One Piece Mega Convo Thread

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Zoro took too much "creatine"

 

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THAT ZORO.

Why it does this to my heart? T_T

 

[Ketimatsu]

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These are assumptions. We know nothing of Kaidou in the end. All Law said might be false since it was all about dragging Luffy into his plan to force Doflamingo to butt heads with him.
Yonkou on other level on what? The admirals the Yonkou and the Shichibukai are the strongest. Where is it mentionned than Yonkous have to be stronger?
Kaidou is called "the strongest creature" this is something different. DD, did not seem to have any problem to face Aokiji, a former admiral.

White beard did not fight using pure strength, or do you consider attacking with an earthquake pure strength?
What about Luffy? Would be bold to say we saw him 100% since the time laps. Everytime he was not supposed to be strong enough, yet he managed to defeat his opponent. Now he has the strongest haki, he should be able to fight anybody on the same ground, pure strength speaking....

BTW when Law spoke about forming alliances, it is more about the number of ships under the Yonkou's orders, than a problem to fight them 1vs 1. As far as we know...

 

[Holt]

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These are assumptions. We know nothing of Kaidou in the end. All Law said might be false since it was all about dragging Luffy into his plan to force Doflamingo to butt heads with him.

We know kaidou is a yonko, we know the other SN (kidd, apoo, Hawkins) formed an alliance to battle a yonko. Aside from what law said, we saw how far DD was willing to go and his reaction when he found out law had taken caesar.
So we know its not false. Kaido instills that much fear in DD.

Yonkou on other level on what? The admirals the Yonkou and the Shichibukai are the strongest. Where is it mentionned than Yonkous have to be stronger?
Kaidou is called "the strongest creature" this is something different. DD, did not seem to have any problem to face Aokiji, a former admiral.

Shanks arriving caused both shichubukia and Admirals to end the war. Prior to that, they were still raring to go for each others throat even after WB and Ace's deaths until shanks intervened.
Then you add the fact that the marines assembled their entire forces: admirals and Vice admirals, the shichubukia and even a number of pacifista and all this was to battle one yonko. The strongest one ofcourse but still, we are talking about one yonko.

The shichubukia and Marines are both under the world government. They emphasize that losing even one shichubukia disrupts the balance, which means its actually 7 shichubukia and 4 admirals (plus the fleet admiral) for a total of 11 to balance out 4 yonko.

DD left smoker because aokiji came. He would have killed him otherwise.

White beard did not fight using pure strength, or do you consider attacking with an earthquake pure strength?

I never said throughout the war, I was referring to when blackbeard negated his DF abilities.

What about Luffy? Would be bold to say we saw him 100% since the time laps. Everytime he was not supposed to be strong enough, yet he managed to defeat his opponent. Now he has the strongest haki, he should be able to fight anybody on the same ground, pure strength speaking....

We dunno how luffy's haki compares to others. DD also has haoshoku though. I don't recall CoC allowing one to fight on equal ground with everyone.

BTW when Law spoke about forming alliances, it is more about the number of ships under the Yonkou's orders, than a problem to fight them 1vs 1. As far as we know...

That's your own opinion on it. Law never said so. Its quite natural to be more wary of the yonko himself than his fleet.

 

[Ketimatsu]

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Shanks arriving caused both shichubukia and Admirals to end the war. Prior to that, they were still raring to go for each others throat even after WB and Ace's deaths until shanks intervened.
Then you add the fact that the marines assembled their entire forces: admirals and Vice admirals, the shichubukia and even a number of pacifista and all this was to battle one yonko. The strongest one ofcourse but still, we are talking about one yonko.

Against one Yonkou, sure, how did you read the arc exactly? Maybe you should check the number of vessels and allies who were with White Beard during the war, before saying such things. Whitebeard faced Sakazuki 1vs1 for instance, and I would not say he won....

I never said throughout the war, I was referring to when blackbeard negated his DF abilities

Here again I advise you to check this moment, you will see that after slashing Black beard, when he holds his throat he uses his power.

We dunno how luffy's haki compares to others. DD also has haoshoku though. I don't recall CoC allowing one to fight on equal ground with everyone.

