On Break One Piece Chapter 1193 Discussion

[The Trinity]

Not sure if my point got through but I don't think zoro has noticed he used it at all. I think it's more likely we get something like "Huh, so this is cladding. Surprisingly easy to use considering it's the first time ever. I must be a genius." while us readers facepalm at him using it since he fought kaido.

Whether Zoro knows he's using haki or not isn't the point. Whether the AUDIENCE knows that he does or doesn't know he's been using haki is beside the point. The FACT that Zoro knows, since the Kaido arc, that his body can now give him the power he needs to wield and deal effective blows is the point. Us facepalming Zoro's glibness to CoC is on purpose and reinforces Zoro's character as a passive but effective right-hand man. How is that not obvious?

His AWARENESS, and therefore his follow-through with that awareness, is what matters. At the end of the day, he has to beat the bad guy. He is shaping and molding that power since the Kaido arc made those demands on his haki. It seems to me that a lot of us are focused on whether his understanding of haki (the word and lore of it in One Piece) validates his use of it, which is ass backwards. I don't care if he called his power doodoo-shit-fire. That doodoo-shit-fire can now be coated. And stating he hasn't noticed it because he doesn't call it by its name is wild. I assure you, Sommers knows what it is, and whether or not Zoro knows it by name isn't gonna stop Sommers from being cut down by it. Lay this dogmatic nonsense to rest already. Zoro has been aware of this power and that's that. Be it CoC or whatever the hell he wants to recognize it as.

 

[kkck]

Whether Zoro knows he's using haki or not isn't the point. Whether the AUDIENCE knows that he does or doesn't know he's been using haki is beside the point. The FACT that Zoro knows, since the Kaido arc, that his body can now give him the power he needs to wield and deal effective blows is the point. Us facepalming Zoro's glibness to CoC is on purpose and reinforces Zoro's character as a passive but effective right-hand man. How is that not obvious?

His AWARENESS, and therefore his follow-through with that awareness, is what matters. At the end of the day, he has to beat the bad guy. He is shaping and molding that power since the Kaido arc made those demands on his haki. It seems to me that a lot of us are focused on whether his understanding of haki (the word and lore of it in One Piece) validates his use of it, which is ass backwards. I don't care if he called his power doodoo-shit-fire. That doodoo-shit-fire can now be coated. And stating he hasn't noticed it because he doesn't call it by its name is wild. I assure you, Sommers knows what it is, and whether or not Zoro knows it by name isn't gonna stop Sommers from being cut down by it. Lay this dogmatic nonsense to rest already. Zoro has been aware of this power and that's that. Be it CoC or whatever the hell he wants to recognize it as.

I don't know WTF you are talking about but the point I am making in my posts is that zoro literally has zero awareness that he has ever used any amount whatsoever of conqueror haki cladding. As in, he literally has not noticed he has been imbuing his swords with it. Not once. Just as luffy and gaban noticed zoro was emitting conqueror haki while zoro himself was entirely clueless.

I am in no way suggesting the issue here is zoro not calling conqueror haki by name or otherwise confusing it with armor haki or whatever else.

 

[The Trinity]

I don't know WTF you are talking about but the point I am making in my posts is that zoro literally has zero awareness that he has ever used any amount whatsoever of conqueror haki cladding. As in, he literally has not noticed he has been imbuing his swords with it. Not once. Just as luffy and gaban noticed zoro was emitting conqueror haki while zoro himself was entirely clueless.

I am in no way suggesting the issue here is zoro not calling conqueror haki by name or otherwise confusing it with armor haki or whatever else.

"Huh, so this is cladding. Surprisingly easy to use considering it's the first time ever. I must be a genius."

Is this not your quote above? I believe you made a point of saying he doesn't have awareness when HE DOES! My point in saying he may not recognize it as Coc doesn't mean he isn't aware of A POWER THAT IS USEFUL FOR DEFEATING THE ENEMY. Your point is a nonpoint because it makes Zoro's "awareness of Coc" itself a point of contention along what lines I can't, for the life of me, make sense of. Help me understand WHY Zoro not calling his power Coc or recognizing it as Coc means any fucking thing right now? That's where I'm lost

And you and ALL OF US who are facepalming also doesn't make sense. It's ZORO the aloof. It's character development. a NONPOINT in relation to Zoro's ability to use Coc. Hence, the reason I called Zoro's understanding of Coc manipulation doodoo-shit-power. Because his recognition of the power is what matters, not that he doesn't know it's Coc. That's a nonpoint

My whole point about YOUR point is zoro HAS been aware of his power. Regardless of whether or not he recognizes Coc or not. And the summary of "Oh this is a things, I must be a genius" is too ham-fisted to make your point stick, because that's definitely not what happened. Regardless of how others are taking it.

