One Piece Mega Convo Thread

[electricmastro]

Just for fun, felt to recap the statuses of various characters:

Doflamingo - at Impel Down
Hancock - figuring out what to do about the Amazon Lily invasions
Teach - just acquired Road Poneglyphs
Shanks - just acquired Road Poneglyphs
Crocodile - just saw Buggy make his One Piece announcement
Law - escaping with Bepo from Blackbeard Pirates
Sakazuki - failed to stop Kuma
Garp - got frozen by Kuzan
Marco - just found out Weevil got caught
Kuma - is about to fist Saturn
Kuzan - froze Garp
Kid - sunk in the sea after getting defeated by Shanks, Dorry, and Brogy
Moria - rescued by Perona
Buggy - announced to pursuit for One Piece
Borsalino - on the ground near Saturn, Bonney, and Kuma
Sabo - gave Mary Geoise report to Dragon
Mihawk - just saw Buggy make his One Piece announcement
Smoker - presumably went to G-14 with Tashigi
Sengoku - just found out Garp went to rescue Koby
Dragon - speculating with Ivankov where Kuma went
Rayleigh - just scared off Blackbeard from Amazon Lily
Lucci - fighting Zoro
Vivi - just found out Luffy is at Egghead
Ivankov - speculating with Dragon where Kuma went
Issho - told by Sakazuki about Big Mom and Kaido's alliance
Tashigi - just left Pirate Island
Bonney - about to witness Kuma fist Saturn
Koby - just left Pirate Island
Pudding - held captive by Blackbeard Pirates
Perona - just rescued Moria

 

[RaisinRisin]

Just for fun, felt to recap the statuses of various characters:

Doflamingo - at Impel Down
Hancock - figuring out what to do about the Amazon Lily invasions
Teach - just acquired Road Poneglyphs
Shanks - just acquired Road Poneglyphs
Crocodile - just saw Buggy make his One Piece announcement
Law - escaping with Bepo from Blackbeard Pirates
Sakazuki - failed to stop Kuma
Garp - got frozen by Kuzan
Marco - just found out Weevil got caught
Kuma - is about to fist Saturn
Kuzan - froze Garp
Kid - sunk in the sea after getting defeated by Shanks, Dorry, and Brogy
Moria - rescued by Perona
Buggy - announced to pursuit for One Piece
Borsalino - on the ground near Saturn, Bonney, and Kuma
Sabo - gave Mary Geoise report to Dragon
Mihawk - just saw Buggy make his One Piece announcement
Smoker - presumably went to G-14 with Tashigi
Sengoku - just found out Garp went to rescue Koby
Dragon - speculating with Ivankov where Kuma went
Rayleigh - just scared off Blackbeard from Amazon Lily
Lucci - fighting Zoro
Vivi - just found out Luffy is at Egghead
Ivankov - speculating with Dragon where Kuma went
Issho - told by Sakazuki about Big Mom and Kaido's alliance
Tashigi - just left Pirate Island
Bonney - about to witness Kuma fist Saturn
Koby - just left Pirate Island
Pudding - held captive by Blackbeard Pirates
Perona - just rescued Moria

I thought Issho was last seen fighting Rokugyu at Mary Geoise. Did I forget the order? I'm honestly not sure.

So I'm thinking of islands/nations that could join Wano and have the protection of the Straw Hat Fleet. I leave out places that technically are more-or-less safely affiliated with the WG and can't fly a pirate flag (e.g. Sakura Kingdom and Dressrosa).

Alabasta: hard to tell what will happen here, but assuming the WG doesn't just assign them some despot (possibly setting off another war), and Igaram or someone friendly is temporary regent while Vivi remains in hiding, they could use the SH fleet's help.

Fishman Island: technically WG-affiliated, but they also had 2 successive yonkous' protection in the past (though with BM it was more like a protection racket). I want to put them in the same category as the others, starting from Reverie... but safety from the Tenryuubito remains a concern for Shirahoshi (and everyone else there too, really).

Amazon Lily: The recent BB/Marine free-for-all makes it clear they could obviously use some back-up (bonus points for Cavendish as contact ).

Honourable mention, who knows how things might go... Sphinx Island (Whitebeard's birthplace, that Marco and Weevil were looking after)

Anybody else I'm leaving out that might be worth adding? Any objections (beyond obviously not being sure what will happen yet)?

