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Is it confirmed that Sanji has future sight now? Think I've read that this was confirmed in the Vivre Card

It makes sense considering how he dodged Katakuri's attack
I just saw that. I'm not entirely sure since I don't know Japanese, but I think it's been pointed out that the sound effect Oda used for that scene was similar to the sound effects he used for Katakuri and Luffy when they use future sight.
 

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I just saw that. I'm not entirely sure since I don't know Japanese, but I think it's been pointed out that the sound effect Oda used for that scene was similar to the sound effects he used for Katakuri and Luffy when they use future sight.
Fair enough

My only issue is that if he truly had future sight, he shouldn't have fallen for the trap that Black Maria's lackey made for him. So I am a bit conflicted about this.
 

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Fair enough

My only issue is that if he truly had future sight, he shouldn't have fallen for the trap that Black Maria's lackey made for him. So I am a bit conflicted about this.
To be fair, Sanji saw all those Women around before being captured. He refuses to fight beautiful Women, after all. 😍
 

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Fair enough

My only issue is that if he truly had future sight, he shouldn't have fallen for the trap that Black Maria's lackey made for him. So I am a bit conflicted about this.
It's definitely lame, but Oda can write whatever contrived scene he needs to due to that character trait. As long as women are involved, Sanji can be powered down to whatever level is necessary to continue the plot.

Oda's excuse would probably be that Sanji was to fired up by the seeming assault to properly see the future or something like that.
 

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Sanji definitely doesn't have Future Sight. If he did, it'd be clearly shown and stated. It's a pretty big deal.
 

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Wasn't there fake leaks about Sanji in the last Vivre Card too?
 

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After doing some digging, unless I'm missing more context, the vivre card just seems to be giving general explanation of CoO and used Sanji as an example.
 

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Fair enough

My only issue is that if he truly had future sight, he shouldn't have fallen for the trap that Black Maria's lackey made for him. So I am a bit conflicted about this.
Only works when you are calm. He is never calm around women
 

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Honestly if they're entering YC1-2 levels officially in this fight Sanji may as well have future sight. It doesn't even have to be as advanced as Katakuri's. Like... looking 5 seconds into the future instead of 8 until he develops it further.

I expect both Zoro and Sanji to show some new crazy stuff even if the fights are short.
 

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I'm very skeptical about this.

It may as well be some misinterpretation or bad translation, because Katakuri's saw Sanji's dodging his attack with future sight.
 

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Sanji's observation is advanced though, like in PH when in Nami's body recovering Kinemon's abdomen. He may not have future sight but it is still advanced..
 

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Maybe Sanji has FS, but until I see it in the manga I won't believe it. These Vivre Cards are not always accurate.

I am not expecting him to have it TBH because he seems to be more skilled in wide range detection, but we'll see.

If Oda wanted to show that Sanji had FS he would have shown it clearly.
 

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Is it confirmed that Sanji has future sight now? Think I've read that this was confirmed in the Vivre Card

It makes sense considering how he dodged Katakuri's attack
I think you may be talking about this from an old Vivre card



“By reading the movement of signs and emotions, you can grasp the surrounding situation and avoid danger. Some people see the future a little ahead due to extraordinary discipline.”

This is just a generic description of CoO, using a random picture of Sanji as an example
 

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Maybe Sanji has FS, but until I see it in the manga I won't believe it. These Vivre Cards are not always accurate.

I am not expecting him to have it TBH because he seems to be more skilled in wide range detection, but we'll see.

If Oda wanted to show that Sanji had FS he would have shown it clearly.
what about Sanji's ability to see things in pitch darkness while swimming in a lake in Nami's body? That may not be future sight but still an advanced form of CoO...
Sanji may gain future sight, for a boosted defense at best, but he's still a great CoO user.
 

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Sanji's observation is advanced though, like in PH when in Nami's body recovering Kinemon's abdomen. He may not have future sight but it is still advanced..
Sanji's Observation is not advanced at all. All he did was sense Kinemon's body which literally any Haki use can do.

If we want to talk advanced...

Momonosuke can sense Luffy and Kaido all the way from floor 1. He can sense 5 Floors up.

Sanji is literally on the same floor level as Momonosuke. He can't tell where Zoro or Law came from. He didn't even know he was fighting Kaido and Big Mom? Yet, Momonosuke can sense everything happening all the way from there. Sanji doesn't even know Luffy's getting weak which Momonosuke knows.
Luffy couldn't tell where Sanji was despite being on floor 3 with Sanji.

Sanji can at least sense 0.5 Floors radius. Luffy's not capable of even that nor is Jimbei. Momonosuke can sense 5 floors up? 10 times what Sanji can and much more what Luffy and Jimbei can.

Momonosuke is more or less Enel.

In terms of ability to hear voices... the ranking is:
  1. Momonosuke - 5 floor radius.
  2. Sanji - 0.5 floor radius.
  3. Luffy and Jimbei - Less than 0.5 floor radius.
Momonosuke is a monster in terms of hearing voices and Sanji's arguably the best at hearing voices within the SH crew.

As for prediction and foresight, Luffy's the best since he can see the future which Sanji can't.

Luffy can also sense emotions, so he's a far more complete observation Haki user than Sanji since he sees the future, senses emotions, but really standard ability to hear voices.

Only people with range greater than Momonosuke that we know of are Rayleigh who could sense the entire Island of Ruskaina and Enel who could hear the voices of everyone in Skypiea.
 

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Only people with range greater than Momonosuke that we know of are Rayleigh who could sense the entire Island of Ruskaina and Enel who could hear the voices of everyone in Skypiea.
Couldn't Momonosuke sense Luffy all the way down to the ocean?
 

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Couldn't Momonosuke sense Luffy all the way down to the ocean?
I'm not too sure that's Observation Haki since Law's crew mates heard Luffy. Looks like Luffy's got some ability to project his thoughts to people which I'm guessing is the power of VOAT?
 

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Momonosuke can sense Luffy and Kaido all the way from floor 1. He can sense 5 Floors up.
That's some next level haki... i dont disagree with you. perhaps, the usage of word'advanced' here was inappropriate. His feat of detecting kinemon was way better than what we would normally associate with observation.. comparing it to Momo for that case isn't fair, Momo's observation is on an entirely different level... but at the end, you are right, compared to even the kid at Skypiea, its nothing special.
 

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That's some next level haki... i dont disagree with you. perhaps, the usage of word'advanced' here was inappropriate. His feat of detecting kinemon was way better than what we would normally associate with observation.. comparing it to Momo for that case isn't fair, Momo's observation is on an entirely different level... but at the end, you are right, compared to even the kid at Skypiea, its nothing special.
What exactly is special in detecting Kinemon?

Kinemon was the one who told him his body was in the sea.

When Sanji went into the sea, he couldn't differentiate the bodies of Humans and Fishes, he said everything sensed the same way.
He didn't even sense Kinemon, he saw him by pure luck since he couldn't differentiate Kinemon from the Fish in the sea. I don't see how this is a feat... any of the SHs with Observation could have done this.. even those without could have done this. The real factor here was luck.

Only advantage an Observation Haki user of this level would have is deducing his body was probably in the mouth of a shark and looking out to sense any fish in proximity and checking if Kinemon was being held in their mouths.

This wasn't a feat, it was blind luck.
 

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agreed....
 
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