One Piece Mega Convo Thread

[yoshidr]

Those other people are some of my friends that's why it annoys me. I don't care about Oda benefits.

Recently I only criticized the tournament. I was very happy with the recent chapters. And yes I put my opinion above others because it is what I think, doesn't everyone do that or shall I be a robot that do what others tell me ? And for your information, I'm not the only one who doesn't like this tournament.


Quoting myself: My point is that One Piece length has become a weakness for possible new readers who don't want to invest themselves in 70 volumes series.


I find this kind of world building artificially extends a story that doesn't need it. I'm happy with discovering new islands which makes more in term of world building than all those cameo of characters.


And from the 3 manga with tournament that I read recently (Fairy Tail, One Piece, Nanatsu), One Piece is for me the weakest. Yes even Fairy Tail one despite being cliche after cliche was more interesting !

Please tell me why Fairy Tail should be consider equal or better than one piece???

 

[jojoSB]

Can't help but to post something,

manga fans around forums to learn to better dissect the mangas that they're reading with better context,
say, OP is published by Shōnen Jump, under Shueisha Inc. 株式会社 集英社 ,
while both FT & Nanatsu are under Shōnen Magazine 週刊少年マガジン,
of Kodansha Ltd. 株式会社 講談社;

entirely different, but are two business models which might or might not be owned by another one big
corporate institution.

I personally think that in this age and times and internet, even kids should talk with such 'awareness" in mind;
lastly,
FT clearly sells SEX, nothing to add.

 

[k-dom]

Please tell me why Fairy Tail should be consider equal or better than one piece???

Where do I say that ? why don't you read my next post in that thread ?

And Jojophile what are you trying to say exactly ? Titles can be compared even if they are from different magazines especially when they are of the same genre and the 3 of them have a tournament.

 

[NEMO]

Well the whole typhon thing seems to be based on just the first result of google by the looks of it. Like Schrabak said, its not copyright material discovery, its not a big deal if someone else did copy it. Although, the changes are that others thought about it simultaneously, just as google suggested.

Did I land on Green Bit, surrounded by dwarves? Sorry to disappoint you, but that's not how it went. Being familiar with Greek Myth knowledge doesn't mean it's due to Google. Now, if I in the future were to provide a theory based on Greek knowledge, would that also be due to my reliance on Google? Probably and not likely. Greek myth knowledge is scattered throughout books such as Homer's, Virgil's, Sophocles' etc, so, you see, Google ain't the only thing that provides knowledge regarding Greek Myth. There are various ways to get my hands on it. Had someone as intelligent as that tried to analyze the situation in such a way, he or she would have listed more than one possible way of getting your hands on the Typhon theory, yet Schaby was very particular about that one way. It's true that it can be reached in such way, but, knowing that it would surely lead you to Wikipedia, Schaby used some keywords from the Typhon description in Wikipedia(namely monster, hundred, and beast) deliberately to devalue the quality of my efforts. That should've been obvious. Besides, Kaido is referred to as a "thing" rather than a "monster." What a twist in the favor of his argument . Anybody, no matter how cretinous he is, would realize that much.There are silent readers who know this all too well, yet haven't said a word about this, enjoying the ignorance some people are foolishly displaying. I ain't referring to you in this matter. You have nice ideas, Hokageji, and I like reading them along with Freid's, Ukimix's, Razh's, Vagabond's, Syphin's, LordRayleigh's, Scottuk(although he doesn't post much) etc. You guys(and myself included of course) are what you can call the wind turbine of the One Piece community.
As for how I truly got my hands on the Typhon theory, here's how: I was reading on Wikipedia about some Greek monsters so as to compare their characteristics to Kaido's, and, just when I reached reading the Chimera page, I saw that

the Chimera was one of the offspring of Typhon and Echidna and a sibling of such monsters as Cerberus and the Lernaean Hydra.

. Use this link, and when you reach the part which I just described, click on the Typhon, and it'll take you right where it did me. Have fun
As for what you said about the simultaneousness of the pôsts, sorry, but you got it wrong. Those posts were all after mine. And one was before mine, yet was modified after mine, three days later, diminishing its credibility. I hardly believe one would come back three days afterwards for the sole purpose of tweaking his post because of a grammatical error. It doesn't matter either way. Like Freid said," Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." He summed it up in one sentence. Thank you kindly, Freid.

