One Piece Mega Convo Thread, the 1st Chapter

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Re: One Piece Mega Convo (Spoilers!)

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/512/08/

HINT: Kizaru's cheek on the last panel.
Yes. But I am not sure it has been done by that technic because at the panel of the left of the one where he prevent him from traveling he does not seem to have his cheek cut. I thought it had been done when they both use their sword. I am going to see what they show of Ki Zaru's cheek in the anime just after Rayleigh used the technic.
 

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http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/512/08/

HINT: Kizaru's cheek on the last panel.
That's quite repeitive...

But his point is that we aren't for sure if that because of Raleighs attack (combined with haki), or because he was somewhat forced to be in 'flesh mode' or something like that. (Personnaly I think it was because of Silvers' attack combined with haki)
 

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Re: One Piece Mega Convo (Spoilers!)

I can analyze and discuss to a point, but it's never good to think things through too much. And it's a drag.

I know what his point is, I can read. But check what he wrote in the sentence I quoted. How am I to know if he missed seeing the cut on the cheek?
 

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That is stupid. Everything is matter except the anti-matter in the world. But that does not mean you can affect every matter with every other matter. If I punch light, wind, I will not injure hit. This is the same thing with sound waves on light/wind. They wound not with an explosion destroy/cut mere light or mere wind. It seems only Rayleigh has been shown to use the breath technic to separe a light beam in two parts. I do not think an explosion of sound waves and cutting sound waves would do the same thing than Rayleigh.


Do people not see the difference with the Apoo/Ki Zaru case and all the others we have seen : the difference is HUGE ! ! !
Have you ever seen Ki Zaru after being hit in the situation of the last panel ? Is there nothing that bothers you here ? You said he was in light mode before being hit but it ends up with his body being cut in two parts. But that does not work with Ki Zaru because we know that with light mode, his matter could not be divided : that was shown with Brook and Usopp, the bullets that went into Ki Zaru said : it just go through : it did not divided the light matter. I do not believed that it is possible with sound waves : that is not even possible in logic : just see with our world. That sound waves were cutting and explosing but in our world that do not work neither.
As I said, only Rayleigh divided light in the manga but it was not a normal technic he used, there is no equivalent of the breath technic in our world.
first of all nothin is all matter. a blackhole isnt matter, sound wave isnt matter, theyre just phenomenom. and light is right between that and matter, thats why its such an unknown thing, it acts as 2 thing at once.

and why would u think kizaru has no problem switching from mode to mode when a bullet is shot at him and that his attention isnt even on the shooter, but he cant do that when hes in the middle of a fight and is looking at the guy attacking him? obviously it splitted him in half because oda wanted to show us the power of the supernovas. like it would be dum for oda to have shown us apoos power when it doesnt do anything. that move was there to show apoos power and thats all. come on guys.

and now for aokiji. ur point about robin beeing able to break him and not luffy doesnt make sense. its obvious that if u take a stick ( wich is solid just like ice ) and take it by both ends it will break right? same thing robin did with aokiji. and what happens if u hit the stick in the middle, itll stay in one piece right ( im talking about a hard stick haha )? well same thing happened with luffy when he hit aokiji. and just to prove that you guys are even more wrong about that matter, as soon as luffy hit aokiji in the stomach his hand got frozen while he was holding sanji and zoro. meaning that his fruit was activated but didnt break him when he was hit. hes a solid element and just to assume one of his power, he can solidify himself by dropping his temperature, compacting the ice in his body and making him harder.

anyway, i didnt really explain the last part that well, but sry guys your theory is absolutely no good in my opinion. when i first heard it i thought it was right, but then realized it was no good. and u guys are gonna try and reply to wat i said and it just wont make any sense to me. like why wouldnt u guys understand that the element is permanently part of the body just like LUFFYS RUBBER! thats what the fruit does. theyre called logia because theyre an element and rubber isnt.
 

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and why would u think kizaru has no problem switching from mode to mode when a bullet is shot at him and that his attention isnt even on the shooter, but he cant do that when hes in the middle of a fight and is looking at the guy attacking him?
So, let me get this straight. Here, you claim that logias can switch to elemental mode, but further down, you're claiming the opposite.
Take a pick and stick with it. Otherwise you're just going to confuse people.

and just to prove that you guys are even more wrong about that matter, as soon as luffy hit aokiji in the stomach his hand got frozen while he was holding sanji and zoro. meaning that his fruit was activated but didnt break him when he was hit. hes a solid element and just to assume one of his power, he can solidify himself by dropping his temperature, compacting the ice in his body and making him harder.
I suppose you can explain how come that Luffy's leg didn't freeze when he kicked Aokiji?

like why wouldnt u guys understand that the element is permanently part of the body just like LUFFYS RUBBER! thats what the fruit does. theyre called logia because theyre an element and rubber isnt.
You're being close to insulting. You should be more careful in the way you address people. We didn't kill all your friends. We just have different opinion.