We know he is most skilled for the Haoshoku, that he is strong when attacking and weak when defending. And basically, yes the Haki allows him to fight with anybody.

BTW when Law spoke about forming alliances, it is more about the number of ships under the Yonkou's orders, than a problem to fight them 1vs 1. As far as we know...
That's your own opinion on it. Law never said so. Its quite natural to be more wary of the yonko himself than his fleet.

No it is not my opinion; Law said explains it with the alliance.

DD left smoker because aokiji came. He would have killed him otherwise.

He tried to, but Aokiji froze him first. Even though he walked away, did not seem a big deal to him to fight, Aokiji did not try to prevent him from escaping either.

The shichubukia and Marines are both under the world government. They emphasize that losing even one shichubukia disrupts the balance, which means its actually 7 shichubukia and 4 admirals (plus the fleet admiral) for a total of 11 to balance out 4 yonko.

They are to be seen as independant forces, you do not add them. And it is 3 admirals.

 

[Holt]

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Against one Yonkou, sure, how did you read the arc exactly? Maybe you should check the number of vessels and allies who were with White Beard during the war, before saying such things. Whitebeard faced Sakazuki 1vs1 for instance, and I would not say he won....

He didn't conclude a fight with him or the other admirals. However, he individually faced the 3 admirals at different times, and even though he was ill, none could get the jump on him despite him being sick and weakened.

WB knocked down akainu, and we didn't see him from a while.

As for the number of vessels, we saw that most of them were hardly problems. His commanders (marco/jozu), WB himself and Luffy/Impel down allies (ivankov, crocodile, jinbei) were the power behind the war.
A large fleet is meaningless if the top brass is weak.

They are to be seen as independant forces, you do not add them. And it is 3 admirals.

I know they are independent forces, however, the world government commands both.
3 admirals and a fleet admiral. I'm referring to the amount of firepower they brought to fight a yonko.

Here again I advise you to check this moment, you will see that after slashing Black beard, when he holds his throat he uses his power.

The slashing qualifies as his own strength. The point was that he remained unfazed by BB negating his power. Still got him down without it and had no problem doing so. He used his power after that. I daresay, WB running his bisento through BB would have been damn effective.

We know he is most skilled for the Haoshoku, that he is strong when attacking and weak when defending. And basically, yes the Haki allows him to fight with anybody.

On what do you base that? Is that because he's luffy? He isn't as far as we know. Iirc, oda said in an SBS that shanks could have knocked out all 100,000 of the fishmen.
The haki gives no such benefit. CoC simply allows him to knock out weak-willed people as well as subdue beasts. There hasn't been a single thing to indicate it allows the user to fight equally with anyone.

No it is not my opinion; Law said explains it with the alliance.

Ok. But where did he say that though? I do not recall.

He tried to, but Aokiji froze him first. Even though he walked away, did not seem a big deal to him to fight, Aokiji did not try to prevent him from escaping either.

Aokiji was not interested in fighting him. Nothing seems like a big deal to DD, except kaido. However, we saw that aokiji coming was why DD left.

 

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He didn't conclude a fight with him or the other admirals. However, he individually faced the 3 admirals at different times, and even though he was ill, none could get the jump on him despite him being sick and weakened.

WB knocked down akainu, and we didn't see him from a while.

Same way around. He never was able to get down any of the admirals. AkaInu was sent away, he came back even though he was bleeding and injured, still ready to fight.

As for the number of vessels, we saw that most of them were hardly problems. His commanders (marco/jozu), WB himself and Luffy/Impel down allies (ivankov, crocodile, jinbei) were the power behind the war.
A large fleet is meaningless if the top brass is weak.

Nothing to argue here, just to say all the forces you presented were facing an army. It was not all the marines against one Yonkou alone.

On what do you base that? Is that because he's luffy? He isn't as far as we know. Iirc, oda said in an SBS that shanks could have knocked out all 100,000 of the fishmen.
The haki gives no such benefit. CoC simply allows him to knock out weak-willed people as well as subdue beasts. There hasn't been a single thing to indicate it allows the user to fight equally with anyone.

