One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[nik87]

Yes, but it's not being a great fighter if you can't fight without swords. Zoro has also been forced to fight without swords as well, if I recall correctly (although this was only during Davy Jones?), and he managed to do good deal of damage.

Going by that logic, Garp and Sengoku arent great fighters because they suck with swords...

 

[thedude]

Sure, nobody dared to attack shanks, except that kidd made an alliance for that......
Also shanks crew were afraid when they saw hawkeye in his territory (when he informed about luffy)

When did i say mihawk is the strongest fighter? He is just the strongest in swordsmanship and no one can beat him, including shanks

lol, go back to the chapter and tell me if Shanks actual crew looked like they even gave half a care that Mihawk was there. I'm not talking about faceless nobodies, I'm talking the actual crew, who silently sat there as if Mihawk wasn't there.

We have no evidence that Mihawk even beat Shanks in a duel. They were evenly matched as swordsmen and had epic duels that everyone knew about, and then never fought again when Shanks lost his arm. To say that Shanks can't beat him is just made up fan service.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

lol, go back to the chapter and tell me if Shanks actual crew looked like they even gave half a care that Mihawk was there. I'm not talking about faceless nobodies, I'm talking the actual crew, who silently sat there as if Mihawk wasn't there.

We have no evidence that Mihawk even beat Shanks in a duel. They were evenly matched as swordsmen and had epic duels that everyone knew about, and then never fought again when Shanks lost his arm. To say that Shanks can't beat him is just made up fan service.

The "faceless nobodies" are still the shanks crew, so i still stand correct.
So if there is no evidence, why do you keep saying shanks is stronger then? You contradicted urself

 

[thedude]

The "faceless nobodies" are still the shanks crew, so i still stand correct.
So if there is no evidence, why do you keep saying shanks is stronger then? You contradicted urself

I say there is no evidence that one was a better swordsman than the other. There is evidence that Shanks is stronger overall, and that is all we really have. That evidence is in Shank position in the world, Yonko, in his ending the Paramount War, in his lack of fear walking directly on WB's ship and clashing with him, etc.

Everything else requires us to twist and turn things we made up in our heads. I don't bother with that.

 

[nik87]

They were evenly matched as swordsmen and had epic duels that everyone knew about, and then never fought again when Shanks lost his arm. To say that Shanks can't beat him is just made up fan service.

If he couldnt beat Mihawk with 2 arms, what makes you think he can do it with 1?

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

I say there is no evidence that one was a better swordsman than the other. There is evidence that Shanks is stronger overall, and that is all we really have. That evidence is in Shank position in the world, Yonko, in his ending the Paramount War, in his lack of fear walking directly on WB's ship and clashing with him, etc.

Everything else requires us to twist and turn things we made up in our heads. I don't bother with that.

Pretty sure you already the twist thing.
Mihawk also walked alone into a whole crew of yonko by himself. Shanks crew also was nearby the WB ship, for your information.

Shanks is swordman and mihawk is still the WSS. That means shanks cannot beat mihawk, unless you can give me proof that shanks used DF or another power up

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If he couldnt beat Mihawk with 2 arms, what makes you think he can do it with 1?

Hahaha good point

 

[thedude]

If he couldnt beat Mihawk with 2 arms, what makes you think he can do it with 1?

You can hold a sword with one hand? In fact, sabre's are one handed, and Shanks wouldn't need (or be able to use) both hands to fight with it. But of course Shanks also has his likely superior Haki and other methods of fighting.

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Pretty sure you already the twist thing.
Mihawk also walked alone into a whole crew of yonko by himself. Shanks crew also was nearby the WB ship, for your information.

Shanks is swordman and mihawk is still the WSS. That means shanks cannot beat mihawk, unless you can give me proof that shanks used DF or another power up

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Hahaha good point

The only reason Mihawk has the title is because he sought it out. And he stopped dueling Shanks.

Anyway, this is all circular. Oda has shown it enough, I can't be bothered anymore to go in circles with swordboi's, it's all so silly. "titles matter...but not Yonko..that one doesn't". Yawn

 

[HereNThere]

Actually, yeah.

Between unsubstantiated claims and circular arguments, I don't think there is a point in this thread anymore.

The OP's question has been reasonably answered by now.

Continue this in the Power Level thread since that's all it turned into anyway.

 

[nik87]

@thedude "You can hold a sword with one hand? In fact, sabre's are one handed, and Shanks wouldn't need (or be able to use) both hands to fight with it. But of course Shanks also has his likely superior Haki and other methods of fighting."