Now think about it a little. How could Ace sail a wooden ship if he was constantly fire? How did he arm wrestle with Luffy without burning him?
How could Aokiji enjoy sleeping on the sunshine? If he's constantly ice, he could easily melt before he wakes up. Get real.
 
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first of all nothin is all matter. a blackhole isnt matter, sound wave isnt matter, theyre just phenomenom. and light is right between that and matter, thats why its such an unknown thing, it acts as 2 thing at once.
Then, you define matter as what is palpable. That is not my case. That is why we did not understand each other.
and why would u think kizaru has no problem switching from mode to mode when a bullet is shot at him and that his attention isnt even on the shooter, but he cant do that when hes in the middle of a fight and is looking at the guy attacking him? obviously it splitted him in half because oda wanted to show us the power of the supernovas. like it would be dum for oda to have shown us apoos power when it doesnt do anything. that move was there to show apoos power and thats all. come on guys.
Actually, that notice make me really wonder about how the classical (the ones that have the intangibility power) works. So, from my ideas, I got they are always protected by the logia power and cannot be injured except with special attacks like natural weakness, seastone, BB's DF power that negatives the DF power of the opponent (and maybe Haki).


and now for aokiji. ur point about robin beeing able to break him and not luffy doesnt make sense. its obvious that if u take a stick ( wich is solid just like ice ) and take it by both ends it will break right? same thing robin did with aokiji. and what happens if u hit the stick in the middle, itll stay in one piece right ( im talking about a hard stick haha )? well same thing happened with luffy when he hit aokiji. and just to prove that you guys are even more wrong about that matter, as soon as luffy hit aokiji in the stomach his hand got frozen while he was holding sanji and zoro. meaning that his fruit was activated but didnt break him when he was hit. hes a solid element and just to assume one of his power, he can solidify himself by dropping his temperature, compacting the ice in his body and making him harder.
In reality, I said exactly the same things than you about this matter (I hope you will appreciate the term :p). That was Razh that thought that, not me.
Indeed, Ao Kiji does not suffer the same number physic strenghts and not in the same parts of his body, so his argument was irrecevable. And I pointed out the fact that Luffy's arm just froze after he hit him.
So, I have always agreed with that and still agree.


anyway, i didnt really explain the last part that well, but sry guys your theory is absolutely no good in my opinion. when i first heard it i thought it was right, but then realized it was no good. and u guys are gonna try and reply to wat i said and it just wont make any sense to me. like why wouldnt u guys understand that the element is permanently part of the body just like LUFFYS RUBBER! thats what the fruit does. theyre called logia because theyre an element and rubber isnt.
I could agree with that statement that they are always their element (but inside their body). Indeed, I said, that even if the logia user was caught by surprise and do not turn totally in his logia mode (totally means like he looks only like his matter and do not looks like an human anymore), he cannot be injured neither : that was what happened with the Apoo/Ki Zaru case : I define this idea as the logia DF automatically turn the interior of the logia user in his element.
That idea that they are permanently at the interior their element would very explained that notice I find about the Apoo/Ki Zaru case that bothered me. But nevertheless, only at the interior. The clay would be solid and that would explain why in the Apoo/Ki Zaru case it did not go through him even if he is always his logia at the interior or at least always protected.
So, I think that you still confund my ideas with the others members because as you see, my ideas and your ideas are nearly alike.
 

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It's funny how you are taking this seriously. Surely more than Oda himself.
For me the alabasta event and the kizaru one are contradicting themselve, but I will not split hair to search a theory so that they could match. Take Oda work as it is, a very well done manga with some imperfection and not as a "truth" which every word has to be taken as it was god's ones.
Honestly how do you explain with your Logia theories, that Ace (or whatever logia) clothes are always perfectly intact whatever the form he uses ?!?
I've started to watch Gintama, and what I like the most in that anime is that the author does not take himself seriously, maybe you should reread One Piece like that, you would ask yourself less useless questions...
 

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Another advice giver. Why do you care?

And not all of us are taking it seriously. I just tried to make people realize that logias can use their powers at their own will. That is part of the reason why logias are the most powerful fruits.
 

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Because he is too a member so he has the right to voice his different opinion or give a constructive input!

Please don't take it so hard, Razh >.> Like you already knew, this is a public forums and here is also a hang-out thread, you can't control people not to input what they think. It's the same with when some of the topics were brought up and you thought nothing meaningful could come from them; you also did have the right to say your judgement aloud, and the participants of those discussion topics must either ignore you or persuade you to reconsider that those topics of their interest weren't that useless.

k-dom's post is far from offensive to being told off imo...

However, I also think we have to learn more about Apoo's power to get to the relevant reason how he can cut Kizaru into parts that way. Kizaru's hand looked like it's just chopped off like one of a puppet's. While there're the other three who were also in the range of his sound there, Apoo could make it harmful to only Kizaru. As if he's able to focus the intensity of the sound waves (or whatever that's called) into one spot, and maybe probably more... What a dangerous ability.
 

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Re: One Piece Mega Convo (Spoilers!)

can we jus have OP small talk like........wat might be the other admirals power being the 2 we know is light and ice??
 

