One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[XXGenesis]

Top 3 SN were pretty equal. But they could all defeat Moriah & Lucci with the same High Diff.

 

[thedude]

Top 3 SN were pretty equal. But they could all defeat Moriah & Lucci with the same High Diff.

Agree, but maybe less trouble. As they say in boxing, styles make fights. Luffy is a blunt force guy. Law's not as strong as him. But Law's DF is a hack that can win more easily. Look how he crushed Vergo once he got his heart back. Likewise, with metal around Kid's DF is also potentially overpowered.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Moriah in Oz would get owned by Law.

M: "I'm invincible in here!"
L: "GET OVER HERE"
*Room*
M: "Wtf"

 

[XXGenesis]

Moriah in Oz would get owned by Law.

M: "I'm invincible in here!"
L: "GET OVER HERE"
*Room*
M: "Wtf"

Yes, but not really.
Law's room I'm pretty sure couldn't reach that Size pre TS. He would probably chop him limb by limb....& then Mince because Oz would still probably move his limbs as weapons lmao...

Oz/Moria would pressure Law physically, keeping him on the run, and interrupting his ability, like Vergo did.

Law's DF has no counter besides Strong Ryu Haki....but overwhelming physicality (speed, reaction time) can overcome counter it

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Law's DF has no counter besides Strong Ryu Haki....but overwhelming physicality (speed, reaction time) can overcome counter it

 

[XXGenesis]

LmL...

Ryu haki affecting Law's DF is my speculative Headcannon..

Haki has a limited effect on DF abilities imo. Buggy ino his DF ability changes his body, same as Luffy..Haki cuts will hurt & kill him. If he can't negate it with a stronger haki..imo what Akainu did we just had poor representation at the time

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Haki has a limited effect on DF abilities imo. Buggy ino his DF ability changes his body, same as Luffy..Haki cuts will hurt & kill him. If he can't negate it with a stronger haki..imo what Akainu did we just had poor representation at the time

And that i will always debate. You cant really cut Buggy, not even with Haki. Thats his power, for a slash to be effective you must use the Yami Yami no Mi.

But hey you can still stab him.

 

[XXGenesis]

And that i will always debate. You cant really cut Buggy, not even with Haki. Thats his power, for a slash to be effective you must use the Yami Yami no Mi.

But hey you can still stab him.

We can Agree to disagree. I'm not going to re-write my explanation on why haki works on DF powers that changes someone's body..Over n over n over.

As to my head cannon comments, I'll debate you on that. The Admirals used Ryu to block WB's Quake attack..I'm guessing Ryu can be but is also used to negate certain DF in a way...Ex Sugar, Ryu would prevent her from directly touching you, DF nullified. As with elemental attacks, you can block them w/o recieving damage

 

[thedude]

We can Agree to disagree. I'm not going to re-write my explanation on why haki works on DF powers that changes someone's body..Over n over n over.

As to my head cannon comments, I'll debate you on that. The Admirals used Ryu to block WB's Quake attack..I'm guessing Ryu can be but is also used to negate certain DF in a way...Ex Sugar, Ryu would prevent her from directly touching you, DF nullified. As with elemental attacks, you can block them w/o recieving damage

I think it's tough to say. Mihawk has haki, his sword is apparently covered in Haki at all times...and he couldn't cut Buggy...BUT! As I've said countless times, haki pre time skip doesn't really reflect where it has ended up post time skip. So maybe if Oda had a do over, maybe he'd write that differently.

Haki allows the user to hit the true form of a person who is a logia. Maybe Oda doesn't treat someone like Buggy, a paramecia, the same way? who can say, all we have is the manga (Mihawk slashes him), what we learned later (Mihawks black blade is a form of haki), and the result - Buggy isn't cut by a haki covered blade.

I think you are right about the Ryu though. The admirals put up a literal forcefiled with it.

 

[King Moe]

I highly doubt Mihawk was holding back cutting someone with Haki through the arc. In fact doubt anyone was holding back, reason we didn't see more physical stuff of Haki is due to Oda didn't want to spoil full stuff there and it's more like what many series do in putting stuff 'invisible' to the viewers before explaining them later and showing what truly happen.