Losing a hand certainly isnt something that could have helped him beat MIhawk when with both arms he couldnt do it...
"...likely superior haki..." is not playing in Shanks' favor, Kokuto speaks in Mihawk's favor instead.
Other methods of fighting are superior to sword fighting?

 

[thedude]

@thedude "You can hold a sword with one hand? In fact, sabre's are one handed, and Shanks wouldn't need (or be able to use) both hands to fight with it. But of course Shanks also has his likely superior Haki and other methods of fighting."

Losing a hand certainly isnt something that could have helped him beat MIhawk when with both arms he couldnt do it...
"...likely superior haki..." is not playing in Shanks' favor, Kokuto speaks in Mihawk's favor instead.
Other methods of fighting are superior to sword fighting?

You'd think losing an arm would hurt him, and yet, 6 years later he becomes a Yonko who even though he had a small crew, Big Mom didn't think she could beat unless she had giants on her side .

Kokuto only speaks to Mihawks favor because you decided on your own that it is the supreme form of haki. Other methods of fighting supplant sword fighting. Garp doesn't use a sword, but he and Roger alone were able to crush the Rocks pirates. Luffy has fought the leader of each crew the SH's have fought, and he doesn't fight with a sword, nor does he seem inclined to pick one up and learn it. Akainu doesn't fight with one, etc, etc, etc.

Honestly, this is boring me now. Swordboi's just talk in circles to try to convince you that in the end, Zoro will be stronger than the protagonist of the shonen. I mean...why even argue this lol.

 

[nik87]

You'd think losing an arm would hurt him, and yet, 6 years later he becomes a Yonko who even though he had a small crew, Big Mom didn't think she could beat unless she had giants on her side .

Giants are no help in 1vs1... Kaido was gathering army too to beat Oden's forces combined with Hyogoro's... Is getting a Yonko title making you stronger?

Kokuto only speaks to Mihawks favor because you decided on your own that it is the supreme form of haki.

I havent decided anywhere, that's what manga is hinting towards. Whatever it is, Shanks cant do it.

Garp doesn't use a sword, but he and Roger alone were able to crush the Rocks pirates. Luffy has fought the leader of each crew the SH's have fought, and he doesn't fight with a sword, nor does he seem inclined to pick one up and learn it. Akainu doesn't fight with one, etc, etc, etc.

Garp has never been shown on the panel how he fights swordsmen and we dont know if he ever actually did it. Only off-panel feats and pure guessing just like entire God Valley incident. Conveniently each of those leaders that Luffy fought werent swordsmen to make it easy for Luffy.
Akainu is a producer logia, his DF produces the element which acts as a weapon, he isnt putting his body in harm's way... Luckily for him, WB forgot about his weapon when he cheap-shotted him, it would be hard to justify surviving bisento splitting him in half. Punches arent lethal so they were picked.

Honestly, this is boring me now. Swordboi's just talk in circles to try to convince you that in the end, Zoro will be stronger than the protagonist of the shonen. I mean...why even argue this lol.

I know it's boring since it cannot be disproven... I didnt realize there were so many Shanks fans...

 

[Fox666]

Highly doubt this. Whitebeard was taken down, but there was no alliance after that. I think Big Mom and Kaidou formed an alliance because of their shared enmity in Luffy. Even if they did, there'd likely be betrayal at some point as each Emperor bar Whitebeard (and possibly Shanks) want to become the Pirate King.

If they wanted to, they could have formed an alliance to take down the Marines long ago.

But it was Whitebeard who attacked the Marines. If it was the other way around, the Emperors would have to take action.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Time to bury this Mihawk nonsense once and for all. I came across something interesting these past few weeks. In one of the last 5 episodes of Oda's SBS, he seemed to confirm that Mihawk's title is purely based on his skill with the sword just as any brilliant mind would think.
Mihawk is the greatest swordsman (this applies to females too BTW) in the world and that's purely based on his swordsmanship. Of course he's strong as you'd expect from a master swordsman but that doesn't put him on the same level as the Yonkos or Admirals.

Guess why?
The SBS goes thus:

Q: Please tell me the name of Whitebeard's huge "sword". Is that a Great sword?

O: Whitebeard's Naginata is called "Murakumogiri (Cloud Cutter)", it's a Supreme Grade Blade/Sword.

Whitebeard is considered a swordsman since he makes use of a sword according to Oda. Mihawk is not as strong as Whitebeard in any circumstance (Young/Prime/old and sick). In fact, 3 of the 5 Yonko (I'm not counting Luffy) known to date use swords and are all considered something else in terms of power level. They are in a league of their own - only Admirals come close.
Whitebeard as we all know is the strongest man in the world. He uses a great sword and yet he's not the greatest swordsman in the world. Of course his actual sword skills sucks. Just like Roger, he can swing a sword and wreak havoc but he's no master swordsman. Even Vista is a better swordsman than Whitebeard - no doubt.