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can we jus have OP small talk like........wat might be the other admirals power being the 2 we know is light and ice??
There's a thread made specifically for that.
http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36835&page=5

You can try to butt in with some other discussion here, but if the people are in serious debate like they were here, you're just going to waste time.

And Yabe, I'm just bothered when somebody comes in the middle of the discussion and "takes the high road". It's funny how we are taking it seriously? We were just discussing it. I tried to make my posts as small as possible, but there's always Rayleigh who lately specializes in monster posts.:p
 

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In reality, I said exactly the same things than you about this matter (I hope you will appreciate the term :p). That was Razh that thought that, not me.
Indeed, Ao Kiji does not suffer the same number physic strenghts and not in the same parts of his body, so his argument was irrecevable. And I pointed out the fact that Luffy's arm just froze after he hit him.
So, I have always agreed with that and still agree.
Lets try a new experiment. Take a Redwood tree and try to break it by bending it at both ends. Now shoot it in the middle with a howitzer. Aokiji isn't a twig and Luffy's strength and Robin's strength aren't in same order of magnitude; Camil's argument is a straw man.

You're suggesting that the Logia's only disperse if hit strong enough to disperse them? Is Luffy's head not strong enough to push smoke apart?

Also the "Luffy's hand turned to ice immediately" argument is nonsense. He grabbed Zoro and Sanji just prior, it was just an ice attack in the same way that Kizaru shoots lazers; he intentionally and actively froze them.
 
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Also the "Luffy's hand turned to ice immediately" argument is nonsense. He grabbed Zoro and Sanji just prior, it was just an ice attack in the same way that Kizaru shoots lazers; he intentionally and actively froze them.
That's right, I almost forgot about that.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/320/11/

From Aokiji's expression you can see that he took Luffy's punch. Probably has some strong abs there. After he took the punch, he simultaneously started freezing all 3 of them. The fact that Zoro and Sanji's limbs started freezing at the same time as Luffy's fist, shows that he is not constantly ice and that he can touch people without freezing them, if he desires so.

And please people. I know that these discussions can be too deep sometimes, but you won't accomplish much by calling such discussions funny. When someone calls me funny, it's close to an insult to me. Unless it's funny in a good way.:)
 

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well I'm sorry if I offend you that was not the purpose of my post. Being one of the most sarcastic guys of this forum, I though you were less touchy.
Like you said I was more referering to the "non serious posts" who almost made one page length.
Anyway I still believe, it is not necessary to try to explain how logia power works from every apparition in the manga, since by definition they are something physically impossible it's normal that there are some flaw in the process
 

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well I'm sorry if I offend you that was not the purpose of my post. Being one of the most sarcastic guys of this forum, I though you were less touchy.
I have two exams left, it's hot as hell here, and I'm a little edgy. :amuse

Anyway, I think I covered everything I could trying to prove that I'm right. If I continued, I would pretty much be repeating what I already wrote before.
 

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Re: One Piece Mega Convo (Spoilers!)

so anyways... onto another subject.

do u guys know when the one piece movie 10 is comin out? ive been expecting this movie in a while now and i know that the previews have been out for a while now.
 

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@camil222 which is ur fav. movie before 10???
 

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In our Theatre and Arcade subforum we have a thread about movie 10 where I wrote the date some time not too long ago.
Since this tends to not be seen I'll gladly repeat myself: the film is supposed to be shown from the 12/12 onwards in japanese cinemas and as a conclusion of that, it won't be out that soon in other places of the world (I guess around three month later when the DVD is out and someone uploads it.)
 

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kinda off topic from movie 10 thing, but, i love how they brought croc back into the story he was badass, do u guys think croc is still shikubai material, i mean he did get beat by luffy but so did moria,
and imo crocodie is way better suited to be a shikubai with his logia

Also do u think hes gotten stronger or weaker being locked in the jail cell for all that time
 

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power of the devil fruit/users

After reading the last chapter is i have the feeling that magellan isn't that strong without his devilfruit, that luffy isn't to need to go so all out that he is to need a new move. Look at crocodile without his devil fruit he is nothing he has no combat skills luffy showed that by kicking his ass the second he could touch him. The same go's for the guy from sky island forgot his name ( too stoned lol) luffy kicked his ass with no problems. I think te same go's for moria luffy kicked his ass easly only his devil fruit was a problem.

So now luffy can touch magellan he will kick his ass simple, the only reason magellan is boss of imperial is of his devilfruit.

The power of the 7warlords combined

Lets say the battle against wb and the wg&7 warlords will find place no matter wat.
The 7 warlords can to some serious damage together. Think about it kuma that can vanish all strong oppononts 3 days flying moria can take sneaky their shadow then you are screwed depanding on the time lol. Don flamingo controls your body so it will be easy for moria and kuma to come at you. Hancock frees ya bb wil swoop all the weak pirates in one attack.jimbei destroying shipps like it iss daily run, and you can go onn lol

Some thought?
 
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