Spoiler

Also, typhon is hundred headed beast, not necesarily the same. I think his epithet is more to do with having a crew of hundred beasts instead.

If you wanna go with a character like that, I can suggest him to be a mythical Hindu deity god like DF ability, say Vishnu, who is called the protector of all creatures and shit like that. He has 9 avatars, the last one being Krishna. The idea of a god-like blue skinned person does not "not human" part. We have seen Buddha already, that makes vishnu possible.

However, to be honest, a DF like that does not suit Oda's drawing style. It has to be cartoony, and I dont see how that can be achieved effectively with a typhon-like character.

Anyways, I still support the theory that he is an alien from outerspace (i am sure i was the first one to call it, but no one gives s f**k to copy it ). That can make him a man of 100 beasts, not even human, android and robot friendly a theory we have seen about Kaidou. I also think the spaceship that hijacked Capone's ship was his.

As for the alien theory, I read yours. It was posted Feb 18, right? I posted mine that suggest the same idea on Feb 10. I was half serious about the alien theory, but I liked writing all that paragraph. I could've lengthened it to thrice the size of that, but didn't want to. I'll tell you what I truly think Kaido is: Kaido is a strong human who has an impairment in his ability to use and understand language. And because of that, added to his brutality, ruthlessness, monstrous strength and dreadful appearance, he was referred to as a thing. Whitebeard was referred to as monster, but was he a monster? Roger was referred to as the Devil, but was he the Devil? Those are great proofs that people form such appellations based on their views of those people. It is the very reason why I was being sarcastic regarding the concept of creature.

 

[Schabrak]

You probably even created aliens before Oda did... around ten years ago.

 

[NEMO]

Please tell me why Fairy Tail should be consider equal or better than one piece???

Can't help but to post something,

manga fans around forums to learn to better dissect the mangas that they're reading with better context,
say, OP is published by Shōnen Jump, under Shueisha Inc. 株式会社 集英社 ,
while both FT & Nanatsu are under Shōnen Magazine 週刊少年マガジン,
of Kodansha Ltd. 株式会社 講談社;

entirely different, but are two business models which might or might not be owned by another one big
corporate institution.

I personally think that in this age and times and internet, even kids should talk with such 'awareness" in mind;
lastly,
FT clearly sells SEX, nothing to add.

Honestly guys, I stopped reading FT a week ago. I'm sick and tired of their BS, and, as a One Piece lover, I put it atop every other manga. It's my personal opinion. Others are free to have theirs as well :-)

Where do I say that ? why don't you read my next post in that thread ?

And Jojophile what are you trying to say exactly ? Titles can be compared even if they are from different magazines especially when they are of the same genre and the 3 of them have a tournament.

And from the 3 manga with tournament that I read recently (Fairy Tail, One Piece, Nanatsu), One Piece is for me the weakest. Yes even Fairy Tail one despite being cliche after cliche was more interesting !

This I guess.

 

[Schabrak]

Might be a case of most main support characters from the good side actually partaking in the tournament and not have 99% of those being new characters. And even the antagonists were mainly known in FT. The tourney in Nanatsu was quiet good, but it's not like there was ever a need for them to take part, they have gone all out, put favourite character vs favourite character, what else could we have wished for?

 

[hokageji]

Did I land on Green Bit, surrounded by dwarves? Sorry to disappoint you, but that's not how it went. Being familiar with Greek Myth knowledge doesn't mean it's due to Google. Now, if I in the future were to provide a theory based on Greek knowledge, would that also be due to my reliance on Google? Probably and not likely. Greek myth knowledge is scattered throughout books such as Homer's, Virgil's, Sophocles' etc, so, you see, Google ain't the only thing that provides knowledge regarding Greek Myth. There are various ways to get my hands on it. Had someone as intelligent as that tried to analyze the situation in such a way, he or she would have listed more than one possible way of getting your hands on the Typhon theory, yet Schaby was very particular about that one way. It's true that it can be reached in such way, but, knowing that it would surely lead you to Wikipedia, Schaby used some keywords from the Typhon description in Wikipedia(namely monster, hundred, and beast) deliberately to devalue the quality of my efforts. That should've been obvious. Besides, Kaido is referred to as a "thing" rather than a "monster." What a twist in the favor of his argument . Anybody, no matter how cretinous he is, would realize that much.There are silent readers who know this all too well, yet haven't said a word about this, enjoying the ignorance some people are foolishly displaying. I ain't referring to you in this matter. You have nice ideas, Hokageji, and I like reading them along with Freid's, Ukimix's, Razh's, Vagabond's, Syphin's, LordRayleigh's, Scottuk(although he doesn't post much) etc. You guys(and myself included of course) are what you can call the wind turbine of the One Piece community.
As for how I truly got my hands on the Typhon theory, here's how: I was reading on Wikipedia about some Greek monsters so as to compare their characteristics to Kaido's, and, just when I reached reading the Chimera page, I saw that . Use this link, and when you reach the part which I just described, click on the Typhon, and it'll take you right where it did me. Have fun
As for what you said about the simultaneousness of the pôsts, sorry, but you got it wrong. Those posts were all after mine. And one was before mine, yet was modified after mine, three days later, diminishing its credibility. I hardly believe one would come back three days afterwards for the sole purpose of tweaking his post because of a grammatical error. It doesn't matter either way. Like Freid said," Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." He summed it up in one sentence. Thank you kindly, Freid.