It is in the manga.... Oda said out of the three Luffy was skiled for this one. And Luffy said himself if his Haki was powerful to attack, it is weak when defending.
Haki itself allows you to fight with anybody, Logia and stuff as far as we know.

Ok. But where did he say that though? I do not recall.

When he explains the alliance to the Mugiwara. Yonkous control big areas and have many people, this is how he justifies the alliance, saying a ship alone would not even get the chance to see the captain's face.

Aokiji was not interested in fighting him. Nothing seems like a big deal to DD, except kaido. However, we saw that aokiji coming was why DD left.

Still, not bothered fighting with a former admiral, says long about his strength and confidence. Can check as well, it is said Mihawk faced many times Shanks, it was never said Shanks overpowered him, and we are talking about a Shichibukai vs a Yonkou. Again we know nothing of Kaidou or of his powers, neither why DD is affraid of him.

 

[Holt]

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Same way around. He never was able to get down any of the admirals. AkaInu was sent away, he came back even though he was bleeding and injured, still ready to fight.

Yeah, but we're talking about a sick dying man, also, akainu came back ready to fight but WB thought he had taken care of him and had also moved on to attack BB.

Nothing to argue here, just to say all the forces you presented were facing an army. It was not all the marines against one Yonkou alone.

It was. Luffy and co arriving was unexpected but the Marines had still gathered all their forces to battle WB.

It is in the manga.... Oda said out of the three Luffy was skiled for this one. And Luffy said himself if his Haki was powerful to attack, it is weak when defending.
Haki itself allows you to fight with anybody, Logia and stuff as far as we know.

Which refers to luffy in particular. Like how sanji's mastery is best with CoO and Zoro with CoA. Although I don't even remember it being said that CoC was luffy's greatest.
Haki allows you to be able to touch and attack logia's and also significantly strengthen attacks/defence (among other things)but it doesn't mean you can fight on equal ground with everyone.

When he explains the alliance to the Mugiwara. Yonkous control big areas and have many people, this is how he justifies the alliance, saying a ship alone would not even get the chance to see the captain's face.

What I remember him saying is that in the new world, you survive by either going under a yonko's umbrella or constantly opposing them. BB for example became a yonko with his own crew (about 10 or so if I'm not mistaken). Well, we do not have explicit details about when and how he did so, but after marineford, the gorosei already made a theory about him being the next yonko.

Still, not bothered fighting with a former admiral, says long about his strength and confidence. Again we know nothing of Kaidou or of his powers, neither why DD is affraid of him.

No, that doesn't say anything about his strength. He left without engaging aokiji afterall. The fact that he without confrontation says a lot as well.
I'm not disputing the shichubukia are strong, but from the manga's indication, the yonko are top brass.



DD is afraid of him because he isn't one to forgive easily. That's why law's initial plan was to prevent DD from being able to give kaido smile so kaido would kill him for failing.

 

[Mohsen]

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He didn't conclude a fight with him or the other admirals. However, he individually faced the 3 admirals at different times, and even though he was ill, none could get the jump on him despite him being sick and weakened.

WB knocked down akainu, and we didn't see him from a while.

As for the number of vessels, we saw that most of them were hardly problems. His commanders (marco/jozu), WB himself and Luffy/Impel down allies (ivankov, crocodile, jinbei) were the power behind the war.
A large fleet is meaningless if the top brass is weak.



I know they are independent forces, however, the world government commands both.
3 admirals and a fleet admiral. I'm referring to the amount of firepower they brought to fight a yonko.



The slashing qualifies as his own strength. The point was that he remained unfazed by BB negating his power. Still got him down without it and had no problem doing so. He used his power after that. I daresay, WB running his bisento through BB would have been damn effective.





On what do you base that? Is that because he's luffy? He isn't as far as we know. Iirc, oda said in an SBS that shanks could have knocked out all 100,000 of the fishmen.
The haki gives no such benefit. CoC simply allows him to knock out weak-willed people as well as subdue beasts. There hasn't been a single thing to indicate it allows the user to fight equally with anyone.





Ok. But where did he say that though? I do not recall.




Aokiji was not interested in fighting him. Nothing seems like a big deal to DD, except kaido. However, we saw that aokiji coming was why DD left.

