Chapter One Piece Chapter 1115 Discussion

[Kuroiyaiba]

I believe it was oars race. Not giants. I could be wrong.

I think rather than for all the Ancient Giants (Oars‘ race), the epithet Continent Puller was only used for Oars as an individual.
The name made me theorise about lost continents like years ago. But recently I found out that his japanese name is kunihiki which roughly translates as nation/country puller.

Thank you. Beat me to it!

You‘re welcome. I happened to (fast)reread the chapter searching for ruins of the AK in Hachi’s coverstory.

 

[Australopithecus]

The world is about to sink to the sea, and Nojiko is going to check on her garden? Wtf! lol

 

[OmegaChan]

The world is about to sink to the sea, and Nojiko is going to check on her garden? Wtf! lol

I thought that's suspicious. Was asking myself whether she uses it as an alibi to get away and do something in secret. Suddenly Oda decides to made the irrelevant side character important. Perhaps.

 

[McNuss]

I thought that's suspicious. Was asking myself whether she uses it as an alibi to get away and do something in secret. Suddenly Oda decides to made the irrelevant side character important. Perhaps.

Is Netherlands pun.

 

[M3J]

I'm pretty sure some of this pacing with the reaction shots from around the world are being done to consolidate this tankoban into a cohesive volume. Wouldn't be the first or last time I've seen a weekly author do that. One thing that does strike me as interesting is who we're *not* seeing react to this yet.

Couldn't Oda at least have Vegapunk talk while showing us reaction shots? Some info like one of the characters mentioning something relevant to what Vegapunk is revealing?

Who?

Put like this, it almost seems that there were large pieces of land attached to the Red Line.

I wonder if the two lines are what caused the water rise, and if doing something can get it back down.

Honestly I get what you mean about filler panels but I don't think that's the case this time. Vegapunk is dropping a world wide bombshell on everyone. Only getting the Strawhats reactions when the only one that actually cares is probably Robin? Oda get a pass in my opinion. We need to see the world's reaction to this news or the payoff falls flat.

First few pages were, but after that we got reactions AND Vegapunk explaining, and that's the minimum I want. Move the story along, and just showing reactions barely did that. Vegapunk continuing to tell us what's going on actually gives us relevant stuff in the story, especially when we mostly see people either be shocked or refuse to believe Vegapunk, with some being stoic.

They were definitely bad kings.

Donquixote family owned Dressrosa 900 years in the first place.
They made the Tontatta tribe their slaves.
So, they're definitely evil.

As far back as only 200 years ago, Fishmen were seen as Fish, they were not recognised as people. SO, that means the WG only stopped being slightly racist to the Fishmen meaning they've been fully racist even as far back as the Void Century.

The 20 Kings have always been evil people, that's why they consider themselves gods. The exception would be of course, the Nefeltari family.

Furthermore, Joyboy left a message with the Fishmen 800 years ago saying he will help them live on the surface and live like normal people instead of under the sea where there's barely any sunlight.
If the WG were good people 800 years ago, the Fishmen wouldn't have needed Joyboy to live in harmony with humans in the first place.

Oh right!

Plus, didn't Cobra say the family did not become part of the 19 kings due to issues with them? Or am I likely remembering incorrectly? This chapter's got me wondering tons of stuff and seeing things a bit differently now.

The world is about to sink to the sea, and Nojiko is going to check on her garden? Wtf! lol

I mean, what do you expect her to do? She's probably not going to stress about things out of her control or has faith that everything will work out.

 

[669ako]

Couldn't Oda at least have Vegapunk talk while showing us reaction shots? Some info like one of the characters mentioning something relevant to what Vegapunk is revealing?

Who?


I wonder if the two lines are what caused the water rise, and if doing something can get it back down.


First few pages were, but after that we got reactions AND Vegapunk explaining, and that's the minimum I want. Move the story along, and just showing reactions barely did that. Vegapunk continuing to tell us what's going on actually gives us relevant stuff in the story, especially when we mostly see people either be shocked or refuse to believe Vegapunk, with some being stoic.


Oh right!

Plus, didn't Cobra say the family did not become part of the 19 kings due to issues with them? Or am I likely remembering incorrectly? This chapter's got me wondering tons of stuff and seeing things a bit differently now.



I mean, what do you expect her to do? She's probably not going to stress about things out of her control or has faith that everything will work out.

Like cobra saying in chapter 1084 1085

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Oh right!

Plus, didn't Cobra say the family did not become part of the 19 kings due to issues with them? Or am I likely remembering incorrectly? This chapter's got me wondering tons of stuff and seeing things a bit differently now.

They are the only ones who didn't go to Mariejois, so Imu has hated that family ever since, that's right.

Im pretty sure that all of 19 kingdoms (not including five elders) are not aware of existence of Imu, not even Gods kinghts. Knowing that one person betray the pact of allied nation, there will be a lot of world nobles raise their hands against WG.