Spoiler

Also, typhon is hundred headed beast, not necesarily the same. I think his epithet is more to do with having a crew of hundred beasts instead.

If you wanna go with a character like that, I can suggest him to be a mythical Hindu deity god like DF ability, say Vishnu, who is called the protector of all creatures and shit like that. He has 9 avatars, the last one being Krishna. The idea of a god-like blue skinned person does not "not human" part. We have seen Buddha already, that makes vishnu possible.

However, to be honest, a DF like that does not suit Oda's drawing style. It has to be cartoony, and I dont see how that can be achieved effectively with a typhon-like character.

As for the alien theory, I read yours. It was posted Feb 18, right? I posted mine that suggest the same idea on Feb 10. I was half serious about the alien theory, but I liked writing all that paragraph. I could've lengthened it to thrice the size of that, but didn't want to. I'll tell you what I truly think Kaido is: Kaido is a strong human who has an impairment in his ability to use and understand language. And because of that, added to his brutality, ruthlessness, monstrous strength and dreadful appearance, he was referred to as a thing. Whitebeard was referred to as monster, but was he a monster? Roger was referred to as the Devil, but was he the Devil? Those are great proofs that people form such appellations based on their views of those people. It is the very reason why I was being sarcastic regarding the concept of creature.

You are taking it too personally. My main point was that even others could have got that idea by just googling about it. I think it would be a little extreme to say people copied it and made a youtube video of it, thats all. Anyways, you have done a better job of explaining your idea that the other ones i have read.
But I personally think its not Oda's way of doing thingss. The most serious person has something weird or funny about him, a typhon wud be too serious... of course, there are always exceptions.

I dont read fun threads, so there is no way i could have based the alien theory on what you wrote. My theory was from the time I read a post which said Vegapunk=Kaidou because of all the robot like theme associated with him. (the winter vacation island). I just thought the ship UFO ship was his.

We can sure of one thing about Kaidou, he is a monster by size. Moria thought that he could beat Kaidou with Oz, which makes me think is purely to negate the size advantage.

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Can't help but to post something,

manga fans around forums to learn to better dissect the mangas that they're reading with better context,
say, OP is published by Shōnen Jump, under Shueisha Inc. 株式会社 集英社 ,
while both FT & Nanatsu are under Shōnen Magazine 週刊少年マガジン,
of Kodansha Ltd. 株式会社 講談社;

entirely different, but are two business models which might or might not be owned by another one big
corporate institution.

I personally think that in this age and times and internet, even kids should talk with such 'awareness" in mind;
lastly,
FT clearly sells SEX, nothing to add.

Your comment is quite confusing.

I dont read Fairy tail, but i know enough to understand that its about Magic. It doesnt matter that its published under a different magazine. We can even compare Harry Potter with Naruto. Both have an orphaned lead character, snake like villain, tournaments where the snake like villain appears and so on...

We can draw enough parallels between them. Fairy Tail on the other hand is shounen, and with a tournament appeared there, an opinion comparing and stating the better is not surprising.

About awareness part, that is more of a shounen thing. I think the SEX part ruins the storyline in some mangas, and one piece has them too. Nico Robin has got unpropertional thereby ruining her look, the same about Nami. One Piece isnt the best manga for character drawings IMO. This is where I found FMA to be so great, there was very little unecessary sexual references.