 

[electricmastro]

Might be possible we go back to Fish-Man Island at some point, in order to verify who has the last Road Poneglyph, which isn’t at Fish-Man Island anymore. It might key into Shyarly’s vision as well.

 

[Rein Avara]

Do we think that whitebeard was a Buccaneer? If you look at him and Kuma as a king they look so alike, its quite interesting to think about.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

If Whitebeard was a Bucaneer, they'd probably have taken his body to experiment on. I think Kuma was the last.

 

[sarutobi_sensei]

If Whitebeard was a Bucaneer, they'd probably have taken his body to experiment on. I think Kuma was the last.

I dunno. It could be the round ears that are the distinguishable trait of buccaneers. That and taking in the pain of others perhaps? Or have a connection strong enough to know where people are or id they're in danger. Kinda like Vivre card

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

I dunno. It could be the round ears that are the distinguishable trait of buccaneers. That and taking in the pain of others perhaps? Or have a connection strong enough to know where people are or id they're in danger. Kinda like Vivre card

Another thing is Bucaneers also had knowledge of Joboy/Nika, it doesn't appear that Whitebeard had such knowledge. The reason why Kuma had to be killed was supposedly because the Bucaneers had knowledge of Nika.
Remember, knowledge is what keeps Nika Nika no Mi as a DF which the WG don't want, so as long as people with the knowledge are alive, Luffy's DF will exist.

In fact, it seems the races that the WG wanted wiped out had knowledge of Nika/Joyboy... King also had knowledge of Joyboy/Nika which explains why they wanted to kill him at all costs. King being alive meant the DF would continue to exist and be a problem for them.

Whitebeard doesn't seem to have come from any special race, I'd assume he was just a gigantic Human like Jozu.
Even Big Mom is a Human, she just happens to be gigantic.
Personally, I don't buy the theory Whitebeard was from any special race.

 

[kkck]

WB was gigantic but his proportions make more sense than kuma's. his legs are way too small for his build. Same for his father. If I was looking for kuma like proportions the characters I can think of are jozu or pica... There's probably quite a few more. Though I am not sure if perhaps what oda is going for is buccaneers having stuff other than their bodies going for them. Perhaps some ability or culture which survived through kuma and his father but was lost on other folk. With the idea that buccaneers are resilient being more of a historical misunderstanding. There's plenty of folk who are born with subtantial physical strength or at least talent to be monsters from a young age.

 

[catagon87]

Do we think that whitebeard was a Buccaneer? If you look at him and Kuma as a king they look so alike, its quite interesting to think about.

Wouldn't surprise me. Wasn't he an orphan? So he wouldn't have learned about Nika like Kuma did. They have similar features. Too bad Oda cut off Vegapunk finishing the sentence about the Buccaneer's ability (sigh), because another trait I find kind of similar is how Whitebeard basically drove his body with sheer willpower even when he'd had half his face blown off by Akainu.

 

[kkck]

Wouldn't surprise me. Wasn't he an orphan? So he wouldn't have learned about Nika like Kuma did. They have similar features. Too bad Oda cut off Vegapunk finishing the sentence about the Buccaneer's ability (sigh), because another trait I find kind of similar is how Whitebeard basically drove his body with sheer willpower even when he'd had half his face blown off by Akainu.

I feel like oda is kinda cheating on that one. At marijoa is looked like akainu burned out half of kuma's face but at egghead it looks like it's merely severely burned on its surface.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

I feel like oda is kinda cheating on that one. At marijoa is looked like akainu burned out half of kuma's face but at egghead it looks like it's merely severely burned on its surface.

Kuma's got RCT before Yuji Itadori.
I alone am the Buc Buc.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

I dunno. It could be the round ears that are the distinguishable trait of buccaneers. That and taking in the pain of others perhaps? Or have a connection strong enough to know where people are or id they're in danger. Kinda like Vivre card

To be fair I don't think we've ever seen WB's ears...

 

[electricmastro]

So do you guys think Momo could grow fast enough to prove to Yamato he’s a capable defender sooner rather than later?

Given how he learned Bolo Breath and how someone like Koby grew, I think it wouldn’t take too terribly long, especially if Momo will have to participate in the final war.

 

[RaisinRisin]

So do you guys think Momo could grow fast enough to prove to Yamato he’s a capable defender sooner rather than later?

Given how he learned Bolo Breath and how someone like Koby grew, I think it wouldn’t take too terribly long, especially if Momo will have to participate in the final war.