The truth Vegapunks going to tell the world is the existence of Imu. Everyone in WG including marines will question they ideals from now.

What I am curious about now is what families do the Gorosei come from, are they 5 of the 20? And how did they become Gorosei?

The 20 founding families should know of Imu, unless Imu faked his death among the other 20 family leaders, that's wild.

 

[zetsu banned]

They are the only ones who didn't go to Mariejois, so Imu has hated that family ever since, that's right.



What I am curious about now is what families do the Gorosei come from, are they 5 of the 20? And how did they become Gorosei?

The 20 founding families should know of Imu, unless Imu faked his death among the other 20 family leaders, that's wild.

Makes me wonder how the Nefertari family and the fishmen royal family actually got accepted to Reverie and not just casually wiped out. Whatever happened in the Void Century, Imu and his lackies were clearly heavily nerfed from what I assume were their days of wiping out the Lunarians of all people.

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Couldn't Oda at least have Vegapunk talk while showing us reaction shots? Some info like one of the characters mentioning something relevant to what Vegapunk is revealing?

Who?

Yes and it does suck it's being drawn out like this. At the same time, it's one of those fleeting annoyances that aren't really going to matter after this arc is done, y'know? Egghead is going to be awkward to read all at once, but honestly Oda's overall pacing has been crazy breakneck for most of Egghead so I'll let him stall out the clock for a while.

The Revolutionaries are what immediately came to mind for me. I've never put reader expectation into Dragon doing anything, except around now seems most appropriate. The arc began with Shaka's phone call to Dragon, it's going to be time to pay that off soon.

 

[mattiaildivino]

I don’t know if anybody else already stated this, but did you notice that Saturn’s releasing CoC too? Just like Mars, he is also appearing in one panel with snails falling down and we can notice 2 black thunders from him. This makes 3 out of 5 Gorosei, and I bet Venus has got it as well. At this point, it’s more likely that all 5 of them are capable of using CoC at a proficient level.

 

[zetsu banned]

I don’t know if anybody else already stated this, but did you notice that Saturn’s releasing CoC too? Just like Mars, he is also appearing in one panel with snails falling down and we can notice 2 black thunders from him. This makes 3 out of 5 Gorosei, and I bet Venus has got it as well. At this point, it’s more likely that all 5 of them are capable of using CoC at a proficient level.

I actually really like the designs of the Gorosei and their transformations but I'm still kinda bummed we get mythical zoans (?) after an arc with an all zoan crew. And to add on top of that, doubling down on CoC which is really, really repetitive.

 

[kkck]

I actually really like the designs of the Gorosei and their transformations but I'm still kinda bummed we get mythical zoans (?) after an arc with an all zoan crew. And to add on top of that, doubling down on CoC which is really, really repetitive.

I wonder if there's something more to their abilities though. As far as i can tell there are two weird points regarding their abilities so far, one that the textbox with their ability was not how oda usually introduces devil fruits.... It just mentions the type of demon each one is. The other weird thing is that they are all larger than giants.... It's just strange to me that this is a group of not only mythical devil fruits but also giant ones as well.

 

[CharlosTenryuubito]

They are the only ones who didn't go to Mariejois, so Imu has hated that family ever since, that's right.



What I am curious about now is what families do the Gorosei come from, are they 5 of the 20? And how did they become Gorosei?

The 20 founding families should know of Imu, unless Imu faked his death among the other 20 family leaders, that's wild.

Five elders are most likely come from known families, or at least they must have their house/clan names. Maybe it was like some people of families volunteer themselves to do some work instead just doing tenryubitoos stuff, same thing also applied to Gods knight.

The same generations of 20 families must know each other including Imu, the problem is its been hundred of years gap that every descendants of the families are not knowing about it unless they have written document about old days (which could be a taboo). The exception is Nerona familiy.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Five elders are most likely come from known families, or at least they must have their house/clan names. Maybe it was like some people of families volunteer themselves to do some work instead just doing tenryubitoos stuff, same thing also applied to Gods knight.

The same generations of 20 families must know each other including Imu, the problem is its been hundred of years gap that every descendants of the families are not knowing about it unless they have written document about old days (which could be a taboo). The exception is Nerona familiy.

Gorosei isn't volunteer, it's said to be the highest authority within the Celestial Dragon's sphere, so they must have earned those positions. Perhaps, to be a Gorosei, you also have to be one of the strongest warriors too because we can see they're pretty much king's haki users and also have a field of study they specialise in.

Imu is supposedly immortal, so makes one wonder are the Gorosei also immortal? I guess we won't know much until we get more reveals.

 

[electricmastro]

The world is about to sink to the sea, and Nojiko is going to check on her garden? Wtf! lol

I mean, what else can she do? Not everyone will react to the news in the same way. I can only imagine this is Nojiko's way of dealing with the anxieties of the situation, and feels that it's better to just get on with life where you can.