 

[NEMO]

You are taking it too personally. My main point was that even others could have got that idea by just googling about it. I think it would be a little extreme to say people copied it and made a youtube video of it, thats all. Anyways, you have done a better job of explaining your idea that the other ones i have read.
But I personally think its not Oda's way of doing thingss. The most serious person has something weird or funny about him, a typhon wud be too serious... of course, there are always exceptions.

I dont read fun threads, so there is no way i could have based the alien theory on what you wrote. My theory was from the time I read a post which said Vegapunk=Kaidou because of all the robot like theme associated with him. (the winter vacation island). I just thought the ship UFO ship was his.

We can sure of one thing about Kaidou, he is a monster by size. Moria thought that he could beat Kaidou with Oz, which makes me think is purely to negate the size advantage.

Thank you :-) As for the seriousness of the Typhon, wasn't the earthquake ability serious too? The earthquake ability pulverizes things, causes tidal waves and even sinks islands. Typhon in comparison to such ability wouldn't be too serious I guess. However, when I was writing the Typhon theory, I had a feeling that it won't be a Typhon.

Hokageji, bro, I have never accused you of basing your theory on mine :-) And I apologize it it sounded that way :-) Actually, I was trying to point out the coincidental thinking as well as the fact that I didn't take your idea, yes, your idea ;-)

Probably. Or probably Moria was simply thinking primitively that size matters.

 

[hokageji]

Well earthquake doesnt affect the personality or the look of WhiteBeard. While whitebeard looks serious, he has a lame laughter attached him him. Anyways, we have Akainu who has nothing weird of funny about him. Even his DF ability is serious.

About Moria, thats true. It could be he was thinking primitively. But with an epithet as 100 beasts, who wouldnt.
Moria will definitely be involved as we get closer.


Yea, the UFo theory was totally coinciedental and I am sure you didnt take my idea, its definitely not worth taking .

 

[Schabrak]

All roads lead to Rome

Did I land on Green Bit, surrounded by dwarves? Sorry to disappoint you, but that's not how it went.
Being familiar with Greek Myth knowledge doesn't mean it's due to Google.

Now, if I in the future were to provide a theory based on Greek knowledge, would that also be due to my reliance on Google? Probably and not likely.

Had someone as intelligent as that tried to analyze the situation in such a way, he or she would have listed more than one possible way of getting your hands on the Typhon theory, yet Schaby was very particular about that one way. It's true that it can be reached in such way, but, knowing that it would surely lead you to Wikipedia, Schaby used some keywords from the Typhon description in Wikipedia(namely monster, hundred, and beast) deliberately to devalue the quality of my efforts. That should've been obvious.

Besides, Kaido is referred to as a "thing" rather than a "monster." What a twist in the favor of his argument . Anybody, no matter how cretinous he is, would realize that much.There are silent readers who know this all too well, yet haven't said a word about this, enjoying the ignorance some people are foolishly displaying. I ain't referring to you in this matter.

You have nice ideas, Hokageji, and I like reading them along with Freid's, Ukimix's, Razh's, Vagabond's, Syphin's, LordRayleigh's, Scottuk(although he doesn't post much) etc. You guys(and myself included of course) are what you can call the wind turbine of the One Piece community.

As for how I truly got my hands on the Typhon theory, here's how: I was reading on Wikipedia about some Greek monsters so as to compare their characteristics to Kaido's, and, just when I reached reading the Chimera page, I saw that . Use this link, and when you reach the part which I just described, click on the Typhon, and it'll take you right where it did me. Have fun

As for what you said about the simultaneousness of the pôsts, sorry, but you got it wrong. Those posts were all after mine. And one was before mine, yet was modified after mine, three days later, diminishing its credibility. I hardly believe one would come back three days afterwards for the sole purpose of tweaking his post because of a grammatical error. It doesn't matter either way. Like Freid said," Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." He summed it up in one sentence. Thank you kindly, Freid.

What's the business with calling people idiots? What I'm accusing you is that you claim to have been the first one worldwide and all others stealing from you. Code Provider might have likely done so, never disagreed with that.

Google, wikipedia, who gives a fuck? Damn, 'mythology hundred' gave me Typhon again. So you found a suitable mythological entity browsing another myth. creature, posted a picture you "googled" and the wiki info to it. People on other forums and here have posted similar ones naming Typhon, some may have been inspired by your post and some might simply not. Accusing some and naming a later posting date as total confirmation stinks of narcism. Let it be gone and have fun creating new theories instead of sticking to old ones.