The way I see it is that if garp and Sengoku would have chosen to take an active part in that war then WB's crew would have lost immediately. It's all thanks to the WG's stupid pride that the Fleet admiral and Garp didn't take an active role in the war at all. Garp punshed Marco once and this resulted in marco never trying again to go near the scaffold and most of the pirates lost hope when Garp punshed marco.

I would say Garp,Sengoku and the three Admirals are more than enough to handle WB and his immedite crew. Akainu alone took all of WB's crew+Crocodile on.

 

[Holt]

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I would say Garp,Sengoku and the three Admirals are more than enough to handle WB and his immedite crew. Akainu alone took all of WB's crew+Crocodile on.

Probably but I'm talking about WB himself though. So far there isn't any one person that we can say would take on WB solo and defeat him. Although its possible since he was ailing.

My point is luffy hasn't displayed anything to indicate he can go 1 on 1 with a yonko (without their respective crews involved) and win.

WB also took the on marines and all alone after he separated his crew and allies from himself and told them to leave and also before BB came.

 

[Mohsen]

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Probably but I'm talking about WB himself though. So far there isn't any one person that we can say would take on WB solo and defeat him. Although its possible since he was ailing.

My point is luffy hasn't displayed anything to indicate he can go 1 on 1 with a yonko (without their respective crews involved) and win.

WB also took the on marines and all alone after he separated his crew and allies from himself and told them to leave and also before BB came.

This is wrong. It was mentioned more than once in the manga that the only two beings who were equal to roger in a fight are WB and Garp. So how Garp could nearly kill roger but not WB is a questionable opinion. So the marines had at least one fighter if not two that could fight WB even if he wasn't ill equally ( I consider segoku to also be up there with them). Sengoku even showed afterwards that he can reflect WB's shockwaves with his own palm of buddha shockwaves against BB.

I agree that Luffy doesn't stand a chacne against a Yonkou. Roger needed like 10-20 years to conquer the GL so how some here think that Luffy will do it in like 4 years is questionable. Cause if Luffy already can fight a yonkou one on one now then there wouldn't be much standing in his way to find raftel.

 

[Ketimatsu]

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Yeah, but we're talking about a sick dying man, also, akainu came back ready to fight but WB thought he had taken care of him and had also moved on to attack BB.





It was. Luffy and co arriving was unexpected but the Marines had still gathered all their forces to battle WB.





Which refers to luffy in particular. Like how sanji's mastery is best with CoO and Zoro with CoA. Although I don't even remember it being said that CoC was luffy's greatest.
Haki allows you to be able to touch and attack logia's and also significantly strengthen attacks/defence (among other things)but it doesn't mean you can fight on equal ground with everyone.



What I remember him saying is that in the new world, you survive by either going under a yonko's umbrella or constantly opposing them. BB for example became a yonko with his own crew (about 10 or so if I'm not mistaken). Well, we do not have explicit details about when and how he did so, but after marineford, the gorosei already made a theory about him being the next yonko.



No, that doesn't say anything about his strength. He left without engaging aokiji afterall. The fact that he without confrontation says a lot as well.
I'm not disputing the shichubukia are strong, but from the manga's indication, the yonko are top brass.



DD is afraid of him because he isn't one to forgive easily. That's why law's initial plan was to prevent DD from being able to give kaido smile so kaido would kill him for failing.

You see things where you want to see them, this is full of assumption, again. Nothing said WB thought he took care of anybody, on the verge of dying he went on a rampage on Sakazuki and BB. That's it.
Marines to battle WB, and his commanders and crews and all his allies.... do not think 3 admirals alone would have been enough.

Again, in the world developped so far, Haki means you can fight with anybody. Who knows maybe there is a power user who an anihilate Haki, maybe Bartolomeo can defend against any Haki, but who cares. So far Haki, is the power used by the greatest and strongest pirates.

Top brass? Mihawk vs Shanks? Nothing says one overpowered the other, one more time.

DD managed to unfreeze himself, quite an accomplishment, that is an indusputable fact that says a lot.

Read again, he explains to the crew what I just mentionned, in addition to what you just mentionned.

