him and what he did on the 43rd floor but what makes everything more interesting is how he enters the tower and disappears without a trace and that's why I wanted to make this thread.

So when I was searching for the 25th Bam on google I came across a post on Reddit that the name ''Purelilith'' posted. I don't know if she/he came up with this theory or if she got it from somewhere else but I'll give her credit for it because I got it from her so let's go.

• Theory:

''It is said that there is a possibility for Bam to be Enryu. That Enryu maybe made a copy of himself or something like that. It can be true, since he was trapped in a cave. Why related with the cave? When Bam was talking with Rachel, Bam stated that it feels like he did a very bad thing before and him trapped in a cave is a punishment, and a consequence for what he possibly could have done. This can explain why the needle(Enryu's spike or whatever) accepted him, because he was the original owner. When he was going to the floor of death( the floor Enryu killed whatever and made the floor cover in pool of blood) Bam mentioned that it felt like he was going to where he truly belongs... If this theory is true, it explains why he can control so many waves at the same time compared to others. I don't really think much of this one but this is one of the theories made.''

So first of all, I want to talk about what the name ''Enryu'' means. I searched a bit on google and found a site with a meaning to this name and here it is:

• According to a user from Pennsylvania, United States, the name Enryu is of Korean origin and means "The one who leads".
• According to a user from India, the name Enryu is of Unknown origin and means ""the one who leads"".

So the name Enryu means ''the one who leads in korean'' and the first thing that got on my mind when I read this was Baam. The reason is simple. Everyone that has read the TOG story up until the latest chapter knows that everyone wants to follow Baam but the motives to why they follow him are different. Some people like Rak and Khoon has been with him since the beginning and felt like he was something else, and when I say something else I don't talk about Baam's power. It's more like that he has something that makes people want to believe in him, to have faith in him, to stand by his side no matter what for who he is. Furthermore, I can also mention that not everyone thinks the same like Rak and Khoon does. Some believe that if they follow a irregular like Baam with exceptional powers they don't have to worry. My point is to show that everyone follows him for different reasons.

Now to continue even further, Let's talk about the cave and what Baam told Rachel and also the red guide that has been showing the path for Baam since the beginning. As mentioned in the theory we know that Baam told Rachel that it feels like he did a very bad thing before and him trapped in a cave is punishment for him which would make sense if Baam was Enryu before he became Baam and it would also make sense that the Thorn accepted Baam of all people because he is simply Enryu the messenger of god. This would also explain why Baam looked like Jesus in the cave...he is simply the messenger of god. Furthermore, I want to talk about Headon. it is said on the Tower of God wiki that Headon is searching for Enryu but I think that he already found him and not to mention who trapped Baam inside that cave. I don't think it was Headon but someone else and this person can maybe be Jahad but the recent spoilers confirmed that Jahad killed him when he was young so what did really happen? Who was the person that trapped Baam inside that cave? Was it the god from the outside? Also when Baam enters the tower he is already expected by Headon which also made me think that if Baam is Enryu then Headon has already found him a long time ago and this also explains how Headon already knew that he would enter later but this theory has flaws since there is no proof of Enryu being Baam yet.

Furthermore, the red guide that keeps showing Baam the path is rather very strange. She has mentioned several times that he must get stronger and also that the path he walks is not just any path..it's a special path. She also told Evan that he can't read Baam's path because it is special as I mentioned earlier. The real question we should be asking here is who is that red guide? also that red hair, It looks similar to Enryu who also has the same hair colour.

Furthermore, when Baam came to the floor of death he said that he felt like home there. This made me think about that If Baam really is Enryu then it makes sense since he attacked the floor and killed Jahad's men and also the administrator that were on Jahad's side. But this also has a flaw. It is said that Arlene gave birth to her child at the floor of death which would also make sense since Baam feels like it's his home. But, what if Arlene gave birth to Baam after the incident at the floor of death where Enryu killed everyone? Then Jahad tracked her down and killed the child which lead to Enryu placing his power in the thorn and created shinsu with life so that the baby didn't die and became a part of that baby O.O.

Finally, It is stated by SIU that Enryu can create life with shinsu and what if that life was Baam? He created life with his shinsu and became that life...this just sounds weird but it can maybe be possible XD.

 

[Jammin]

Stronger relative to who? That would be my question.

I could definitely see him getting as stronger than 10 families members like Koon, Yihwa and such. Not to the degree of being on par with Ha Clan people or Princesses. I just feel like that's not his focus. Baam's a shinsoo technique guy. So in terms of base physical strength he probably won't ever be that sort. So I'm thinking above average but not top tier.

The only qualifier I'd put on that is if we're including strength relating to shinsoo. Because using body reinforcement I'm sure he's going to be a bruiser.

 

[Demonspeed]

Baam's physical strength should be good even now. But his physicals abilities are nothing special compared to the best, the members of the Ten Families even disregarding Zahard and Ha families.

Baam's talents are clear, I don't see why he would suddenly get better than the average 10 Families member physically. He has his powerful Shinsoo strengthening. Leesoo used an item which blocks Shinsoo on him to beat him before, A.A relied on his inferior physical abilities to beat Nemesis Viole. But the thing is that with the Thorn, all of Baam's abilities are stronger, that's because of the Thorn that he defeated Leesoo's teammate IIRC. The Thorn solves the physical ability issue and it boosts his Shinsoo even more. He is different from people gifted with high physical abilities.

 

[shaheer]

But the thing is that with the Thorn, all of Baam's abilities are stronger, that's because of the Thorn that he defeated Leesoo's teammate IIRC

It was the incomplete thorn type ignition weapon that they merged with bam not the thorn itself. He got the Thorn after the workshop arc(or in the end of that arc) and by which time lesso and co already knew of Bam being viole and Koon being alive.

 

[Demonspeed]

It was the incomplete thorn type ignition weapon that they merged with bam not the thorn itself. He got the Thorn after the workshop arc(or in the end of that arc) and by which time lesso and co already knew of Bam being viole and Koon being alive.

You are right, but it worked the same way.

 

[kkck]

Stronger relative to who? That would be my question.

I could definitely see him getting as stronger than 10 families members like Koon, Yihwa and such. Not to the degree of being on par with Ha Clan people or Princesses. I just feel like that's not his focus. Baam's a shinsoo technique guy. So in terms of base physical strength he probably won't ever be that sort. So I'm thinking above average but not top tier.

The only qualifier I'd put on that is if we're including strength relating to shinsoo. Because using body reinforcement I'm sure he's going to be a bruiser.

I don't expect bam to ever have physical strength comparable to a koon or zahard princess. The koon family is quite insane in that regard, data eduan was able to exchange punches with data zahard... My suggestion is that bam should be about average for the 10 families. Which is a lot more than he has now but much less than what ran, aguero or androsi can get.