Sorry but using the upper bar of a new tab to search something is the most common way of searching? At least the most comfortable one. :P I've gone to the Kaidou onepiece.wikia page I have linked to, looked up the epitaph and the attached info. What are all kinds of beasts? Monsters. Monsters+hundred+beasts gives out typhon. It takes like half a minute from searching Kaidou to find Typhon, it should have been possible for many other fans as well, with no need to copy from you. How would you feel if I read some theories here and there than see you post a similar/same one and and accuse you of stealing, when you've just checked some chimera wiki page and found a good match for Kaidou yourself?

 

[jojoSB]

Okay I know better to compare MangaS , online in forums :P

So I'll rather not do that.. that just starts more potential arguments.. -_-

But to the topic on tournament k-dom, I am not so sure what to think, this idea of comparing tournaments by itself,
the idea is quite fresh!

Let's take a look at this two thing first, shall we? :

a)
http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy284/chiok001/iuygftyguhij400x654.jpg

Seen this somewhere else??

b)
http://mangaraw.net/weekly-shonen-magazine-週刊少年マガジン-2012-vol-41/

So, this is the first time that I've read through Shonen Mag in its entirety (no, I skipped),
not quite sure how many 'photo gallery' pages exist in each volume, but I would like to
personally discuss mangas in such way to begin with. One thing among reading Shonen
magazine though, is that I can feel the intense atmosphere among the fierce competition in the industry...

In other words, can you even compare tourneys among different manga magazines?
(okay, i jumped again without going through point a) and b), but I want anyone of you to
comment too, because it concerns all readers. I mean, the manga contents in both Jump and Magazine are quite similar..)

 

[k-dom]

How do you want us to comment if you do not make your posts more clear. What is your question exactly ?

 

[Schabrak]

Maybe he means action vs fanservice? Oo

jojo, are you high?

 

[FetherMan]

I think, Blackbeard will fight Kaidou and kill him. For some reason, I feel, Burgess being in Dressrosa isn't just for Ace's devil fruit.

 

[hokageji]

I think, Blackbeard will fight Kaidou and kill him. For some reason, I feel, Burgess being in Dressrosa isn't just for Ace's devil fruit.

Well if Blackbeard wants to become the pirate king, he will have to get rid of the other 3 Yonkous. BB already acknowledged that they were weaker than Shanks group during the Marinefold arc. In 2 years, BB's growth has turned out to be a force who others think is closest to becoming the pirate king.

Kaidou fight is possible, but it spoils whatever Luffy and co have been planning. Burgess could be here only because its a tournament. Someone who calls himself a champion would defineintely be interested in the tournament.
But again, with the BB showing their hunger for DF , sending Burgess would be an immediate choice. I think Burgess will want to kill Luffy so he can get the gomu gomu no mi.

 

[hoeru]

FT clearly sells SEX, nothing to add.

What popular Shounen manga does not? Is that some sort of ... bad?

 

[Googlez_kun]

What popular Shounen manga does not? Is that some sort of ... bad?

Naruto doesn't...like at all.
And while OP does have fan service, it doesn't rely on it. It feels natural. It's the same with Oda making dick and poop jokes.

 

[Schabrak]

Naruto doesn't...like at all.
And while OP does have fan service, it doesn't rely on it. It feels natural. It's the same with Oda making dick and poop jokes.

Naruto has less big breasted and thin waisted women appearing, but that only stems from the fact that Naruto's cast hasn't added any female characters in the last three years. Hinata, Mei, Tsunade, Samui or Mabui with their DDs? Karui's looking good also, Kurotsuchi is boyish. Also figurines:

You can't compare FT to neither OP nor Naruto, as it has Ecchi as it's genre unlike the second mentioned.

 

[hoeru]

Naruto doesn't...like at all.
And while OP does have fan service, it doesn't rely on it. It feels natural. It's the same with Oda making dick and poop jokes.

Untrue. Within the story, Oda does not provide that much dick and poop jokes - they only show up in the SBS. And - not that fan service only applied to female characters only - nearly all of the few females in Naruto are based on the prototype "big boobs, small waist, wide hips", while none of them is actually anywhere close to be a lead or major character with any major impact to the story. They're just eye candy, so "sex sells" also applies to Naruto.