The greatest swordsman title indicates nothing aside from mastery in swordsmanship that much is confirmed.
I'm sure after all this, a certain someone will come here trolling and defending his fanboyism.


Well... Here goes nothing.

 

[albertwv]

Why is Akainu so underestimated here?

Because he's not all that when you compare him to the Yonko. People overestimate him and think he's the EoS Villain, solely because he killed Ace and it is only fair for Luffy to fight him. But he is NOT stronger than any Yonko. Yes his DF is overpowered thats why he was able to damage WB that badly, but to think WB was not at this 100% when he fought Akainu.

Akainu is being overestimated just like Mihawk, but they havent been shown to be able to take down a Yonko.

 

[nik87]

Time to bury this Mihawk nonsense once and for all. I came across something interesting these past few weeks. In one of the last 5 episodes of Oda's SBS, he seemed to confirm that Mihawk's title is purely based on his skill with the sword just as any brilliant mind would think.
Mihawk is the greatest swordsman (this applies to females too BTW) in the world and that's purely based on his swordsmanship. Of course he's strong as you'd expect from a master swordsman but that doesn't put him on the same level as the Yonkos or Admirals.

Guess why?
The SBS goes thus:

Q: Please tell me the name of Whitebeard's huge "sword". Is that a Great sword?

O: Whitebeard's Naginata is called "Murakumogiri (Cloud Cutter)", it's a Supreme Grade Blade/Sword.

Whitebeard is considered a swordsman since he makes use of a sword according to Oda. Mihawk is not as strong as Whitebeard in any circumstance (Young/Prime/old and sick). In fact, 3 of the 5 Yonko (I'm not counting Luffy) known to date use swords and are all considered something else in terms of power level. They are in a league of their own - only Admirals come close.
Whitebeard as we all know is the strongest man in the world. He uses a great sword and yet he's not the greatest swordsman in the world. Of course his actual sword skills sucks. Just like Roger, he can swing a sword and wreak havoc but he's no master swordsman. Even Vista is a better swordsman than Whitebeard - no doubt.

The greatest swordsman title indicates nothing aside from mastery in swordsmanship that much is confirmed.
I'm sure after all this, a certain someone will come here trolling and defending his fanboyism.


Well... Here goes nothing.

Nice try but bisento is not a sword. Cant you tell a difference between a sword and a bisento?
Roger isnt a master swordsman? lol...

 

[Sereen123]

Quick question... Is Boa Hancock the second strongest women in one piece behind big mom? Like where would you guys rank her. I feel like she is around 2nd Commander or high 3rd commander lvl.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Quick question... Is Boa Hancock the second strongest women in one piece behind big mom? Like where would you guys rank her. I feel like she is around 2nd Commander or high 3rd commander lvl.

My headcannon says she's 1st Commander level, but I'm extremely biased for Hancock.

 

[HereNThere]

In terms of Akainu, he's got both in story and word of god hype as well as some decent feats. The war isn't really a great gauge of strength for certain characters, but it was made pretty clear that he was too much for literally everyone that wasn't named Whitebeard. If those two had a straight one on one, I imagine it'd end in Whitebeard's victory, but it'd probably take a few days.

As for Boa, she may be 1st Commander Level. Maybe a bit higher since she was one of the last Shichibukai and this final run to the end should consist of nothing but high tiers. So yeah, I see nothing wrong with calling her the 2nd strongest female pirate. At least until we see more from Katarina Devon.

 

[M3J]

But it was Whitebeard who attacked the Marines. If it was the other way around, the Emperors would have to take action.

But would they really ally with each other? Big Mom and Kaidou were part of the same crew but became enemies until Luffy.
And the Marines would never take action unless they know they have overwhelming power, so the Emperors would likely not need another Emperor to fight the Marines.

Quick question... Is Boa Hancock the second strongest women in one piece behind big mom? Like where would you guys rank her. I feel like she is around 2nd Commander or high 3rd commander lvl.

I'm assuming she could be the equivalent of Katakuri if not stronger, just because of her beauty and devil fruit alone. Otherwise she's shown to be an incredibly competent fighter with how she's damaged the Pacifista, but I'm not sure how she'd fare in an actual fight.

 

[Fox666]

But would they really ally with each other? Big Mom and Kaidou were part of the same crew but became enemies until Luffy.
And the Marines would never take action unless they know they have overwhelming power, so the Emperors would likely not need another Emperor to fight the Marines.

Whitebeard needed Shanks to assist him, so yeah I think the Marines have overwhelming power.