What is the problem with Luffy facing a Yonkou? When he defeated Crocodile, he was weaker than him but he managed to find a way to fight despite the sands power. And he lost two times against him, and saved two times by Robin. And the same logic applies: some Yonkous are probably stronger than the others. Shichibukai were and are not equivalent

 

[Holt]

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This is wrong. It was mentioned more than once in the manga that the only two beings who were equal to roger in a fight are WB and Garp. So how Garp could nearly kill roger but not WB is a questionable opinion. So the marines had at least one fighter if not two that could fight WB even if he wasn't ill equally ( I consider segoku to also be up there with them). Sengoku even showed afterwards that he can reflect WB's shockwaves with his own palm of buddha shockwaves against BB.

I don't think it was said that garp nearly killed Roger. He was said to have cornered him numerous times and was his rival. I know that garp can fight him, but I said defeat. Although to be fair, its speculation who would win if WB and Garp fight (without being hindered). I tend to lean to WB though considering that he was called the worlds strongest man after Roger's death.

 

[ThazaOp]

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You Guys are getting something wrong. Garp was not realy taking action because Ace was his fucking son. And Garp hunted Fucking Gol D. Roger and batteled him more then once. I belive Gar is at least as strong as Whitebeard was in that fight. He is probaly the one with the best Aramant Haki in the hole OP Universe right now....

 

[Mohsen]

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I don't think it was said that garp nearly killed Roger. He was said to have cornered him numerous times and was his rival. I know that garp can fight him, but I said defeat. Although to be fair, its speculation who would win if WB and Garp fight (without being hindered). I tend to lean to WB though considering that he was called the worlds strongest man after Roger's death.

Are you sure? I'm pretty sure Roger himself said that he and Garp always nearly killed each other,
Here a link to the chap:
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-17409-5/one-piece/chapter-551.html

I wonder why a lot of OP readers tend to underestimate garp and segoku. Both of them are of the generation of WB and a fight between garp and WB would have probably resulted in the destruction and death of many bystanders on marineford.

 

[Holt]

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You see things where you want to see them, this is full of assumption, again. Nothing said WB thought he took care of anybody, on the verge of dying he went on a rampage on Sakazuki and BB. That's it.
Marines to battle WB, and his commanders and crews and all his allies.... do not think 3 admirals alone would have been enough.

This doesn't really matter. The WG apparently ranks admirals, shichubukia and Yonko as equals. Yet they summoned all to fight one yonko. Doesn't really matter the circumstances, if their entire forces are expended fighting just one yonko, what of the other 3?

Again, in the world developped so far, Haki means you can fight with anybody. Who knows maybe there is a power user who an anihilate Haki, maybe Bartolomeo can defend against any Haki, but who cares. So far Haki, is the power used by the greatest and strongest pirates.

Haki allows you fight, doesn't mean you can fight equally. Chinjao for example had CoC, and yet he wasn't much to write home about. Vergo could do full body hardening, didn't prevent law from beating him easily. The list goes on. Even back at the war, ace and jozu used haki but barely fazed akainu. In the New world, haki is pretty common. Its like a prerequisite to survive in the NW.

I never said haki wouldn't allow him to fight with anyone, simply that it doesn't automatically translate to him being able to match everyone.

DD managed to unfreeze himself, quite an accomplishment, that is an indusputable fact that says a lot.

Aokiji can make easily make ice far larger than that. One half of punk hazard is permanently frozen thanks to him. DD unfroze himself and left. That doesn't actually say/mean anything. He's a shichubukia, that much is expected of him.

Read again, he explains to the crew what I just mentionned, in addition to what you just mentionned.

I read again and I saw nothing about that.

What is the problem with Luffy facing a Yonkou? When he defeated Crocodile, he was weaker than him but he managed to find a way to fight despite the sands power. And he lost two times against him, and saved two times by Robin. And the same logic applies: some Yonkous are probably stronger than the others. Shichibukai were and are not equivalent

Problem being that at the moment Kaido> DD, significant enough because DD mocks admirals (Issho and Aokiji) and yet fears kaido. Luffy is also seemingly not as strong as DD, going by showings or perhaps they are equals.
This is like saying after seeing luffy struggle and win against lucci and crocodile, that means he can take on admirals.

