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Nah his flashback was his flashback and the East Blue/Paradise arcs are the epic told by Oda.

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The one recieving the package has stolen himself Doflamingo and Kidd, but I love Kine'mon anyway. :) The Makino one is from the log memories series.
 

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I have just been thinking. Is Mihawk really the strongest swordsman in the world. Shanks is a swordman and according to Whitebeard he regularly battled Mihawk. Then Fujitora is also a swordsman. So does that mean that Mihawk is stronger than both Fujitora and Shanks? Or is it just a self proclaimed title?
 

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I have just been thinking. Is Mihawk really the strongest swordsman in the world. Shanks is a swordman and according to Whitebeard he regularly battled Mihawk. Then Fujitora is also a swordsman. So does that mean that Mihawk is stronger than both Fujitora and Shanks? Or is it just a self proclaimed title?
I think it refers to pure swordsmanship. Fujitora might be stronger more generally since his fruit is outrageously strong, but Mihawk's strength only comes from his mastery of the sword. Shanks is more complicated, but it's implied that Mihawk would beat Shanks in a sword fight, at least ever since he lost his arm. Of course Shanks position as a Yonkou is about more than just physical strength. Things like his CoC and the strength of his crew and his influence among other pirates come into it too.
 

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I think it refers to pure swordsmanship. Fujitora might be stronger more generally since his fruit is outrageously strong, but Mihawk's strength only comes from his mastery of the sword. Shanks is more complicated, but it's implied that Mihawk would beat Shanks in a sword fight, at least ever since he lost his arm. Of course Shanks position as a Yonkou is about more than just physical strength. Things like his CoC and the strength of his crew and his influence among other pirates come into it too.
So you are saying that you think in a fight, one on one, Mihawk can beat Shanks? Mihawk can withstand his CoC and from what we know shank's fighting style is based on his sword.

Also that means Mihawk is stronger than Shiki who is a swordsman who fought evenly with Rodger himself (even though he had a DF it stated his swordsman skills were on par with Rodger)! I really feel like this strongest swordsman in the world might not be true.
 
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Mihawk is the "World's Strongest Swordsman"; that is a fact stated by the infobox, which doesn't like. That fact is also irregardless of Shanks' position as a Yonkou. As far as general grasp of the argument of Mihawk vs Shanks, I think Spam286's post that you quoted pretty much sums up what it comes down to and also what I believe.

With that last point, I'm not sure if you're trying to conclude that Mihawk is a stronger swordsman than Roger by stating that he is superior to Shiki. First of all, him being stronger than Shiki is irrelevant as it's fact that he is the best swordsman in the world. Now Shiki being an equal to Roger on any fighting level is something that was never stated in the manga and therefore is entirely your opinion. All we know about Roger and Shiki is from their skirmishes in the New World, with their crews clashing. Nothing ever stated about single combat or one on one altercations.

Mihawk could be a greater swordsman than Roger, who knows? they are from 2 different eras and I doubt we'll ever find out besides our own drawn conclusions.
 

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Does anyone think there is another see? After the New World, I mean we know the redline "cuts" the grandline in two parts ..., could the new world be consisting of a few parts itself? I mean we know the yonko control "territories", these can not be near Raftel - the end of the grandline and the New World(SUPPOSEDLY!), The New World is not exactly explored, and only Roger did that, so have the Yonko not explored it enough as well?

My point is of another see somewhere "within" the New World hold Raftel, and no one knows how to get to it, but we will get to this new see only after major turmoil in this first part of the New World - Yonko falling, Shichibukai falling, that would cause a disturbance in the balance, making the World Government go all out on the pirates, which will ensure a NEW NEW AGE? After their defeat I do believe only pirates remain and all hungry for power go after One Piece.
 