 

[kkck]

"Huh, so this is cladding. Surprisingly easy to use considering it's the first time ever. I must be a genius."

Is this not your quote above? I believe you made a point of saying he doesn't have awareness when HE DOES! My point in saying he may not recognize it as Coc doesn't mean he isn't aware of A POWER THAT IS USEFUL FOR DEFEATING THE ENEMY. Your point is a nonpoint because it makes Zoro's "awareness of Coc" itself a point of contention along what lines I can't, for the life of me, make sense of. Help me understand WHY Zoro not calling his power Coc or recognizing it as Coc means any fucking thing right now? That's where I'm lost

And you and ALL OF US who are facepalming also doesn't make sense. It's ZORO the aloof. It's character development. a NONPOINT in relation to Zoro's ability to use Coc. Hence, the reason I called Zoro's understanding of Coc manipulation doodoo-shit-power. Because his recognition of the power is what matters, not that he doesn't know it's Coc. That's a nonpoint

My whole point about YOUR point is zoro HAS been aware of his power. Regardless of whether or not he recognizes Coc or not. And the summary of "Oh this is a things, I must be a genius" is too ham-fisted to make your point stick, because that's definitely not what happened. Regardless of how others are taking it.

I don't know what you are talking about or what your problem is. I won't reply to your gibberish anymore.

 

[The Trinity]

I don't know what you are talking about or what your problem is. I won't reply to your gibberish anymore.

So now I don't make sense? Nice substantive answer. And yes, Zoro is a genius.

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I thinking the same, he's so clueless that he didn't notice it until someone says: THAT'S ACOC YOU MORON! And then he: That's it? Boring, i can use it since my fight with King.

My response to this is the same to kckk. Being aloof and a moron are pretty different. Hmmm not wielding CoC in the way Luffy and other characters do doesn't make him a moron. If anything, him using CoC when he wants despite not acknowledging it as such is cool guy shit to me.

It's always funny to see what the readers gets irritated over in situations like this. I bet Sommers isn't thinking "this guys is a moron."

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My question here is: If Gaban, Ray and other members of Roger pirates have ACoC, why they didn't kill these GK before? They never tried to stab they in the hearth using ACoC? I consider this a very strange coincidence...

And you bring up a good point here. Either Zoro really is a prodigious son of a gun or he just (bad writing?) jumped several levels by simply being aquatinted with Coc. Every shonen I've read has a moment like this where a simple thought process goes beyond critical thinking and points toward the dialectical understanding of a power. That tends to read genius to me in those moments. Especially when you're aloof like Zoro is in these moments

 

[Battle Wolf]

My response to this is the same to kckk. Being aloof and a moron are pretty different. Hmmm not wielding CoC in the way Luffy and other characters do doesn't make him a moron. If anything, him using CoC when he wants despite not acknowledging it as such is cool guy shit to me.

It's always funny to see what the readers gets irritated over in situations like this. I bet Sommers isn't thinking "this guys is a moron."

I didn't call him a moron. I said that people usually treat him like one (especially Sanji). For example, with Enma, he managed to understand the flow of Haki it was using and stopped letting it "suck his Haki" and started letting it "flow into it" instead, which allowed him to unleash more power (which might even be Conqueror's Haki, I'm not entirely sure). So he definitely knows what he's doing, just in his own way.

And you bring up a good point here. Either Zoro really is a prodigious son of a gun or he just (bad writing?) jumped several levels by simply being aquatinted with Coc. Every shonen I've read has a moment like this where a simple thought process goes beyond critical thinking and points toward the dialectical understanding of a power. That tends to read genius to me in those moments. Especially when you're aloof like Zoro is in these moments

Maybe the previous enemies of the GK didn't see the heart, which is why they never came up with that idea... Besides, when you're a pirate, you're usually more focused on running away and surviving than getting into pointless fights.

 

[The Trinity]

I didn't call him a moron. I said that people usually treat him like one (especially Sanji). For example, with Enma, he managed to understand the flow of Haki it was using and stopped letting it "suck his Haki" and started letting it "flow into it" instead, which allowed him to unleash more power (which might even be Conqueror's Haki, I'm not entirely sure). So he definitely knows what he's doing, just in his own way.




Maybe the previous enemies of the GK didn't see the heart, which is why they never came up with that idea... Besides, when you're a pirate, you're usually more focused on running away and surviving than getting into pointless fights.

