Discussion Official Zeref Thread

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Hi! I'm new but...um Zeref discussion anyone?

welcome to MH!!!
you know something tells me zeref is involved with future rouge some how...

as far as zeref being a dragon slayer

i am thinking he uses god slayer magic not dragon slayer

 

[Zasz]

Welcome on MH kitten.
About Zeref, I too think that he could very well be a DS and if it's not so, it obvious that he has some connection with them.

 

[Rarhyx]

what if zeref is actually a god dragon slayer or dragon god slayer...?

^^'

 

[danzouismadara]

Zeref and dragons

I think Zeref became obsessed with dragons and tried to created his own but instead he created demonic monsters.

 

[IVovacane]

I'm still trying to figure out what Zeref's authority is. He turned Acnologia into a dragon so he must be affiliated with the dragons.

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I think Zeref became obsessed with dragons and tried to created his own but instead he created demonic monsters.

But he made acnologia into a dragon.

 

[mars0103]

do you think that zeref is natsu's biological father. also that he had a relationship with marvis that resulted in natsu

 

[Nizen]

Well, it does seem like some people are confused from the fact that Zeref is emperor Spriggan. Honestly, I did feel it came out of nowhere but i gave it a thinking and for me, now it makes perfect sense. This is what I came up with:
- The question that was raised a couple of chapters ago when Arvalez was introduced was why didn't they attack when FT was defunct or 8 years ago when they were weak? The answer's Natsu. Since Zeref was the emperor, he was certainly worried that carelessly raiding FT would hurt Natsu. And when they were kinda killed 8 years ago, it would feel unfair. Somehow Zeref must've known Natsu would live when Fairy Sphere was activated and stealing FH would not contribute to his "despair" since Makarov would shut any attempt of Natsu going for revenge to retrive it. He also might've not known about the disbanding of FT until lately, since only after learning that he wants to go for FH
-And why doesn't anyone know he is emperor Spriggan? It might be because he's like Gildarts, i.e. a nomad, for once he's here for a moment and then he's gone. And yes, it is also because he has an alias "Spriggan" that only works in Arkatacia and in Ishgar, it's only for name sake.

(I'm adding that it might've been Zeref himself who activated Sphere in tenroujima. Since he finally saw Natsu there, he might've been formulating a plan to end everything, ACNOLOGIA, HUMANS and HIMSELF by putting it all together and hence planning a 'FATE' for Natsu. This is also because he has shown interest in FH not so long ago.)

 

[Fox666]

Re: Zeref is Emperor Spriggan?

I am more willing to believe the author is just making up stuff as he went on. I.e. Leia admits she knew Luke was her brother all along, despite kissed him in the first movie.

 

[DemonKing888]

Re: Zeref is Emperor Spriggan?

We still don't know what Fairy Heart is or what it can do.

scenario 1

Maybe it could break the seal on Natsu's book maybe it is the seal on Natsu's book. If this was the case maybe Zeref hasn't felt the need to go after Fairy Heart because Natsu wasn't ready to become E.N.D

scenario 2
Fairy Heart is like a super Nuke and Zeref only now wants it because now he truly wants to destroy the world and everything in it being alive for 400 years could of drove him mad.

scenario 3
Zeref now wants to save Mavis from her eternal sleep.

As for why Zeref seem cool about the fact Natsu almost died on tenrou island, well Natsu's been dead before Zeref could just patch up his brother's dead body. Zeref has noting but time, this could also explain why Natsu was seamlessly dead in the two future timelines because Zeref could care less how many times Natsu dies he could just bring him back to life when he's ready to fight him. For all we know maybe Natsu and Zeref have been fighting for centuries with Zeref always killing Natsu for being too weak.

As to why Ishgar didn't realize Zeref was Emperor Spriggan, well how many people know what Zeref looks like other then Fairytail, not many have lived to take or draw a picture of him they know him by name not by face. No one from Ishgar has ever been able to make it to Albareth alive and back in till now.

 

[Holt]

Re: Zeref as Emperor Spriggan is logical

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Edited the Thread title to fit with the purpose of the thread~ Holt

 

[Nizen]

Re: Zeref is Emperor Spriggan?

As for why Zeref seem cool about the fact Natsu almost died on tenrou island, well Natsu's been dead before Zeref could just patch up his brother's dead body. Zeref has nothing but time, this could also explain why Natsu was seamlessly dead in the two future timelines because Zeref could care less how many times Natsu dies he could just bring him back to life when he's ready to fight him. For all we know maybe Natsu and Zeref have been fighting for centuries with Zeref always killing Natsu for being too weak.

The thing is, it took Zeref a lot of hard work to bring Natsu back to life. I doubt Natsu has been killed ever since being revived. When was it mentioned that Natsu and Zeref were fighting for centuries? Apparently they've never laid hands on each other for who knows how long. Maybe Natsu can't be revived if he dies again. Who knows what happened to Zeref in the other timelines. I'm not too sure whether he survived in Future Lucy's and in Future Rogue's he might have been starting a rebellion against Acnologia by raising another mega empire. We're also not sure whether Rogue is from pre-Alvarez time or the time during the happenings of Ragnarok. He did indeed say Natsu was killed by a dragon that was not Acnologia (see what i did here? ) And Zeref probably hasn't killed his little brother ever since his rebirth. He doesn't seem like that psychotic type of brother to me. If he really was cool for the reasons that you stated, then how come all team tenrou were alive on that island? Besides if Natsu was ever to be revived again, they both would have to start over with Zeref again trying give him more despair.