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Mihawk is the "World's Strongest Swordsman"; that is a fact stated by the infobox, which doesn't like. That fact is also irregardless of Shanks' position as a Yonkou. As far as general grasp of the argument of Mihawk vs Shanks, I think Spam286's post that you quoted pretty much sums up what it comes down to and also what I believe.

With that last point, I'm not sure if you're trying to conclude that Mihawk is a stronger swordsman than Roger by stating that he is superior to Shiki. First of all, him being stronger than Shiki is irrelevant as it's fact that he is the best swordsman in the world. Now Shiki being an equal to Roger on any fighting level is something that was never stated in the manga and therefore is entirely your opinion. All we know about Roger and Shiki is from their skirmishes in the New World, with their crews clashing. Nothing ever stated about single combat or one on one altercations.

Mihawk could be a greater swordsman than Roger, who knows? they are from 2 different eras and I doubt we'll ever find out besides our own drawn conclusions.
It was insinuated by the fact that even though half of Shiki's crew was destroyed by a freak storm he ended up in a tie with Rodger and the fact that Garp and Sengoku in their prime had to take him on together.

I don't think him being stronger than Shiki is irrelevant at all. Shiki is a very good comparison to the past level of pirates.

I don't think anyone can argue against the fact that Shanks is admiral level in terms of fighting. His primary fighting weapon seems to be a sword as well. So my question is in a one on one fight do you think that Mihawk would beat Shanks?
 
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They didn't have to take him on together, they just chose to tag-team him, as he was rampaging the their HQ and only idiots would chose to attack/defend with one when they have a base full of powerhouses. How do I know that's a fact? By Oda repeatedly letting us know that Gol and Garp were nearly equal during their prime.
 

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They didn't have to take him on together, they just chose to tag-team him, as he was rampaging the their HQ and only idiots would chose to attack/defend with one when they have a base full of powerhouses. How do I know that's a fact? By Oda repeatedly letting us know that Gol and Garp were nearly equal during their prime.
That is a very fair point and I worded that badly as English is not my first language. My main question is still that do you think that Mihawk would beat Shanks in a one on one fight?
 

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That's a question for this thread, where I and others have answered and discussed that question multiple times IIRC.
 

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They didn't have to take him on together, they just chose to tag-team him, as he was rampaging the their HQ and only idiots would chose to attack/defend with one when they have a base full of powerhouses. How do I know that's a fact? By Oda repeatedly letting us know that Gol and Garp were nearly equal during their prime.
Shiki might have been a Yonko in his prime he was younger, he had exp (which he lost during prison time) with one of the strongest Paramecia DF, he had both his legs and could use both his swords at will so my guess is that in a 1vs1 fight against Garp or Sengoku both sides would take serious damage even though Shiki might lost.
 

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Nobody said Garp or Sengoku would dominate, just that there is no reason to believe that Garp couldn't handle the situation by himself.
 

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A fan-made Illustration of devil fruits as showcased by Sanji; categorised by Paramecia, Zoan, Logia. Then the last few are un-named devil fruits.

Very well done too, some of them are awesome, really :XD.
 

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That's a question for this thread, where I and others have answered and discussed that question multiple times IIRC.
I have read this thread you guys never came up with a conclusion. I wanted to rebring it up here. The theory I currently agree with is that Shanks couldn't have the title of the strongest swordsman and Yonko so he gave Mihawk the title.
 

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Hawkeye is the greatest swordsman because he's just that, while Shanks is an Emperor because well he's just that. Mihawks sword skills will likely be the best within the mange, but that doesn't mean that someone else couldn't be stronger[Newgate] or reign over a certain territory[Shanks, Big Mam, Blackbeard, Kaidou].

There is no defnite answer to your question, as far as Oda has given us information, it could go both ways or end with a tie.
 

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Okay I need a call on a translation here: is it kiadou the beast or kiadou of a 1000 beasts........if he is a zoanfruit user what type of animal controls all others....if he's of a 1000 best what type of fruit would alllow you to control so many beast.
 
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