Anyway this is off topic. You inadvertently admitted that even though kaido is stronger, luffy might find a way around him. That's all well and good, however, the point remains that he is stronger at the moment...and apparently by a significant gap.
We all know luffy would eventually succeed in defeating the yonko and becoming pirate king. That doesn't mean he is capable of it at this time.

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Are you sure? I'm pretty sure Roger himself said that he and Garp always nearly killed each other,
Here a link to the chap:
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-17409-5/one-piece/chapter-551.html

I wonder why a lot of OP readers tend to underestimate garp and segoku. Both of them are of the generation of WB and a fight between garp and WB would have probably resulted in the destruction and death of many bystanders on marineford.

Oh right. That clears it then.

I don't underestimate garp/sengoku. Whitebeard acknowledged both of them different times so I know they're a match for him. Like I said, who wins if they fight unhindered is speculation but I lean towards WB. Its a matter of opinion since it was never really cleared up who is the strongest out of those 3.

 

[Mohsen]

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This doesn't really matter. The WG apparently ranks admirals, shichubukia and Yonko as equals. Yet they summoned all to fight one yonko. Doesn't really matter the circumstances, if their entire forces are expended fighting just one yonko, what of the other 3?



Haki allows you fight, doesn't mean you can fight equally. Chinjao for example had CoC, and yet he wasn't much to write home about. Vergo could do full body hardening, didn't prevent law from beating him easily. The list goes on. Even back at the war, ace and jozu used haki but barely fazed akainu. In the New world, haki is pretty common. Its like a prerequisite to survive in the NW.

I never said haki wouldn't allow him to fight with anyone, simply that it doesn't automatically translate to him being able to match everyone.




Aokiji can make easily make ice far larger than that. One half of punk hazard is permanently frozen thanks to him. DD unfroze himself and left. That doesn't actually say/mean anything. He's a shichubukia, that much is expected of him.



I read again and I saw nothing about that.



Problem being that at the moment Kaido> DD, significant enough because DD mocks admirals (Issho and Aokiji) and yet fears kaido. Luffy is also seemingly not as strong as DD, going by showings or perhaps they are equals.
This is like saying after seeing luffy struggle and win against lucci and crocodile, that means he can take on admirals.

Anyway this is off topic. You inadvertently admitted that even though kaido is stronger, luffy might find a way around him. That's all well and good, however, the point remains that he is stronger at the moment...and apparently by a significant gap.
We all know luffy would eventually succeed in defeating the yonko and becoming pirate king. That doesn't mean he is capable of it at this time.

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Oh right. That clears it then.

I don't underestimate garp/sengoku. Whitebeard acknowledged both of them different times so I know they're a match for him. Like I said, who wins if they fight unhindered is speculation but I lean towards WB. Its a matter of opinion since it was never really cleared up who is the strongest out of those 3.

The term strongest is IMO not to be taken literally. Cause for a fact we know that hawkeyes is not the strongest swordsman cause raleigh and shanks are equal to him and WB is not the strongest man cause Garp,raleigh and Sengoku are equal to him. It is only a title to say he is one of the strongest beings out there.

 

[Holt]

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The term strongest is IMO not to be taken literally. Cause for a fact we know that hawkeyes is not the strongest swordsman cause raleigh and shanks are equal to him and WB is not the strongest man cause Garp,raleigh and Sengoku are equal to him. It is only a title to say he is one of the strongest beings out there.

Not just the title. There are other things as well.

I wouldn't say rayleigh is on the same level with Garp/sengoku/WB except rayleigh was on Roger's level too, which shouldn't be the case.

 

[Mohsen]

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Not just the title. There are other things as well.

I wouldn't say rayleigh is on the same level with Garp/sengoku/WB except rayleigh was on Roger's level too, which shouldn't be the case.

Let me remind you of what garp said:
The WG won't be able to handle Raleigh and WB at the same time. What does this tell you? And raleigh=Zoro of the old generation. and we know that Zoro and Luffy are near equal strength-wise or?