 

[RaisinRisin]

Even without reading spoilers, I somehow got my hopes up and paid the price. This chapter didn't do much for me. I probably even enjoyed the check-ins with minor characters more than the few tidbits from Vegapunk that most of us likely already suspected. Looking forward to the biggest revelations when they eventually come.

Since VP is inevitably going to talk about the weapon that was used on Lulusia, I'm wondering:

1. In ch 1086, Elder V. says it would be wise for the weapon be tested "above sea level." What happens if it's used below sea level?
2. Is it a coincidence the circles on the WG Flag look reminiscent of the holes at Enies Lobby and where Lulusia used to be? (Both are close to Mary Geoise.)

Side note:
TCB's localization is really excellent with "Joy Toy." Just for anyone interested, it was "Joy Ball" (Joy-Bohru) in the original Japanese. I'm curious to see how Viz handles it.

Who's the king of AK.

Good question. We're not there yet, but it's worth thinking about. We don't know if the (ancient) Giant Kingdom's leader had good or bad intentions. In fact if Joyboy became the first Luffy-style "pirate," it's even possible he was seeking freedom from there as well.

Not directly related (as far as we know), but I also wonder what kind of leader Prince Loki will be. There may be something off about him if Lola-- a character who was proposing to every man she met on sight-- refused to marry him. It would be such a brilliant stroke if it turned out that wasn't only a gag and she actually had a powerful reason. (And if giants don't normally marry non-giants in the OP world, then why was he so insistent on marrying her specifically-- not even Chiffon?)

Five elders are most likely come from known families, or at least they must have their house/clan names. Maybe it was like some people of families volunteer themselves to do some work instead just doing tenryubitoos stuff, same thing also applied to Gods knight.

The same generations of 20 families must know each other including Imu, the problem is its been hundred of years gap that every descendants of the families are not knowing about it unless they have written document about old days (which could be a taboo). The exception is Nerona familiy.

I'd guess either they come from the original 20 families or they were created by Imu. Mars even calls him "creator" in chapter 1086.

 

[Hikari96]

I wonder if there's something more to their abilities though. As far as i can tell there are two weird points regarding their abilities so far, one that the textbox with their ability was not how oda usually introduces devil fruits.... It just mentions the type of demon each one is. The other weird thing is that they are all larger than giants.... It's just strange to me that this is a group of not only mythical devil fruits but also giant ones as well.

Imu and the gorosei could be awakened Zoans who failed to control their awakening just like the jailors of Impel Down. The difference is that demons are intelligent beings instead of simple animals. This would also give a new meaning to the gorosei referring to humans as insects. Additionally, they might have turned immortal to never be reborn as a DF

 

[RaisinRisin]

Fans of Joyboy being a giant (as opposed to just Nika) have a lot going for them these days, it seems. As I've pointed out before, although it happens to be ancient, the name Oda gave was not "Ancient Kingdom." It's 巨大な王国 --Gigantic Kingdom. I noticed in the past that the national treasure at Mary Geoise is also called gigantic by Doflamingo, incidentally (specifically: 巨大な国宝).

If Joyboy, who was born in the Gigantic Kingdom, was in fact the primary enemy of the 20 kingdoms during the entirety of the 100 years then he'd have to be a giant as well (unless another group like Lunarians have natural lifespans as long as those of giants). I had been hoping there would be more to it than this but if things continue to be as straightforward as chapter 1015 makes it seem, it could turn out that in fact it was not just a huge kingdom but a kingdom for huge people, aka giants. The anime even seems to potentially hint that with that sequence recently that includes this image as Shaka talks about what Vegapunk is now calling the gigantic fight 「巨大な戦い」):

Spoiler

20 little crowns; one massive one. And that's a lot of repetition of the same adjective from someone whose vocabulary doesn't seem particularly limited. It took less mentions of the world being turned upside down or overturned (4 important characters over 3 instances, I think) for me to take notice of that line. This description, though, is all over the place.

 

[Franz]

But if the inhabitants of Alabasta know that Alubarna has existed for 4000 years, how do they not know that Alabasta was once much larger?

 

[electricmastro]

im just really wondering what’s going to happen with the ancient weapons now that vegapunk just said that they caused damage in the past and ancient war with the government is still being waged.

 

[CharlosTenryuubito]

Gorosei isn't volunteer, it's said to be the highest authority within the Celestial Dragon's sphere, so they must have earned those positions. Perhaps, to be a Gorosei, you also have to be one of the strongest warriors too because we can see they're pretty much king's haki users and also have a field of study they specialise in.

Imu is supposedly immortal, so makes one wonder are the Gorosei also immortal? I guess we won't know much until we get more reveals.

Could be Five elders were promoted from previous member of God Knights? How many members of God knights again? I cant remember the panels. It will be interesting if the combined of Imu, Five elders and God knights are exactly 19, representing each founding families.