Mihawk unable to cut Buggy is one of the reason why it hurts portrayal to see him that strong and plus Buggy is like Luffy to Enel in which he is ineffective to being cut as it's a natural defense as electricity to rubber. I doubt Mihawk would cut him down even full power as his body would split unconsciously to save him the same way. Thus reason why Buggy D. Clown is the reason is so great .

 

[Deleted member 169696]

Haki was the same pre-timeskip. Oda simply didn't want to color it black back then.

Even with haki Mihawk probably wouldn't be able to cut Buggy, because Buggy's fruit is a natural counter to sword cuts.

Also Mihawk's blade isn't constantly clad in haki. It's black, and its blackness adds to the hardness of the sword. But it doesn't yet mean it's always covered in haki.

 

[albertwv]

PRE TS
Law vs Lucci, I don't see Law lasting that long in fight against Lucci, yea his DF is hax but im sure Lucci could just keep his distance from him and still attack him with flying attacks. Lucci has better speed than Law.
Moria would find a way to get through Law with his shadow.

 

[Shasha23]

Haki was the same pre-timeskip. Oda simply didn't want to color it black back then.

Even with haki Mihawk probably wouldn't be able to cut Buggy, because Buggy's fruit is a natural counter to sword cuts.

Also Mihawk's blade isn't constantly clad in haki. It's black, and its blackness adds to the hardness of the sword. But it doesn't yet mean it's always covered in haki.

No dude that not how haki works, just like blunt force haki attacks work on Luffy, haki covered slashes will also work on Buggy.
CoA affects all DF users not just Luffy and logias.

 

[M3J]

CoA affecting Buggy makes sense, but that's if he doesn't split his body parts before impact.

 

[XXGenesis]

I think it's tough to say. Mihawk has haki, his sword is apparently covered in Haki at all times...and he couldn't cut Buggy...BUT! As I've said countless times, haki pre time skip doesn't really reflect where it has ended up post time skip. So maybe if Oda had a do over, maybe he'd write that differently.

Haki allows the user to hit the true form of a person who is a logia. Maybe Oda doesn't treat someone like Buggy, a paramecia, the same way? who can say, all we have is the manga (Mihawk slashes him), what we learned later (Mihawks black blade is a form of haki), and the result - Buggy isn't cut by a haki covered blade.

I think you are right about the Ryu though. The admirals put up a literal forcefiled with it.

DF changes a human body, wheter its can now emit substances, forces of nature..etc the constitution of the person is changed zoans & logia....

So True Form I interpret as, their Original human body/form.

I was hesitant to respond to Black blades being clad in haki all the time....From what I recall, the Blade is just permanently super durable.....Also hard to dispute since Swordsman can cut w/e they want and dont want..

 

[Fox666]

CoA affecting Buggy makes sense, but that's if he doesn't split his body parts before impact.

Aokiji did that against Whitebeard.

 

[XXGenesis]

Aokiji did that against Whitebeard.

As did Katakuri. & Trebol psychology tricks ppl into the same

 

[M3J]

Aokiji did that against Whitebeard.

Yeah, and if Whitebeard hit Aokiji with haki before he was able to avoid it by using his devil fruit, then he probably would have kept the damage. But then again, this is pre-timeskip, and I can't expect Oda to remain consistent with that.

 

[nik87]

No dude that not how haki works, just like blunt force haki attacks work on Luffy, haki covered slashes will also work on Buggy.
CoA affects all DF users not just Luffy and logias.

Yes it affects them but doesnt prevent their DF's from working and Buggy being actually cut is preventing his fruit from working.
I think swordsmen will have to either punch Buggy or use the flat side of the blade and smash him with it Kaido style to harm him.

 

[Shasha23]

Yes it affects them but doesnt prevent their DF's from working and Buggy being actually cut is preventing his fruit from working.
I think swordsmen will have to either punch Buggy or use the flat side of the blade and smash him with it Kaido style to harm him.

That's not how it works man!

If you hit a DF user with haki you damage their physical body bypassing the DF defences.
e.g take Luffy for example if haki didn't damage his physical body like your thinking then he wouldn't have taken damage from Katakuri's punches or any other person who hits him with blunt force.

If Buggy gets cut by haki without him dodging out the way in time then he will get cut.
Swordsman just need to use haki to cut him, Buggy is immune to cuts but not haki, same goes for Luffy who is immune blunt force but not haki, every haki punch damages him.