My reference to calling defending Zoro from the title of moron is coming from some weird side chatter that is making it a point of saying he doesn't know that he's using Coc. Which I don't think means a damn thing and is a nonpoint. The fact that he's manipulating the power that he clearly is aware of is obviously what matters, not that he's not calling it Coc or recognizing it. Anywho.

I definitely think that was his Coc moment when he allowed Enma to truly tap into his power. I like to think that was the demand necessary to wield it. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw more development in what Enma is capable of in the near future.

And my thinking with prior encounters concerning the GK is maybe they didn't get that far? I'm beginning to think Imu hasn't had to make a move like this before.

 

[Battle Wolf]

And my thinking with prior encounters concerning the GK is maybe they didn't get that far? I'm beginning to think Imu hasn't had to make a move like this before.

Me too. This is a unique moment in the entire story where Imu has to descend to the lower world (after Void Century) to resolve something. Until now, the GK have been more than enough, of course, since we don't have Joyboy running around.

 

[chitgoks]

man.. just watched the anime when gaban first sliced sommers. if he threw his body down to the sea after it was cut it would have been the end.

 

[kg21tmac11]

You people are so media illiteracy your not even worth engaging with anymore. Luckily I don't have to deal with you clowns much longer thank fuck.

Dude that was not necessary.

 

[Tonix]

So now I don't make sense?

That seems to imply that you think you were ever making sense, which… doesn’t make sense.

 

[vicefulder]

Dude that was not necessary.

He actually deleted the reply... 34 years old, here since 2010 and still acting like that

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Rayleigh literally had to explain it to him and trained him on it for months. Haki was all Rayleigh trained him on during the timeskip. Zoro presumably spent most of his time with Mihawk focusing on swordsmanship since it took until Wano for Zoro to know what black blades even are

As Mihawk said in Dressrosa flashback, if a blade gets nicked, it's a shame on a Swordsman - Haki is the only way to become the world's strongest Swordsman.

Haki is also a part Swordsmanship just like it is for any form of fighting. You can't be the best or strongest without Haki.
They received similar training - the entire training was for the New World, and that was Haki basics.

Luffy and Zoro went through similar training - only difference is one fights with a Sword and the other fights with a DF.

it took until Wano for Zoro to know what black blades even are

He knew about Black Blades pre-skip.
He just learnt more about Black Blades in Wano - but nonetheless, above shows Mihawk was teaching Zoro Haki - even told him no alcohol until he learnt it.

I’m saying Zoro is a better and faster learner who is also better at figuring stuff out. Depending on how you interpret Zoro learning how to cut steel back in Alabasta, Zoro might have even learned rudimentary Haki before Luffy.

I’m not saying Zoro is stronger or even as close to strong as Luffy, because I’m pretty sure the gap in strength was made clear enough at least a decade ago. The last time Luffy not being definitely stronger was even debatable would have been like Thriller Bark imo.

Zoro didn't learn Haki in Alabasta, what he learned was the breath of all things which isn't Haki. If he did, he'd have been able to cut Enel or sense him. He couldn't do either, so he definitely wasn't a Haki user at that time.

The only thing Luffy learned from anyone in Wano was how to no-contact hit people with Armament Haki - everything else, he literally figured out by himself.

Luffy never got taught about King's Haki coating, he figured it out on his own against Kaido of all people, Zoro needed to be told - means Zoro is slower.

Zoro didn't even know he was leaking King's Haki which again proves.... Luffy's got better awareness and understanding of Haki than Zoro.

Luffy's been figuring out Haki on his own way faster than Zoro:

• Future Sight
• Sensing Emotions
• King's Haki Coating

... all figured out on his own.

Zoro has literally not figured out anything regarding Haki since the time-skip.

If Zoro was faster, he'd literally have figured out King's Haki before Luffy.

 

[The Trinity]

That seems to imply that you think you were ever making sense, which… doesn’t make sense.

Bud, no need to jump in. You're a dollar short and a day late. This ship has sailed. But you can add to the conversation if you think you have something valid. This is a discussion board after all, despite my protestations to the Zoro bashing, which I still think is irrelevant to his capacity to wield Coc as well as he's currently doing.

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Me too. This is a unique moment in the entire story where Imu has to descend to the lower world (after Void Century) to resolve something. Until now, the GK have been more than enough, of course, since we don't have Joyboy running around.

Agreed. Hopefully there is a quick flashback from Imu hinting at what exactly he's afraid of concerning Joyboy. The haki flash from the string needs an arc of its own.