I was expecting there to be some kind of huge atrocity or tragedy (maybe at Elbaf after we get to know people there and care about the place), and then a time skip (not 2 years though-- shorter than that). Momo needs time not just to train himself but to complete Wano's healing process. When he opens the "borders" of Wano, Luffy has to be there and I expect that's when Momo will be ready to command Zunesha.

Shirahoshi also has to get more comfortable with travelling so she can be led by Luffy. Somehow, it feels to me like their "training" is on track to finish around the same time. So if Luffy partners up with a royal figure right now, I suspect it'll be probably be either Vivi or even the prince of Elbaf (that Lola refused to marry).

 

[electricmastro]

I was expecting there to be some kind of huge atrocity or tragedy (maybe at Elbaf after we get to know people there and care about the place), and then a time skip (not 2 years though-- shorter than that). Momo needs time not just to train himself but to complete Wano's healing process. When he opens the "borders" of Wano, Luffy has to be there and I expect that's when Momo will be ready to command Zunesha.

Shirahoshi also has to get more comfortable with travelling so she can be led by Luffy. Somehow, it feels to me like their "training" is on track to finish around the same time. So if Luffy partners up with a royal figure right now, I suspect it'll be probably be either Vivi or even the prince of Elbaf (that Lola refused to marry).

After what Oda did with Koby, I get the feeling Oda will really have Momo push himself and achieve results worthy of his hard work.

Given how Zoro warned Yamato not to would Momo’s pride, I get the feeling Momo and Yamato are being set-up to eventually clash, and that’s partly what helps strengthen Momo in the process.

 

[kkck]

Momo is already pretty strong though, his constitution is implied to be incredibly resilient. His weakness in this regard is his lack of experience and haki which I doubt he can make up for in the time until the finale. Even as a dragon though he probably has enough might to be relevant militarily. He is basically a portable WMD with his bolo breath. He needs covering for of course but that's the scabbard's job.

 

[electricmastro]

Momo is already pretty strong though, his constitution is implied to be incredibly resilient. His weakness in this regard is his lack of experience and haki which I doubt he can make up for in the time until the finale. Even as a dragon though he probably has enough might to be relevant militarily. He is basically a portable WMD with his bolo breath. He needs covering for of course but that's the scabbard's job.

Yeah, if Momo is shown to be a capable enough to defend Wano after all with the Scabbards, then I think Oda can make that as convincing enough in a relatively short amount of time, even for Yamato to finally leave.

I recall Vegapunk talked about the coloring as if it was the only flaw of the fruit, so I suppose it’s only a matter of time before Momo unlocks the hybrid form and awakening too.

 

[kkck]

Yeah, if Momo is shown to be a capable enough to defend Wano after all with the Scabbards, then I think Oda can make that as convincing enough in a relatively short amount of time, even for Yamato to finally leave.

I recall Vegapunk talked about the coloring as if it was the only flaw of the fruit, so I suppose it’s only a matter of time before Momo unlocks the hybrid form and awakening too.

Not even kaido used the fruit's awakening... It's also unclear if the fruit has awakening iirc (or maybe that was just for the green blood). I could see momo making a name for himself and then yamato feeling comfortable leaving though I am not sure under what circumstances that could happen. Which force has he resources and inclination to to go take out wano right now? The marines and yonko should be pretty stretched right now.

 

[electricmastro]

Not even kaido used the fruit's awakening... It's also unclear if the fruit has awakening iirc (or maybe that was just for the green blood). I could see momo making a name for himself and then yamato feeling comfortable leaving though I am not sure under what circumstances that could happen. Which force has he resources and inclination to to go take out wano right now? The marines and yonko should be pretty stretched right now.

I suppose Oda could always use Cross Guild if nothing else. Crocodile has an interest in Pluton, Mihawk has an interest in swords, and Buggy has a past friendship with Oden, so I'm sure Oda could use that to his advantage for interesting material with Yamato and the others.

 

[kkck]

I suppose Oda could always use Cross Guild if nothing else. Crocodile has an interest in Pluton, Mihawk has an interest in swords, and Buggy has a past friendship with Oden, so I'm sure Oda could use that to his advantage for interesting material with Yamato and the others.

The cross guild has a passable army as far as I can tell but it's rather weak on the executive end (so far). It'd take mihawk taking the lead to pull this off.... Buggy's friendship with oden could have an interesting role here.