There might be another reason for how Natsu has lived for this long, I think Layla Heartfilia and Eclipse might have a role to play in this.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Re: Zeref is Emperor Spriggan?

The thing is, it took Zeref a lot of hard work to bring Natsu back to life. I doubt Natsu has been killed ever since being revived. When was it mentioned that Natsu and Zeref were fighting for centuries? Apparently they've never laid hands on each other for who knows how long. Maybe Natsu can't be revived if he dies again. Who knows what happened to Zeref in the other timelines. I'm not too sure whether he survived in Future Lucy's and in Future Rogue's he might have been starting a rebellion against Acnologia by raising another mega empire. We're also not sure whether Rogue is from pre-Alvarez time or the time during the happenings of Ragnarok. He did indeed say Natsu was killed by a dragon that was not Acnologia (see what i did here? ) And Zeref probably hasn't killed his little brother ever since his rebirth. He doesn't seem like that psychotic type of brother to me. If he really was cool for the reasons that you stated, then how come all team tenrou were alive on that island? Besides if Natsu was ever to be revived again, they both would have to start over with Zeref again trying give him more despair.

There might be another reason for how Natsu has lived for this long, I think Layla Heartfilia and Eclipse might have a role to play in this.

Daaaaaaaamn dude. I totally forgot that he didn't specify what dragon killed Natsu. There could be more Dragons, or maybe one of the 12 Shield is a Dragonshifter. I think that Natsu has been alive this long because of that crystal thing Zeref had him in, back in Chapter 436. He could've been in that for centuries until Igneel finally decided to take him out of it.

 

[Nizen]

Re: Zeref is Emperor Spriggan?

Daaaaaaaamn dude. I totally forgot that he didn't specify what dragon killed Natsu. There could be more Dragons, or maybe one of the 12 Shield is a Dragonshifter. I think that Natsu has been alive this long because of that crystal thing Zeref had him in, back in Chapter 436. He could've been in that for centuries until Igneel finally decided to take him out of it.

Well, i am assuming that Natsu's body was kept inside that crystal for centuries while END lived as a demon until he was converted into that book and his soul was transplanted into Natsu's body with his memories wiped out, then he was handed over to the half-dead Igneel who had fought with END 400 years ago and lost. I might be over thinking this.
Hiro might as well keep things simple and say Layla Heartfilia's death was no more than a coincidence with the disappearance of the dragons on the same date.That way Lucy and the DS can relate that they lost 'something' together, while technically that's not the fact.

 

[ayanami000]

fairy tail spriggan 12

what can you say about the spriggan 12 of zeref? do you think fairy tail can win easily against them?

 

[MangerDan]

Re: Reasons why Zeref as Emperor Spriggan is logical

Some sort of time travel definitely would've been involved considering natsu and gajeel couldn't get past freed's runes. Natsu is confirmed to be 400 years old, but gajeel is a different story we all think it's because of the dragon being inside him, but what if all the natural slayers are from 400 years in the past I doubt the dragons lived for 400 years with out a soul just hiding since they died 20 minutes or so later after coming out of the slayers. Seems a bit dumb for them to wait all that time and waste their life force when they could've just gone after acnologia and might've had a chance considering how strong igneel was even in a half dead state.

 

[Skywvrd]

Lumen Histoire = Fairy Heart = Mavis

As far as we know, Zeref had dropped Mavis' dead body in front of the guild so that Precht could encase her in a lacrima.

Then, when Precht was resigning as a master, Precht told Makarov about it.

Then, when Makarov was temporarily resigning, he showed Lumen Histoire to Gildarts.

Ivan, who is one hell of a sketchy bastard, also knows something about it but only the 'Lumen Histoire is the darkness of the Fairy Tail' part.

Maybe Mavis herself has told Zeref about it, which seems probable and improbable at the same time (beautiful contradictions ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°))

Or maybe since Zeref can apparently teleport with ease, one day, on one of many of his adventures, he stumbled upon the guild's basement, passing through non-existent security control and saw the main attraction with his own eyes.

And one more thing. Is August a zombiefied Precht aka Hades or is it just a coincidence that they look basically the same?

 

[Fox666]

I would guess Hades told someone of even Zeref himself about it.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Its most likely Hades has leaked information here and there and Zeref has caught word of it.
Zeref can't see or actually communicate with Mavis' thoughtform, so Zeref would either of heard of Fairy Heart from Ivan or Hades. Ivan most likely heard about it from Hades.

 

[metsujin]

His empire tried to invade Ishgar 10 years ago for it... so pretty sure someone told him what the purpose for that attempt...

 

[AlphaIkaros]

Isn't Hades the same person as Precht?...

I guess Hades must have told Ultear (who was possessed by Zeref) about the Fairy Heart. Or that suspicious guy from the last chapter of FT Zero told Zeref about Fairy Heart...